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Re: Peco HOn3 Flex Track

Don Peterson
 

I agree with Lloyd. I chose ME track & turnouts over Peco because I think they just look better but the turnouts are a little more delicate than the Peco (that's probably why they look better). I have installed them and soldered the joints only to find that I pulled the rail behind the frog out a little and left a gap. easily fixed but better BEFORE you solder them in.

Don Peterson

On Friday, July 5, 2019, 10:17:30 AM MDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


Peco has higher ties but they work just fine with each other. I find the ME t/o a little too sensitive to handling abuse while installing. The rails behind the frogs pulls out easily so be careful when adjusting the fit and alignment.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 9:03 AM <twilton@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

All -  As I am about to start my first layout I was wondering if anyone has any comments about Peco's HOn3 code 70 flex track and their #5 turnouts. As well, how do they mate up with Micro Engineering's track and turnouts?

Thanks in advance for any responses!

Ted Wilton

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lloyd lehrer

Re: Peco HOn3 Flex Track

lloyd lehrer
 

Peco has higher ties but they work just fine with each other. I find the ME t/o a little too sensitive to handling abuse while installing. The rails behind the frogs pulls out easily so be careful when adjusting the fit and alignment.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 9:03 AM <twilton@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

All -  As I am about to start my first layout I was wondering if anyone has any comments about Peco's HOn3 code 70 flex track and their #5 turnouts. As well, how do they mate up with Micro Engineering's track and turnouts?

Thanks in advance for any responses!

Ted Wilton


--
lloyd lehrer

Peco HOn3 Flex Track

twilton@...
 
Edited

All -  As I am about to start my first layout I was wondering if anyone has any comments about Peco's HOn3 code 70 flex track and their #5 turnouts. As well, how do they mate up with Micro Engineering's track and turnouts?

Thanks in advance for any responses!

Ted Wilton

Re: Gear Making

 

Mike - Thank you for the homeshopmachinist forum link.  Ed W

Finding Mike McClure

Darryl Huffman
 


Does anyone have contact information (email address) for Mike McClure who models the Wolf Creek Lines?

Darryl Huffman

darrylhuffman@...

Re: Gear Making

Mick Moignard
 

I needed some gears making recently.  I have several PSC/MSM brass models which were made with very soft brass worm gears driving a nylon-type plastic gear. The brass worm wears badly - though it took 18 years of operation on my C-21 to wear the worm out.  Locodoc says he has a solution for this issue but it requires gearbox modifications, and as I’m in the UK I just didn’t fancy sending gearboxes to him.  So I dug around here and found HPC Gears, hpcgears.com, who made some new worms for me, using my measurements and also the worn worm.  These are in steel. So far I’ve fitted two, the C-21 and a PSC/MSM K-27, and they're just fine. I’ve even had the C-21 apart again and minutely examined the spur gear, and there isn’t a mark on it, or on the new worm, so I feel that was totally successful.

Why am I writing this?  I too have been a longtime NWSL customer. They didn’t list the specific worm gear needed here, so I looked elsewhere and found that it’s not hard to get custom gears made, and made properly.  My only issue was the cost,  because I had just 10 made.  If I’d had 200 made, they’d have been a lot cheaper each, but then I’d have had the cost and hassle of marketing the 190 or so that I don’t need.  Bottom line really is that if you really need them, you can get them made.  

By The way, when I say expensive, I mean GBP 68 each, for the 10 I had done, but compare that to having to retire a $750 engine.

Mick

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Skype: mickmoignard

, so please excuse the typos.

Re: NWSL gear production

 

Bill - Thanks for a positive reply.  The forums devoted to tools and such simply are not interested in ideas.  They want to see actual hardware.  When I have hardware I'll show it off in those places if I think it will be of value to anyone.  That will probably be a few months after I am faced with a loco project I can't get gears for.  Meantime I've collected some of the pieces and involute cutters. ............ Nuff said for now.
Ed W

Re: NWSL gear production

Ray
 

I agree with Mark! 
Knock it off DAMMIT!

Gear Making

Mike Van Hove
 

Hi Folks,

In my past. I had some toolroom machines.

Thats all behind me now as I live in a retirement facility without room for machines.  Barely have room for a small HOn3 layout.  😩

I did recall having been a member of this  group:


They do some amazing work, you guys should check it out.  It may have some info on making gears.

Like the rest of you, I regret the end of NWSL, but I can sympathize with Dave and his reason for closing.

I also hope some angel will come along and buy the entire operation.

But check out the Home Shop Machinist, it’s very interesting.

Mike Van Hove

Re: NWSL gear production

 

I have a motive for talking about this here in this forum.  It is to raise awareness of the subject and maybe someone INTERESTED IN HON3 will get involved.  In the last 60 years dozens of beautiful brass HOn3 locomotive models have been produced with old tech motors and drive trains and performance ranging from worthless to almost as good as Blackstone.  And Blackstone? 2 D&RGW prototypes and a chance of a third. That's it.  And the only significant source of gears is going away and the other source of conversion kits will be hit hard by the unavailability of gears.
What do you want to do about it?   Sit there and cry?  Or maybe shrug and say "I have all the operational HOn3 locomotives I need and can always buy an HOn3 conversion of a mass produced HO diesel".
I'm at the point in my life where I am in no position to go into the business of making gears.  Will there be someone else that has an interest in HOn3?  Maybe that someone is here.  Or maybe that someone will buy NWSL's technology to make gears for drones or automating appliances in doll houses or who knows what?  Would they be willing to make a special run of 25 or 50 gears or worms for a remote HOn3 market?  Or would they simply stuff Dave's notes and sketches in a file cabinet an throw critical bits and pieces of tooling and fixtures into a scrap and rework box for future use.

If I had a pile of money for toys I'd make Dave R an offer for the gear and worm making "technology" with the idea of preserving it intact for whoever comes up with the ambition to go into production.  But that's just a dream.  Hell, in my small hillside house and shop I don't even have space to store the machines out of the rain.

So please give me a pass on my efforts.  It's all I can do by myself.
Ed Weldon

Re: NWSL gear production

Bill Lugg
 

FWIW, there is also the TAIGTOOLS group on Yahoo Groups that I'm a member of, but I'd be interested to hear what Ed's thinking in either forum.

Bill Lugg

On 7/3/19 6:30 PM, Brian Kopp wrote:
There is the repowerandregear group right here on groups.io

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: NWSL gear production

Brian Kopp
 

There is the repowerandregear group right here on groups.io

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: NWSL gear production

Alan Lautenslager <alan.lautenslager@...>
 

Hi Ed,
 Thinking perhaps your are tasking the wrong group for information on how gears are made and the machines required to do so. I would think there would be a group or two dedicated to machining. Maybe a search of tha face book groups would help you out.

Re: NWSL gear production

 

AAAAAAAARG!!!!  I want to talk about how to make gears. 
If some of you guys want to have an intergenerational reproductive organ metrology discussion please do it under a different subject line.
Ed W

Re: NWSL

Stop these emails. Thank you.
 

thank you


-----Original Message-----
From: alsands <alsands@...>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 2, 2019 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NWSL

Hey people, I asked this question to get some sensible answers not start a pissing contest. Cut it out, life is too short to get nasty.
Alan
Perth
Western Australia

Re: track cleaning car

Dale Buxton
 

Kevin,
I bought these new at the old Caboose Hobbies a bout a year before they closed. So 5 maybe 6 years ago i'm guessing. At the time they had just been released. I just checked Atlas and Trainworld. They are currently out of stock and production. They are doing a re-run of them in December if all goes well. 

The conversion was not too difficult. Mostly a lot of precise measurements had to be taken and adhered to. The wheels with the axles still on them first had to be pulled from the axle gears. The plastic sleeve on the axle gear had to shorted a tiny bit. I did that on my lathe. The axles on the wheels needed to be pushed in to a precise measurement. Seeing as how I was going to have to do this (8) times. I made a jig for that to use on my NWSL arbor press. The re-spaced wheels w/ axles went back in the axle gears and the gear boxes were reassembled. About (4) hours work on each diesel. Once I worked out the logistics it was pretty straight forward conversion. 

Dale

Re: Done

Mark Lewis
 

Dave:

NO..please don't be silent!  We all need to read and hear your knowledge and expertise of modeling in a constructive tone. That is what young modelers and older men like me, need to get better at and improve our craft in this hobby.

Looking forward to more of your positive insight and thoughts,

Mark Lewis






On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:21 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
If I have offended anyone I do apologize, been in this hobby way too long to give it up or insult anyone's work.  My original comment about the lack of industrial arts in our schools got way out of hand with one member, again I apologize.  I will keep my fingers still after this email.
David Barron

Done

Climax@...
 

If I have offended anyone I do apologize, been in this hobby way too long to give it up or insult anyone's work.  My original comment about the lack of industrial arts in our schools got way out of hand with one member, again I apologize.  I will keep my fingers still after this email.
David Barron

Re: NWSL gear production

Mark Lewis
 

Dave and Drew:

This "discussion" of yours is going no where and it is only making a negative impact on those of us unlucky enough to have read your posts jabbing at each other. This is supposed to be a online HOn3 group to further and assist each other as modelers, in our passion for our great hobby.  All the previous words on the "topic" have not accomplished that, at all.

Dave..I am MUCH closer to you in age (but not to your financial nor educational stature), than Drew, nor am I the accomplished modeler or statesman of our hobby that you are, but.....I am with Drew on this matter,.... as you should know better than to badger another member of this group with your self motivational diatribe of your accomplishments.  Your printed responses are exactly one of the reasons younger modelers don't want to associate with older modelers, such as you and me. You should be going out of your way to embrace them and guide them in this greatest of hobbies, not bully them and act pompous.  Drew might not have all the answers and certainly not the in depth experience you have to offer, but he is TRYING his best.

I'm done with this ridiculous exchange of B.S. I will be going over to the, at least 3 HOn3 specific FACEBOOK groups, that are full of accomplished modelers, willing to help young and old modelers, without all the drama seen here today. Maybe some of you that read this will move to the various HOn3 F.B.groups and enjoy modeling in HOn3, again.

Mark Lewis
HOn3, Sn3 and On30 modeling the D&RGW n.g., in N.C.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:30 PM Mark Rosche via Groups.Io <m_rosche=yahoo.de@groups.io> wrote:
I second that motion...

Regards,

Mark

Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....

On 3. Jul 2019, at 00:01, Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:

Do you guys suppose you could take this off list?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


On 7/2/19 3:55 PM, hiroechan wrote:
Dave,
The only thing worse then a boomer modeler with a bad attitude, is a
boomer modeler with a bad attitude and a massive ego.

You can write paragraph upon paragraph of just how accomplished you
are, and it won't mean a hill of beans about how much you've actually
accomplished in Promoting The Hobby. It's honestly kind of impressive,
that calling you out on your nasty attitude would make you so insecure
and threatened that you had to unzip your trousers. Unfortunately for
you, I'm not going to bother wasting my time listing my own
accomplishments, because 1) I'm not the asshole Whisperer, and 2) you
just aren't worth it.

What *is* worth it, though, is the joy of knowing that I'll outlive
you, and will continue to mentor those youngsters with kindness and
empathy. That someday you'll die and take your bad attitude with you,
and never again darken the hobby with your hate for anyone younger.

You can bluster and bullshit all you like, but your time is coming,
old man.

And you can try to pretend that this is all good-natured shit
stirring, but Mr Rogers would be ashamed of you, and of the way you've
acted here today.

I, for one, am not the least bit impressed with you.

-Drew

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 5:35 PM <Climax@...
<mailto:Climax@...>> wrote:

   Drew, to simplify things what I am saying is anyone who desires to
   succeed needs to be properly trained, have the skills, patience,
   and listen to others before venturing into any project.  It helps
   to have walked the path before and understand what it takes to get
   any project off the ground.  No, I am not in a stone throwing
   contest or D measuring contest, but I have a lot of drive and get
   bored easily.  As far as promoting the hobby. well I have served
   as a secretary of the SSR and am not the president, I have written
   articles, I do seminars at conventions on how to paint back drops
   to electronics, I have worked in I have no idea how many clubs
   showing people how to build things, wire things, put DCC into
   locomotives.  My latest convention was up in Chattanooga where I
   was part of a team that put on perhaps one of the most talked
   about seminars at that convention.  Can I ask you how many NMRA or
   NNGC's you have been to?
   Do I still have a VCR that blinks 12:00? hahahah  No not any more
   but I use to.  In fact I within the last year I finally let my
   flip phone go and got a "smarter than me phone" because I have so
   much going on. You can bust my chops anytime, because frankly I
   don't care. Notice I don't have to revert to language that seems
   inappropriate here to discuss anything.  I am not hateful toward
   anyone, but I do like it when someone asks for my advise on how
   thing are done as most of the time I can tell them, provide
   information on how to do it or look in my library and find the
   answer.  Just having a club or group is good, but you must grow,
   learn and have fun.  To do that, unless you are discriminating
   against old characters, you can get a whole lot of information out
   of us.  Tell us where you are, what you are modeling, what kind of
   equipment you have, what you are trying to do or build.  We might
   actually be able to help you, if you can stand the help of us old
   characters.

   --Dave

       -----Original Message-----
       From: hiroechan
       Sent: Jul 2, 2019 5:09 PM
       To: HOn3@groups.io <mailto:HOn3@groups.io>
       Subject: Re: [HOn3] NWSL gear production

       David,

       I wasn't aware it was a dick-measuring contest. Tell me, does
       your VCR still blink 12:00 on the front?

       You want to throw stones at other people, but heaven forbid
       anyone stand up and tell you how hateful you're being.

       You do not represent the best interests of promoting the hobby
       when you do that, and you should be fucking ashamed.

       For someone with supposed $3M in assets, you sure do have a
       lot of misery to spread around. I'm glad you're not local to me.

       --Drew




Re: NWSL

alsands@...
 

Hey people, I asked this question to get some sensible answers not start a pissing contest. Cut it out, life is too short to get nasty.
Alan
Perth
Western Australia