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EBT Blackstone trucks/C-19's

Risrwy@...
 

Just as reference, I put "Bullfrog Snot" on the rear set of drivers only. Thinned it out for "N" gauge use and went at it. Vastly improved tonnage ratings for the C-19's. Went from barely pulling itself up a 3% grade to hauling a four car train of LaBelle passenger cars up the same.
--
Paul Buhrke
Recreating the 14th. Subdivision
D&RGW Salida Division in 1929

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Excellent Dale. Yes I suddenly came out of my age induced stupor and realised what they were. I also suddenly remembered that my good friend Mike Conder had slipped me a set which I had forgotten until now. So all's well that end's well. I wonder though why they left the brakes off, any idea on that one?

Not sure about the wag of the tale but I know about the hair of the dog.... 'Nuff said.

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dale Buxton
 

How many here still know the wag of that tale?

Dale B

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:33 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
Mike all very well BUT do they bounce.....

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dale Buxton
 

Mark,

The trucks are one of the 6 new types of trucks that Kadee released last year. They are all scaled down versions of standard gauge trucks made of a high density injection molded plastic. The split down the center of the bolster and the funky screw holder allow them to be equalized. The standard gauge versions are some of the best tracking and free-rolling  trucks I have ever seen! 

I agree that the conversion is a little on the crude side. But it gets the point across.

I plan exactly what you suggested. I'll take them apart (I take everything new to me apart. Must be the Brit in me. LOL.) Then experiment with them and take pictures to share what I find out.

Until then,

Dale B


On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:30 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
Dale,

You're right. It is a Blackstone car  but the trucks! The trucks threw me as they are of extraterrestial origin. No brakes, arches are thicker and the mounting screws are interesting. For an advert the car is also looking a little battered with paint chips and one of the grabs half flattened against the wall. The saw cuts are as rough as a badgers butt and the whole thing appears to have been thrown together.

I hope when you get yours you will consider taking it apart so that we can know whether they can be used as direct and simple replacements for the Blackstone 714's.

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Dammit, for extraterrestial read KaDee trucks. Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Mike all very well BUT do they bounce.....

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Dale,

You're right. It is a Blackstone car  but the trucks! The trucks threw me as they are of extraterrestial origin. No brakes, arches are thicker and the mounting screws are interesting. For an advert the car is also looking a little battered with paint chips and one of the grabs half flattened against the wall. The saw cuts are as rough as a badgers butt and the whole thing appears to have been thrown together.

I hope when you get yours you will consider taking it apart so that we can know whether they can be used as direct and simple replacements for the Blackstone 714's.

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mike Conder
 

Travis Handshug (sp?) already had some and posted on one of the HOn3 Facebook lists.  Apparently, (1) they drop right into Blackstone cars, (2) they extend out a bit more than 714's, (3) they couple with 714's (no surprise there), (4) they have VERY small centering springs (he lost 3 out of 4), (5) they look a lot like miniaturized 58's, and (6) he hasn't tried them on Sergent Sharons yet.

Mike Conder

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 8:46 PM Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
When I first heard about the 705 I figured it would be the standard guage coupler with a short pin. This appears to be 1/32 shorter.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dusty
 

When I first heard about the 705 I figured it would be the standard guage coupler with a short pin. This appears to be 1/32 shorter.

Dusty Burman 

Kadee #705

Ric Case
 

Mark with 200 cars on the railroad it will be curious to see how much trouble will show up during operation sessions.
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Ric Case
 

Mark yes I ordered ten pair on Monday myself.

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Ric:

Kadee 705's are available now, from Kadee....I placed an order Friday, and they should be delivered in a couple of days. 

Mark Lewis 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:32 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I believe the best way to address this is when they become available I will need to purchase and install them on a few cars then mix them up and review the facts in real time.
Ric 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David;
I politely beg to differ.
The 714 box is not 20/64.  it is 5/32 + 15/64 = 25/64.  And it may be longer as the measurement seems to be on the contact surface rather than the face of the "buffer".  Whereas the 705 (242) box is measured to the face.
The shank on the 704 appears to be longer at 7/32 vs 3/16.  I couldn't tell if the 3/16 was from the center of the pivot or the front.
The thickness is the same, or so it seems.  However; The lid of the 714 is thicker than the box according to the drawing.  If the 704 box is all the same, then yes it will make the whole package a bit thicker.
I dug a little deeper and the 705 uses the #242 box.  Which the 705 page says is 23/64 x 15/64 x 7/64 in height.  On the 242 page the drawing says 7/16 x 5/16 x 1/8.  So who knows.

We need line drawings of the 705 so we can make a more accurate comparison.
TCC}

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:34 AM, David Keith wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.
--
Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Lewis
 

Ric:

Kadee 705's are available now, from Kadee....I placed an order Friday, and they should be delivered in a couple of days. 

Mark Lewis 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:32 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I believe the best way to address this is when they become available I will need to purchase and install them on a few cars then mix them up and review the facts in real time.
Ric 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David;
I politely beg to differ.
The 714 box is not 20/64.  it is 5/32 + 15/64 = 25/64.  And it may be longer as the measurement seems to be on the contact surface rather than the face of the "buffer".  Whereas the 705 (242) box is measured to the face.
The shank on the 704 appears to be longer at 7/32 vs 3/16.  I couldn't tell if the 3/16 was from the center of the pivot or the front.
The thickness is the same, or so it seems.  However; The lid of the 714 is thicker than the box according to the drawing.  If the 704 box is all the same, then yes it will make the whole package a bit thicker.
I dug a little deeper and the 705 uses the #242 box.  Which the 705 page says is 23/64 x 15/64 x 7/64 in height.  On the 242 page the drawing says 7/16 x 5/16 x 1/8.  So who knows.

We need line drawings of the 705 so we can make a more accurate comparison.
TCC}

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:34 AM, David Keith wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.
--
Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Ric Case
 

I believe the best way to address this is when they become available I will need to purchase and install them on a few cars then mix them up and review the facts in real time.
Ric 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David;
I politely beg to differ.
The 714 box is not 20/64.  it is 5/32 + 15/64 = 25/64.  And it may be longer as the measurement seems to be on the contact surface rather than the face of the "buffer".  Whereas the 705 (242) box is measured to the face.
The shank on the 704 appears to be longer at 7/32 vs 3/16.  I couldn't tell if the 3/16 was from the center of the pivot or the front.
The thickness is the same, or so it seems.  However; The lid of the 714 is thicker than the box according to the drawing.  If the 704 box is all the same, then yes it will make the whole package a bit thicker.
I dug a little deeper and the 705 uses the #242 box.  Which the 705 page says is 23/64 x 15/64 x 7/64 in height.  On the 242 page the drawing says 7/16 x 5/16 x 1/8.  So who knows.

We need line drawings of the 705 so we can make a more accurate comparison.
TCC}

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:34 AM, David Keith wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.
--
Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest

Re: EBT Blackstone trucks

Ric Case
 

Bruce Ihave ten pair, Ian pleased with the looks but using them cut my train length by 1 to 2 cars depending on the caboose on the tail end. I am running black stone C-19s for road power ! My normal train length is 10 cars. I can easily do 12or more with BS trucks or cars.
I was really disappointed that BS had such a poor experience with the hopper cars. I purchased 70. And that really really hurt the pocket book!
I spoke many times to Nancy about the possibility of building
a series of EBT locomotives.
Her thoughts are hoppers took too long to sell , so-loco were not going to be built!
Same thing for the additional hopper cars or trucks
I think the manufacturing community is only building stuff for the western railroads .
The invention of the 3 d printers has been a great way to get cars for the eastern railroads.
Ric

Sent from my 📱 ywoj
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:

What about new Kadee #726 Vulcan trucks? Saw in Gazette.
Bruce Dunlevy
On Jul 16, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Gents I am custom printing a full series of 2 bay hopper cars for the EBT. Unfortunately I used all of the trucks purchased from Black stone.
I am putting out a feeler to see if anyone might have some for sale!
The hopper cars are available through the friends of the EBT co. Store. But trucks are not available At any of the hobby shops near me! Thus the request.
Thanks in advance
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694




Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

claneon30
 

Blackstone said they expect to have the 2nd run Reefers in the warehouse by the end of August.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Jul 16, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

To All:

Are we to assume that since the only comments on the original post topic, have been about the new Kadee #705 couplers, that there was no other HOn3 specific news from the train Show?

Did Blackstone or Soundtraxx have a booth and if so, was there any HOn3 information from them? 
Were there any new HOn3 specific structures on display?

Mark Lewis
N.G. modeling in N.C.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:18 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
I saw that dimensional discrepency too. l just ordered some and will pass on the actual dimension when I find out what is later this week or next. The Kadee photo of the underside of a D&RGW boxcar is of Blackstone car. It has a dirty gray underframe and the Blackstone style coupler lift bar mounting points.

Dale Buxton









On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:34 AM David Keith <dckeith14@...> wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.

Take your own look at:
https://www.kadee.com/all-products-c-81/705-assembled-metal-couplers-p-2035.htm
https://www.kadee.com/hon3-scale-couplers-c-272_224_225/714-plastic-coupler-black-p-433.htm

Dave K.

 
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Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 
Edited

David;
I politely beg to differ.
The 714 box is not 20/64.  it is 5/32 + 15/64 = 25/64.  And it may be longer as the measurement seems to be on the contact surface rather than the face of the "buffer".  Whereas the 705 (242) box is measured to the face.
The shank on the 704 appears to be longer at 7/32 vs 3/16.  I couldn't tell if the 3/16 was from the center of the pivot or the front.
The thickness is the same, or so it seems.  However; The lid of the 714 is thicker than the box according to the drawing.  If the 704 box is all the same, then yes it will make the whole package a bit thicker.
I dug a little deeper and the 705 uses the #242 box.  Which the 705 page says is 23/64 x 15/64 x 7/64 in height.  On the 242 page the drawing says 7/16 x 5/16 x 1/8.  So who knows.

We need line drawings of the 705 so we can make a more accurate comparison.
TCC}


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:34 AM, David Keith wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.
--
Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
group_list@...

Re: EBT Blackstone trucks

 

What about new Kadee #726 Vulcan trucks? Saw in Gazette.
Bruce Dunlevy

On Jul 16, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Gents I am custom printing a full series of 2 bay hopper cars for the EBT. Unfortunately I used all of the trucks purchased from Black stone.
I am putting out a feeler to see if anyone might have some for sale!
The hopper cars are available through the friends of the EBT co. Store. But trucks are not available At any of the hobby shops near me! Thus the request.
Thanks in advance
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694


Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Craig Linn
 

Hi Guys. 

I asked the crew at MRH to ask about the K-36 and K-28 project. Below is the response from that post. 

 ========

I got the distinct feeling that the guys (their names will remain hidden to protect.... someone) at the show were tired of hearing questions on the K-36/28 projects. 

The answer was, and I quote, "Tell them to email nw@...

"nw" is Nancy Workman, aka "the boss." 

There you have it. 

Jeff Shultz
MRH Technical Assistant

  ===========

Not meaning to start any flame wars or this topic...just passing on info. 

Craig

On Jul 16, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bill.

Mark Lewis 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:08 PM Bill Miller via Groups.Io <ebteng18=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The only thing I saw was the 2nd run of the Blackstone 30 foot reefers (newly corrected) was about to hit stores.

 Bill Miller


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To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

To All:

Are we to assume that since the only comments on the original post topic, have been about the new Kadee #705 couplers, that there was no other HOn3 specific news from the train Show?

Did Blackstone or Soundtraxx have a booth and if so, was there any HOn3 information from them?
Were there any new HOn3 specific structures on display?

Mark Lewis
N.G. modeling in N.C.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:18 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
I saw that dimensional discrepency too. l just ordered some and will pass on the actual dimension when I find out what is later this week or next. The Kadee photo of the underside of a D&RGW boxcar is of Blackstone car. It has a dirty gray underframe and the Blackstone style coupler lift bar mounting points.

Dale Buxton









On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:34 AM David Keith <dckeith14@...> wrote:
Comparing the dimensions it looks like the 705 box is the same width, but slightly longer (23/64 rather than 20/64).  However, the drawings are not identical, so they may not be the same measurement.  The 705 coupler box is rectangular, it does not have the tapers at the back.   The thickness of the 705 is 1/64" thinner than the 714.

Take your own look at:
https://www.kadee.com/all-products-c-81/705-assembled-metal-couplers-p-2035.htm
https://www.kadee.com/hon3-scale-couplers-c-272_224_225/714-plastic-coupler-black-p-433.htm

Dave K.

 
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Re: EBT Blackstone trucks

Ric Case
 

Some to mount

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 16, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Bruce <in2trains@...> wrote:

Ric,

Are you looking to print a similar truck using them as a guide, or just want some to go with the printed cars?

Bruce Bowie

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:35 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Gents I am custom printing a full series of 2 bay hopper cars for the EBT. Unfortunately I used all of the trucks purchased from Black stone.
I am putting out a feeler to see if anyone might have some for sale!
The hopper cars are available through the friends of the EBT co. Store. But trucks are not available At any of the hobby shops near me! Thus the request.
Thanks in advance
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694



Re: EBT Blackstone trucks

Bruce
 

Ric,

Are you looking to print a similar truck using them as a guide, or just want some to go with the printed cars?

Bruce Bowie

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:35 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Gents I am custom printing a full series of 2 bay hopper cars for the EBT. Unfortunately I used all of the trucks purchased from Black stone.
I am putting out a feeler to see if anyone might have some for sale!
The hopper cars are available through the friends of the EBT co. Store. But trucks are not available At any of the hobby shops near me! Thus the request.
Thanks in advance
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694