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Re: decal printing

lloyd lehrer
 

Thanks, didnt know about that.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:03 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Hi LLoyd, hope you are doing well and staying safe.

Microscale also makes a product called "Liquid Decal Film" that is a brush on product recommended for strengthening old decals before you use them.

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


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lloyd lehrer


Re: decal printing

Brian Kopp
 

Hi LLoyd, hope you are doing well and staying safe.

Microscale also makes a product called "Liquid Decal Film" that is a brush on product recommended for strengthening old decals before you use them.

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: decal printing

lloyd lehrer
 

Lasers use powder and are heat fused onto the paper surface. If the decals are from old stock, I always spray it twice with a clear fixative spray (dull coat or testor's or big spray can of mat clear spray to help hold the cracked pieces together for the soak and transfer.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 5:46 AM <Climax@...> wrote:
What keeps the lazer ink from running when you soak it in water to free the decal film?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "kevin b via groups.io"
Sent: Jul 12, 2020 8:11 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] conoco tank cars


Hi Kevin,
The short answer is yes if you don't need to print white lettering or real high resolution. A color (or black only) laser printer can take decal paper and print on it like any other paper.

thank you Brian for the reply.

ok, so, OF COURSE I do not have a laser printer.
and, you guessed it, I want the lettering in White.

ok, now for me to discuss this all with a friend of mine who is a computer guy.
 (I am not)
once I run this all past him and see if he thinks we can get  white ink and decal paper, dry transfer paper maybe? and so on, we'll give it a shot on an inkjet and i'll let you know how it goes.
(it will most likely be a while)
thanks again.
Kevin.






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lloyd lehrer


Re: conoco tank cars

Mick Moignard
 

 Dave

Varnish it after printing...

Mick

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Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

Laser printer ink is not water soluble (unlike most inkjet ink). In fact it's mostly plastic powder (with a couple of market exceptions). Once its "baked" onto the decal paper by the laser printer its good to go.

In fact they make waterproof laser printer paper that works with your regular laser printer too!

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: conoco tank cars

Climax@...
 

What keeps the lazer ink from running when you soak it in water to free the decal film?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "kevin b via groups.io"
Sent: Jul 12, 2020 8:11 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] conoco tank cars


Hi Kevin,
The short answer is yes if you don't need to print white lettering or real high resolution. A color (or black only) laser printer can take decal paper and print on it like any other paper.

thank you Brian for the reply.

ok, so, OF COURSE I do not have a laser printer.
and, you guessed it, I want the lettering in White.

ok, now for me to discuss this all with a friend of mine who is a computer guy.
 (I am not)
once I run this all past him and see if he thinks we can get  white ink and decal paper, dry transfer paper maybe? and so on, we'll give it a shot on an inkjet and i'll let you know how it goes.
(it will most likely be a while)
thanks again.
Kevin.






Re: conoco tank cars

kevin b
 


Hi Kevin,
The short answer is yes if you don't need to print white lettering or real high resolution. A color (or black only) laser printer can take decal paper and print on it like any other paper.

thank you Brian for the reply.

ok, so, OF COURSE I do not have a laser printer.
and, you guessed it, I want the lettering in White.

ok, now for me to discuss this all with a friend of mine who is a computer guy.
 (I am not)
once I run this all past him and see if he thinks we can get  white ink and decal paper, dry transfer paper maybe? and so on, we'll give it a shot on an inkjet and i'll let you know how it goes.
(it will most likely be a while)
thanks again.
Kevin.






Re: Blackstone C19 paint colors

Climax@...
 

You will never comnpletely match the paint.  If your going to do that much modification and paint you migh as well do a complete repaint on the modified boiler.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Pierson
Sent: Jul 11, 2020 10:56 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Blackstone C19 paint colors

Hi, all,

I have an unlettered Blackstone C19 that came with a deep green boiler and silvered smokebox.  I plan to extend the smokebox so can anyone recommend a hobby paint that is a good match for the existing smokebox paint?  Likewise can anyone recommend a hobby paint match for the deep green of the boiler?

Thanks,

George Pierson


Re: conoco tank cars

Dale Buxton
 

The trucks under the "Wide Frame" CONOCO cars came from the by then defunct Ingoldsby dump bottom gons. These were 4' 8" arch bar trucks. Hobby lore has it that this just happened to be the truck that  Kadee patterned their HOn3 4' 8" trucks after. 

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:26 PM Don Bergman <DBRenegade@...> wrote:
Bob V. asked....

Have any of you modeled the CONOCO tanks using the MDC "old timer" 30 foot models? Not a perfection type thing but a reasonable representation? Grandts volume iv has some nice photos and a drawing of the wide frame type. What type trucks were they ?
 

Yes, I have several in a string of tank cars and although those familiar with them will note a slight difference most visitors see them the same as a Blackstone!  The CONOCO is slightly lower, dome appears smaller. Height is the same.  If you are looking for a low cost nice looking tank car I say go for it.   Picked mine up for $4.95.  

Don Bergman


Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

Hi Kevin,
The short answer is yes if you don't need to print white lettering or real high resolution. A color (or black only) laser printer can take decal paper and print on it like any other paper.
The resolution won't be any better than that of your laser printer though. I buy the paper on ebay where you can search "laser decal paper".

Now if you need higher resolution than your laser printer provides or you need white lettering then you consider using the services of a decal printing business. For small decals like those for model railroading many services use decal printers like those from Alps that can print white ink. You can see the printers at alps-printers.com. I don't think they are manufactured anymore since they want Windows XP on the host machine. The price is not consumer grade....

The good news for HOn3 is that the decals are so small that a PDF file is good enough to give to the printing service. If the decals are any larger then the printer will typically want Illustrator or CorelDRAW files or some other higher-end format. I  work in CorelDRAW for challenging designs and Visio for everything else.

The printing services advertise in MR and the Gazette. 

I am avoiding discussing whether DIY inkjet printing with white ink is worth trying. I just don't know anything about it and have not seen a lot of discussions and articles suggesting (as we say in Florida) that the juice is worth the squeeze.

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: conoco tank cars

kevin b
 

Hello Brian:


 for decals the attached PDF might help. I worked on some mid/late 20s decals for Continental Oil cars I want to make from those Roundhouse old timer 26' tank cars. 
 There are enough decals for 15 cars if you print the half sheet. 

sort of "pirating the signal" here,,,,, but, I have several of the MDC tank cars destined for my narrow gauge line.
i'd like to put the logo you sent on.
so, dumb question:
how do I turn that into a decal?
 is there some kind of decal paper to print on or something?

thanks.
Kevin.


Blackstone C19 paint colors

George Pierson
 

Hi, all,

I have an unlettered Blackstone C19 that came with a deep green boiler and silvered smokebox.  I plan to extend the smokebox so can anyone recommend a hobby paint that is a good match for the existing smokebox paint?  Likewise can anyone recommend a hobby paint match for the deep green of the boiler?

Thanks,

George Pierson


Re: conoco tank cars

lloyd lehrer
 

Hey Don, post some images of those tankcars. 

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 6:25 PM Don Bergman <DBRenegade@...> wrote:
Bob V. asked....

Have any of you modeled the CONOCO tanks using the MDC "old timer" 30 foot models? Not a perfection type thing but a reasonable representation? Grandts volume iv has some nice photos and a drawing of the wide frame type. What type trucks were they ?
 

Yes, I have several in a string of tank cars and although those familiar with them will note a slight difference most visitors see them the same as a Blackstone!  The CONOCO is slightly lower, dome appears smaller. Height is the same.  If you are looking for a low cost nice looking tank car I say go for it.   Picked mine up for $4.95.  

Don Bergman


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lloyd lehrer


Re: conoco tank cars

Don Bergman
 

Bob V. asked....

Have any of you modeled the CONOCO tanks using the MDC "old timer" 30 foot models? Not a perfection type thing but a reasonable representation? Grandts volume iv has some nice photos and a drawing of the wide frame type. What type trucks were they ?
 

Yes, I have several in a string of tank cars and although those familiar with them will note a slight difference most visitors see them the same as a Blackstone!  The CONOCO is slightly lower, dome appears smaller. Height is the same.  If you are looking for a low cost nice looking tank car I say go for it.   Picked mine up for $4.95.  

Don Bergman


Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

My pleasure Robert. Send along a picture of your tank car conversion when you are ready to share one. I'd love to see it!
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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: conoco tank cars

Robert Furrer
 

Hi Brian,

Thank you very much for your info and offer. However, I no longer need such decals. I have the few cars I wanted decorated with a later paint scheme, and that has got to do.

Best regards from Switzerland, and once again, many thanks. And stay safe in these crazy times.

Robert


Von: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> im Auftrag von Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...>
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Juli 2020 14:21
An: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [HOn3] conoco tank cars
 
Robert for decals the attached PDF might help. I worked on some mid/late 20s decals for Continental Oil cars I want to make from those Roundhouse old timer 26' tank cars.

The lettering style is the block letters (San Jun Models has a nice picture of them too). There are enough decals for 15 cars if you print the half sheet. They're not perfect but there aren't alot of options out there just now so I was happy with them. I jammed the end decals in the middle so you need a sharp knife to cut them out.

If you know someone who can print waterslide white you will have the white on black tank cars. Stan Cedarleaf printed mine. He advertises in the Gazette and prices are reasonable.

Later this year I hope to build a few (no pictures yet). I have accumulated 5 of the Roundhouse cars from shows and ebay.For the mid/late 20s I was going to use Kadee 721's, the 4'6" arch bar trucks.

Here is the one catch: If you don't like the tested by location and railroad (my proto-lance line), I can send you the Visio file so you can modify it to read Denver or wherever, or you can just cut it out.......

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

Robert for decals the attached PDF might help. I worked on some mid/late 20s decals for Continental Oil cars I want to make from those Roundhouse old timer 26' tank cars.

The lettering style is the block letters (San Jun Models has a nice picture of them too). There are enough decals for 15 cars if you print the half sheet. They're not perfect but there aren't alot of options out there just now so I was happy with them. I jammed the end decals in the middle so you need a sharp knife to cut them out.

If you know someone who can print waterslide white you will have the white on black tank cars. Stan Cedarleaf printed mine. He advertises in the Gazette and prices are reasonable.

Later this year I hope to build a few (no pictures yet). I have accumulated 5 of the Roundhouse cars from shows and ebay.For the mid/late 20s I was going to use Kadee 721's, the 4'6" arch bar trucks.

Here is the one catch: If you don't like the tested by location and railroad (my proto-lance line), I can send you the Visio file so you can modify it to read Denver or wherever, or you can just cut it out.......

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


conoco tank cars

Robert Veefkind
 


Have any of you modeled the Conoco tanks using the MDC "old timer" 30 foot models? Not a perfection type thing but a reasonable representation? Grandts volume iv has some nice photos and a drawing of the wide frame type. What type trucks were they ?      Bob V.


Re: WTB: Blackstone K-27

Dexter Decker
 

Jim,
If you haven’t sold the K-27, I am interested.
Dexter Decker
Cell/Text: 517-920-1919

On Jun 30, 2020, 3:32 PM -0400, Jim Spencer <trainmanjs@...>, wrote:
I have a green boiler #455 with the original cab + sound and original box.  It was test run only (I have four brass K-27s;the Blackstone was an impulse purchase).  $250 plus shipping.
Jim


Future Conventions

Peter Smith
 

Greetings Again,

I stand corrected. We do have one bid. Pittsburg, in the person of Gary Kohler, has submitted a bid for 2024.

Pete