Date   
HOn3 Locomotive and rolling stock for sale revised list 14

Brinton Jones
 

                                                     

                             ALL BLACKSTONE ARE IN ORIGINAL BOXES

BLACKSTONE LOCOMOTIVE

D&RGW NO 462 K27 2-8-2 Royal Gorge herald green boiler P.N. B310105-S $350.00 Plus shipping

 loco has about two hours run time.

Most Blackstone cars are new never run

30’ BOX CARS

D&RGW 30’ Box car Flying Grande herald NO 3468 P.N. B34018 ORANGE CAR SILVER TOP $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ REEFERS

D&RGW 30’ Reefer Royal Gorge Rout herald NO 43 P.N. 340808 $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ FLAT CAR

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6057 P.N.340310W  $35.00 Plus shipping

UNBUILT KITS

PRECISION SCALE D&RGW 30’ REEFER Plastic kit w brass trucks $20.00 Plus shipping

GRANDT LINE D&RGW 30’ Flat car Hon3 KIT #5186 $20.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #357Coaling Station $45.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #404 Quincy Traveling crane $20.00 Plus shipping

PHOTOS ON REQUEST

NO PAYPAL

Check or USPS Money Order only

BRINTON JONES    

bmrjones@...

30993 HUNTWOOD AVE # 206

HAYWARD CA 94544-7000

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Dusty
 

This FEPA vs ANSI thing explains why my '600' (FEPA) seemed more course than my ANSI 500. DUH.

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Jeff Young
 

Also thanks to everyone's contributions I realized the sand paper I thought was US 800 was German P800 and in fact more like ANSI 400 or 500. Now I will review all of my sand paper.
The ANSI and FEPA grades track well enough at lower grits that I never realised they diverged so much higher up. I also need to re-sort my paper….

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Robert Bell
 

True grit!

Rob Bell
Waynesville Area Rail Roaders 

Re: HOW MUCH?

Mike Conder
 

... and Chris did it quite well.

Mike Conder

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:14 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
The how, the how much and the who to doesn’t matter. What does matter is making a plan. If we have this much discussion on all the ways to dispose of you stuff, imagine sticking you loved ones with it, after your gone while trying to deal with your loss. I feel strongly about this one and addressed it 2 years ago. If you missed it:


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:59 AM, Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf@...> wrote:

The narrow gauge model community by its nature is rather small and close knit, as a result models do seem to change hands within that circle rather than the general market place. The limited production of narrow gauge models and smaller market for them often placed a premium price on those models. When a model changed hands it often occurred privately from one modeler to another. With the advent of the internet, eBay, an ageing demographic the way models change hands and their prices reflect the middle man i.e. dealer becoming involved in the process. I agree with Dusty I would rather sell a model to a modeler rather than a dealer. Thanks for reading and YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:


Concerning the 50% value. I'd rather sell to (non hoarder, non resaler) modelers at 50% than a dealer who already made 40% on the initial sale. Perhaps sell to modelers who could/would actually use the stuff. I'm a meat headed idealist, huh?

Dusty Burman 

Broad Top Mountain Models HO EBT Machine Shop kit update

NarrowMinded1
 

With the February 14th announcement that the East Broad Top Railroad has been purchased and will be restored to its former glory we figure now is a good time to announce that our HO scale East Broad Top Machine Shop laser cut kit is almost ready to start shipping by the end of the month/early next month. If you would like to order one please message us or e-mail us at <info@...>. The price is $240 for the full scale size kit and the kit features all laser cut wood flooring, framing, exterior walls and battens, doors and windows, roof trusses, and sub roof; it even includes the crapper! It also includes the "metal" roofing material as well as the 3D printed tank! The kit is of the Machine Shop ONLY; the Boiler House and Car Shop will be released as separate kits next. Track, locos, cars, interior detail parts, paint, and tools to complete the kit are NOT included. The design and laser cutting were completed by Banta Modelworks. The next kits in the series to be announced are the boiler house and car shops. For details, and pictures, please visit <http://broadtopmountainmodels.com/product-gallery.html>.
--
Nathan Kline
www.nateslightIronhobbies.com
www.broadtopmountainmodels.com

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Dusty
 

You may wonder what possessed me to hunt down an emery to sand paper mapping document. I confess it was pure greed. 10 sheets of 3/0 emery paper for $1 US at a Jewelry supply store closing.

Anyone have a clue concerning the application for emery paper vs sand paper?

Right now I'll try it for cleaning rail and PC ties to prep for soldering.

Also thanks to everyone's contributions I realized the sand paper I thought was US 800 was German P800 and in fact more like ANSI 400 or 500. Now I will review all of my sand paper.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Mike Conder
 

Definition of FEPA:

Definitions: FEPA (Fédération Européenne des Fabricants de Produits Abrasifs) Federation of European Producers of Abrasives. ... The grit sizes are defined by the number of lines per inch (25.4 mm) length of each sieve e.g. 150 lines per inch.

Mike Conder

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:49 PM Seb J <sebastien.jubault@...> wrote:
Hi,

Didn’t know it was named FEPA but yes here (France) it it like this, P40 P60 and so on.

Sebastien

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 19:26, Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> a écrit :
Dusty,
I had no idea there were that many different ratings for grit size.
I’m guessing the American standard would be the ANSI ?

Not sure what FEPA is, maybe Euro ?

These two are close, but not exactly the same.

Guess I will have to dig out my Sandpaper Stash, and see what I have.

I saved this as a PDF and will see how my stuff compares.

And, remember what George Carlin said: “My stuff is Stuff, your Stuff is Crap!”

Thanks,
Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Mike Conder
 

Must have been rough to find it ....

Thanks!

Mike Conder

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:23 AM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dusty,

I’m amazed at your ability to get to the nitty gritty of any subject!

Lee


On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.
<Grade Comparison.pdf>

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Mike Van Hove
 

Thanks for your reply.

Mike

On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Seb J <sebastien.jubault@...> wrote:

Hi,

Didn’t know it was named FEPA but yes here (France) it it like this, P40 P60 and so on.

Sebastien

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 19:26, Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> a écrit :
Dusty,
I had no idea there were that many different ratings for grit size.
I’m guessing the American standard would be the ANSI ?

Not sure what FEPA is, maybe Euro ?

These two are close, but not exactly the same.

Guess I will have to dig out my Sandpaper Stash, and see what I have.

I saved this as a PDF and will see how my stuff compares.

And, remember what George Carlin said: “My stuff is Stuff, your Stuff is Crap!”

Thanks,
Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.



--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: HOW MUCH?

Lawrence Wisniewski
 

Here's my two cents worth regarding this increasingly annoying debate.  Six years ago, I was about as close to an ugly death as anyone would ever be.  I managed to survive in spite of medical expectations and now belong to the less than 20% of those who were given my diagnosis and are still alive after 5 years.  The treatment I was given has left me with a body that is in a weird downward metabolic spiral that is going to end God knows when, where, and how.  Since it's not likely to be something I will want to endure, I've drawn my line in the sand and that's that.

Through the benevolence of Providence, or perhaps just plain good luck, I still have the capacity to pursue my love of narrow gauge modeling.   Any other plans or dreams of what I could do with my retirement time and nest egg ended with my diagnosis and it's consequences.  I realized that it was finally ok to spend my life savings giving myself  much of the enjoyment that I had previously deferred for the sake of our culture's illusions about old age, and also for the benefit of those I had committed to care for financially.  Neither of these objectives turned out in the end to be worth much.  However, I did discover that the absence of ravenous relatives and other lower life forms watching me slide into near oblivion physically (I was left to fend for myself), brought with it a wonderful sense of peace and freedom from the short comings of those who were once (too) close to me.   Model railroading as many hours a day as I can manage gives me needed physical therapy for retention of what's left of my fine motor skills, and the mental stimulation needed to hold back the usual demons of old age.  As long as I can go to sleep thinking about finishing this or that project, and as long as I can leave a bit of paint under my finger nails, I will remain who I am.  

There are certainly reputable dealers out there and Ebay has provided me access to models and the paraphernalia of good modeling that two decades ago I would have had absolutely no access to.  I've watched the endless cycles of pricing and availability of all things model railroading come and go, and always they conform to the economic laws that govern our material existence overall.  I learned along time ago that when I walked into a hobby shop,  I did so with motives that were nothing compared to the survival needs of the person on the other side of the counter.  Some of you folks seem to feel that a cash offer of 50% for your toys is an insult.  If it is, it's not necessarily a greedy speculator at work and in any case, typically not meant to be insulting.  Consider the overhead that Dan in Florida or Fred in Pasadena has to contend with just to make your experience of buying and selling even possible in the kind of economy we exist in.  In case you haven't noticed, capitalism does not possess much of a conscience.  We all have to pay the piper, fair or not.  I've  seen model gathering dust on dealers' shelves sometimes for years.  That is a very high stakes gamble when it comes to small business capital.  The dealer needs and deserves some degree of insurance when it comes to swings in the economy and other lethal threats to business survival.  Most charge what they have to and not what they would like to.

I check Ebay each day for goodies and have been able to gather a good collection of Sn3 and HOn3 brass items that please me.  I've even bought some models especially to admire the workmanship displayed and for no other reason.  I'll grab bargains when I can and have never been tempted into the speculation game.  The behavior of a few vendors that grossly over price brass is usually met with slow or nonexistent sales.  These folks may be behaving badly, but what is unusual about that in human affairs?  The worst thing about estate liquidators is thier inability to read box labels and their musical chairs treatment of the engine/tender relationship.  Some times these folks will respond positively to polite e-mails advising them of which tender belong to which engine.  Try it some time.  They also like to preface all offerings with the cry of "rare" but then we live in America, don't we?   One must advertise, even if it's all baloney.  As far as describing estate liquidators as some sort of bottom feeder goes,  there are plenty of marriages marred by discord over how money is spent, and that certainly includes my own.  A model railroader's spouse may resent the hobby, feeling that the recently departed had neglected them in favor of some "toys".  I wouldn't be suprised to find that a not uncommon cause of brass mortality is being hurled into the wall by a resentful newly widowed spouse.  Under those circumstances, the recently departed persons treasures can easily wind up in shifty hands.  I am much more concerned about behaviors like those of the late Jordan, who apparently insisted his die work be destroyed and not sold upon his death.  We all lost big time with that one.

Finally, some of the comments given seem to suggest that the brass owner is besieged by predatory carrion eaters lusting after the collection.  Maybe so, but can anyone really say exactly what someone else's motivation is without risking a Freudian disclosure about the state of his own inner thoughts?  It seems like throwing stereotypes around has come to replace thoughtful observation more and more these days.  I have found that most people have no real appreciation for the art of brass unless they have tried their hand at metal working hobbies of some sort.  The excellent paint work we here all love often does an excellent job at hiding the brilliance and skill of the model maker.  I wonder how many brass models wind up as paper weights or door stops simply because an uninformed relative got a hold of them.  Some times this lack of public appreciation hurts our feelings, but it does offer a possible reason why folks following their commercial instincts hit us the wrong way.   They just don't see our emotional investment and fail to tread lightly.

Does any of us really believe that on our deathbed our last thoughts will turn to our beloved model railroad stuff?   I was close to death from massive red cell destruction four times and not once did I think of anything inanimate.  I wonder if you folks have considered what the impact of your fears may be having on young people reading your posts trying to find out whether model railroading is a hobby they might want to pursue.  Are you encouraging and enlightening them with your views on the character of those who have to try and facilitate a hobby that they have no real knowledge of?  I'm not a stranger to Ebay hassles and failures, but I don't find them particularly hazardous or difficult to defuse either.  Like any commercial exchange system, highwaymen lurk in the shadows.  Just stay away from  shadows and you will do all right.  Caveat emptor applies to all aspects of life.



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hu <player4656@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 11:12 am
Subject: Re: [HOn3] HOW MUCH?

I have a shay that took me five years to finally get in my possession. It was very expensive upon completion but it's a custom job. Full interior including window glass and engineer. NCE ready with sound etc. Fully painted and weathered. And it runs excellent!
Now when I say expensive I mean it was around 2K. So should I just give it away because so of you would think me "greedy"?
To that I say hell no! I'll never build the layout this was intended for. I will put it on Ebay and sell it off eventually.
Seems to me that greed runs two ways. Trying to get something cheap is also greedy.
People are free to sell for what ever they can get. You are also free not to buy it. That's how a market works.

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Seb J
 

Hi,

Didn’t know it was named FEPA but yes here (France) it it like this, P40 P60 and so on.

Sebastien

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 19:26, Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> a écrit :
Dusty,
I had no idea there were that many different ratings for grit size.
I’m guessing the American standard would be the ANSI ?

Not sure what FEPA is, maybe Euro ?

These two are close, but not exactly the same.

Guess I will have to dig out my Sandpaper Stash, and see what I have.

I saved this as a PDF and will see how my stuff compares.

And, remember what George Carlin said: “My stuff is Stuff, your Stuff is Crap!”

Thanks,
Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: HOW MUCH?

Dale Buxton
 

Bob,

A custom built or rebuilt model is a far cry from a production built model that is one of 4000. Your Shay model probably is closer to a work of art. In as much as the world repeatedly keeps showing us,  that art and it's value are truly defined by the eye of the beholder. So the beholder will decide if it is a thing of beauty and desirable or not. And finally if the asking price is acceptable or not. Everything in your post leads me to believe that you are simply a guy that feels he is entitled to a fair price for his model when the time comes to part with it. Don't we all!

Do I feel that people that always expect to get something for less than fair market value are greedy. You bet I do!

My post on the greed and ignorance thing on Ebay was to point out the predatory nature of far too many of these Estate Liquidators that have popped up with the advent of Ebay. Many of them do not know a dam thing about model trains and don't ever care to. But they found out that brass models can be high ticket items. So every one of them is worth a pile of gold while it is in their hands. Many of them take advantage of the widows of families trying to dispose of their spouses and fathers collections. Using their own ignorance of the items true value against them.  A recent one of these estate liquidators posted several White Pass, EBT and D&RGW models he got from an estate. He sold several them with the wrong boxes and or wrong tenders. He clearly didn't know and didn't care. But he had no problem pricing them as high as market would bear!

I for one am just happy that I was able purchase the models I wanted when the prices were far, far more reasonable and not so drastically inflationary.

Dale B.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:12 AM Bob Hu <player4656@...> wrote:
I have a shay that took me five years to finally get in my possession. It was very expensive upon completion but it's a custom job. Full interior including window glass and engineer. NCE ready with sound etc. Fully painted and weathered. And it runs excellent!
Now when I say expensive I mean it was around 2K. So should I just give it away because so of you would think me "greedy"?
To that I say hell no! I'll never build the layout this was intended for. I will put it on Ebay and sell it off eventually.
Seems to me that greed runs two ways. Trying to get something cheap is also greedy.
People are free to sell for what ever they can get. You are also free not to buy it. That's how a market works.

PSC tank car kits

Robert Bell
 

All,
I have a couple of Precision Scale's narrow frame tank car kits and recently acquired a PSC standard gauge frameless tank car kit.  My question is this:

Is there any difference between the standard gauge frameless kit and the narrow gauge frameless kit other than the NG kit comes with trucks?  Do you know for sure?

Thanks!  

Rob Bell
Waynesville, NC

Re: HOW MUCH?

Ric Case
 

Bob Idont believe anyone expects you to give things away! I am in the middle of removing a collection of stuff from a friend’s basement and selling it for his widow.
We are separating the house from a life time of collected railroad items. 
It just the best way too help your spouse is to dispose of everything that you don’t need to keep your railroads operating. 
I am sorting my collection of items to give and or sell to other operators! 
Modeling the EBT I have a smaller body of people looking for the items I have to offer. 
I plan to try to have most assigned to individuals before I am ready to pass!
Just my thoughts!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Bob Hu <player4656@...> wrote:

 I have a shay that took me five years to finally get in my possession. It was very expensive upon completion but it's a custom job. Full interior including window glass and engineer. NCE ready with sound etc. Fully painted and weathered. And it runs excellent!
Now when I say expensive I mean it was around 2K. So should I just give it away because so of you would think me "greedy"?
To that I say hell no! I'll never build the layout this was intended for. I will put it on Ebay and sell it off eventually.
Seems to me that greed runs two ways. Trying to get something cheap is also greedy.
People are free to sell for what ever they can get. You are also free not to buy it. That's how a market works.

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Mike Van Hove
 

Dusty,
I had no idea there were that many different ratings for grit size.
I’m guessing the American standard would be the ANSI ?

Not sure what FEPA is, maybe Euro ?

These two are close, but not exactly the same.

Guess I will have to dig out my Sandpaper Stash, and see what I have.

I saved this as a PDF and will see how my stuff compares.

And, remember what George Carlin said: “My stuff is Stuff, your Stuff is Crap!”

Thanks,
Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.

Re: Another Abrasive Post

Lee Gustafson
 

Dusty,

I’m amazed at your ability to get to the nitty gritty of any subject!

Lee


On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.
<Grade Comparison.pdf>

Another Abrasive Post

Dusty
 

Just in case you ever wondered what the sand paper grit equivalent for emery paper is. Or microns or any other imaginable abrasive classification grade.

Re: HOW MUCH?

claneon30
 

The how, the how much and the who to doesn’t matter. What does matter is making a plan. If we have this much discussion on all the ways to dispose of you stuff, imagine sticking you loved ones with it, after your gone while trying to deal with your loss. I feel strongly about this one and addressed it 2 years ago. If you missed it:


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:59 AM, Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf@...> wrote:

The narrow gauge model community by its nature is rather small and close knit, as a result models do seem to change hands within that circle rather than the general market place. The limited production of narrow gauge models and smaller market for them often placed a premium price on those models. When a model changed hands it often occurred privately from one modeler to another. With the advent of the internet, eBay, an ageing demographic the way models change hands and their prices reflect the middle man i.e. dealer becoming involved in the process. I agree with Dusty I would rather sell a model to a modeler rather than a dealer. Thanks for reading and YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:


Concerning the 50% value. I'd rather sell to (non hoarder, non resaler) modelers at 50% than a dealer who already made 40% on the initial sale. Perhaps sell to modelers who could/would actually use the stuff. I'm a meat headed idealist, huh?

Dusty Burman 

Re: HOW MUCH?

Bob Hu
 

I have a shay that took me five years to finally get in my possession. It was very expensive upon completion but it's a custom job. Full interior including window glass and engineer. NCE ready with sound etc. Fully painted and weathered. And it runs excellent!
Now when I say expensive I mean it was around 2K. So should I just give it away because so of you would think me "greedy"?
To that I say hell no! I'll never build the layout this was intended for. I will put it on Ebay and sell it off eventually.
Seems to me that greed runs two ways. Trying to get something cheap is also greedy.
People are free to sell for what ever they can get. You are also free not to buy it. That's how a market works.