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Re: Annual

Dusty
 

Coronado Scale Models received their Annuals a few days ago.

Dusty

explosives transport

James Bass
 

Hi,
I'm looking for someone who has access to the rules for transportation of explosives by rail.  

Sam Bass

Re: HOn3 Layout for sale

 

Brinton - Your price is too high for any resellers to make any money on.  With the aging out or upscaling to "S" and "O" of many older West Coast HOn3 modelers the local market of HOn3 models is in a state of collapse.  Your layout sections and scenery are essentially worthless if you remove the turntable for separate sale or use.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news; but I'm right in the middle of this situation and know of what I say.  IMHO your best bet is to give the layout away or salvage turnouts, DCC stuff for individual internet resale along with the locos and rolling stock.  Maybe some dealer will give you 30-50 cents on the dollar for a bulk shipment of like new Blackstone stuff.  Or your hobby for the next year or sometime in the future can be a part time stint of selling on eBay and learning how to package stuff for shipment.
Ed Weldon

Re: HOn3 Layout for sale

Climax@...
 

I don't care if you are talking about rare coins, rare stamps, Brass trains, collectible what ever, a buyer pays high prices to the dealers, is promised the moon, and when it comes time to sell the collection back to a dealer they want to only pay 20 to 30% of value and make a killing off reselling it to buyers again, sometimes with more profit than the original sale.  I have perhaps $80K "invested", paid for is more the going thought into Brass Locomotives and see the prices falling all the time.  I collected Canadian Coins for the last 65 years and have what I have been told one of the best collections of Canadian coins in the USA, missing only 5 since 1858, and was offered less than what i paid for them.  Heck of an invested $$350K and suppose to be part of a retirement fund. Stamps are even worse, except for the really rare stamps, dealers will offer you less than face value, so I use them on US Mail now days.  It just appears as though some dealers are waiting for that one stupid seller to dump their stuff and they can make enough to retire off one sale.  I don't want ot sound pessimistic but that's just the way it is today.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Sent: Dec 30, 2018 12:39 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] HOn3 Layout for sale

Brinton - Your price is too high for any resellers to make any money on.  With the aging out or upscaling to "S" and "O" of many older West Coast HOn3 modelers the local market of HOn3 models is in a state of collapse.  Your layout sections and scenery are essentially worthless if you remove the turntable for separate sale or use.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news; but I'm right in the middle of this situation and know of what I say.  IMHO your best bet is to give the layout away or salvage turnouts, DCC stuff for individual internet resale along with the locos and rolling stock.  Maybe some dealer will give you 30-50 cents on the dollar for a bulk shipment of like new Blackstone stuff.  Or your hobby for the next year or sometime in the future can be a part time stint of selling on eBay and learning how to package stuff for shipment.
Ed Weldon

F&CC Passenger Cars

Labo44
 

Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

asandrini
 

They come in brown and green to match the brown loco and the green loco.  If you are asking for specific matching colors, you would need to contact Andreas.

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Labo44 <labo@...>
Date: 12/30/18 7:38 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: explosives transport

Dale Buxton
 

In what time frame? This is probably the most important consideration for a modeler. The regulations for this sort of thing have changed considerably over the last 100 plus years. Constantly getting more and more stringent as human knowledge of explosives grows. In fact, the regs. for explosives go through minor tweaks every few years or so. But, for the current regulations (known as CFR's) for explosives. I would suggest you go to the Department of Transportation's web site for the Shipment of Dangerous Goods or Wiki it. Currently there are 6 explosives classes going from 1.1 to 1.6 and these are divided into 13 sub-classes going from A to S.  

In the last century dynamite was packed in wooden boxes and surrounded in sawdust in those boxes. What I don't know is if it was shipped in the security of an express car or a secured box car. In any case. The dynamite box would need to be blocked and braced to prevent movement while in shipment. The blasting caps were shipped in separate wooden box with individual compartments or cotton batting for the caps. These were shipped and stored in a separate location for obvious reasons.

But, in the old days there were no federal regulations on explosives shipment. Only safety precautions used by the manufacturers to mostly prevent civil liability should an accident occur. For example. Gun Cotton was discovered in England when a Vitriol factory was loading a barge with the barrels loaded with the glass jugs of vitriol packed in cotton batting. One of the glass jugs broke in the barrel and the cotton became soaked in the acid. The barrel was dropped from height while loading on to the barge and the resulting explosion erased the barge and factory from history and many lives were lost. A law suit ensued and new transport procedures for the vitriol were created and Gun Cotton was discovered.

Dale Buxton


On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 10:27 AM James Bass <tinticng2@...> wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for someone who has access to the rules for transportation of explosives by rail.  

Sam Bass

Re: explosives transport

duncan
 

Hi, Sam,

    Dale is exactly correct.  It depends on the time frame you are talking about.  Modern regulations are far different from ones a hundred Years, or more, ago.  The only thing I can add is that Bitter Creek is working on an HOn3  "Powder Car".  Hopefully it will be out in the next few months, but no schedule at this point.  The car was used on the Colorado Central, going up Clear Creek, in the late 1870's.  It was essentially a 24' box car, sheathed over with metal sheets.  It is the only narrow gauge explosives car I know of.  And I am guessing Dale has it right, that later on the explosives were shipped in regular box cars, with the precautions he identified.  One other note, in the very few pictures that exist of the car, it was in a freight train, at the head end, either right behind the engine, or one car back, or so.  Kind of interesting place to put such a car!

                                                    Duncan Harvey

Re: explosives transport

James Bass
 

Thanks guys.  I'm looking at the early part of the last century.  Probably sometime in the 1910-1930 time frame.  I'm fairly certain that shipments of explosives would have been made in regular box cars that had been lined with wood to cover any protruding metal hardware.  I'm just wondering what special signage and placement in the train would be required.  

BTW, I'm building one of Bitter Creek's early CP box cars to transport explosives on my narrow gauge layout.  

Back before the Feds became so paranoid about explosives, when I was in high school, we experimented with all kinds of explosives, gun cotton included.  Guess that's why I became a hardrock miner. 

Sam Bass

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

Mike Conder
 

If you're asking about the Florence & Cripple Creek passenger cars, I would guess that they were the typical dark red that was common in that time frame.  The red pax cars from Blackstone are probably the best color to use.

Mike Conder

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 12:13 PM asandrini <asandrini@...> wrote:
They come in brown and green to match the brown loco and the green loco.  If you are asking for specific matching colors, you would need to contact Andreas.

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Labo44 <labo@...>
Date: 12/30/18 7:38 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

asandrini
 

My bad, I read the question as wanting the circumstances if the F&C HOn30 passenger cars from Minitrains. 

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
Date: 12/30/18 2:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

If you're asking about the Florence & Cripple Creek passenger cars, I would guess that they were the typical dark red that was common in that time frame.  The red pax cars from Blackstone are probably the best color to use.

Mike Conder

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 12:13 PM asandrini <asandrini@...> wrote:
They come in brown and green to match the brown loco and the green loco.  If you are asking for specific matching colors, you would need to contact Andreas.

Al



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Labo44 <labo@...>
Date: 12/30/18 7:38 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

asandrini
 

My bad, I read the question as wanting the circumstances if the F&C HOn30 passenger cars from Minitrains. 

Al



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
Date: 12/30/18 2:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

If you're asking about the Florence & Cripple Creek passenger cars, I would guess that they were the typical dark red that was common in that time frame.  The red pax cars from Blackstone are probably the best color to use.

Mike Conder

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 12:13 PM asandrini <asandrini@...> wrote:
They come in brown and green to match the brown loco and the green loco.  If you are asking for specific matching colors, you would need to contact Andreas.

Al



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Labo44 <labo@...>
Date: 12/30/18 7:38 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [HOn3] F&CC Passenger Cars

Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: explosives transport

Dale Buxton
 

It would just say dynamite or blasting powder or nitro-gelatin in  about 3/8 to 1” stenciling. Very much more prominent would be the makers name like DuPont, Atlas or Hercules. By the late 30’s to early 40’s it would start saying somewhere on the box “Explosives Class A”

Dale

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 15:30 James Bass <tinticng2@...> wrote:
Thanks guys.  I'm looking at the early part of the last century.  Probably sometime in the 1910-1930 time frame.  I'm fairly certain that shipments of explosives would have been made in regular box cars that had been lined with wood to cover any protruding metal hardware.  I'm just wondering what special signage and placement in the train would be required.  

BTW, I'm building one of Bitter Creek's early CP box cars to transport explosives on my narrow gauge layout.  

Back before the Feds became so paranoid about explosives, when I was in high school, we experimented with all kinds of explosives, gun cotton included.  Guess that's why I became a hardrock miner. 

Sam Bass

Re: HOn3 Layout for sale

johnny graybeal
 

My suggestion would be to get a table at the NNGC in Sacramento next September and sell it below retail but better than wholesale.
Johnny Graybeal

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

Mike Conder
 

I thought the same, actually had to check if this was the HOn3 or HOn30 list .... 😏

Mike Conder


Re: explosives transport

Dale Buxton
 

Oh, there was probably a notice on the box car’s tack board. But, tack boards are small, only like 15X20 inches or so. Car Toad’s never wrote anything very wordy to put on the tack boards. So the cars manifest propbably was nothing fancy or printed unless the manufacturer provided it with the shipment. Which I really doubt they did 100 years ago.

Dale

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 16:47 Dale Buxton via Groups.Io <dbtuathaddana=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
It would just say dynamite or blasting powder or nitro-gelatin in  about 3/8 to 1” stenciling. Very much more prominent would be the makers name like DuPont, Atlas or Hercules. By the late 30’s to early 40’s it would start saying somewhere on the box “Explosives Class A”

Dale

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 15:30 James Bass <tinticng2@...> wrote:
Thanks guys.  I'm looking at the early part of the last century.  Probably sometime in the 1910-1930 time frame.  I'm fairly certain that shipments of explosives would have been made in regular box cars that had been lined with wood to cover any protruding metal hardware.  I'm just wondering what special signage and placement in the train would be required.  

BTW, I'm building one of Bitter Creek's early CP box cars to transport explosives on my narrow gauge layout.  

Back before the Feds became so paranoid about explosives, when I was in high school, we experimented with all kinds of explosives, gun cotton included.  Guess that's why I became a hardrock miner. 

Sam Bass

Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

Randy Hees
 

Based on examination of the car at the Nevada County Narrow Gauge Museum (F&CC to Nevada-California-Oregon) Body to Nevada State Railroad Museum, to NCNG Museum) the original color was "old Pullman" a brown, similar to UPS brown...   Pullman changed to the dark olive color today known as Pullman on Feb 22, 1900 (per Pullman book of standards, held by the Newberry Library)

This fits with their build date (1897)

Randy Hees


On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 10:31 AM Labo44 <labo@...> wrote:
Hello !
Does anyone know the exterior color of F&CC passenger cars ?
Thank You very much, sincerely, ~JES~

Re: explosives transport

Don Bergman
 

Sam,

Attached is such a sign I saw in an antique shop years ago.   I vary them a little for modeling purposes such as 2 cars  from Engine and Caboose.  A placard is placed on the car and the word EXPLOSIVES can still be read. IN addition  car card has an insert with the detailed rules.   Operators like it.  Adds a little to their job.

Don Bergman



Hi,
I'm looking for someone who has access to the rules for transportation of explosives by rail.  

Sam Bass
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Re: F&CC Passenger Cars

Mike Conder
 

Great info, thanks for the correction Randy.  I never thought that the cars were Pullman cars, and didn't know the date they changed to the green.

Mike Conder

For Sale: Digitrax Superchief DCC Starter Set, Brand New In The Box

Arnold Rubin
 

Digitrax Superchief DCC Starter Set with the following components:  DCS100 Command Station Booster; DT400 Throttle; UP5 Universal Panel;  LT-1 Loconet Cable & Decoder Tester; Superchief and Decoder Manuals. 

Still in original shipping carton as received from Tony's Train XChange a few years ago; never used.

Price: $350.00 + $10.00 shipping

If interested, please contact me directly: arnoldrubin@...

 

Arnold Rubin

Basking Ridge, NJ 07920

Area Code: 908