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Re: WTB: Blackstone K-27

Dexter Decker
 

Jim,
If you haven’t sold the K-27, I am interested.
Dexter Decker
Cell/Text: 517-920-1919

On Jun 30, 2020, 3:32 PM -0400, Jim Spencer <trainmanjs@...>, wrote:
I have a green boiler #455 with the original cab + sound and original box.  It was test run only (I have four brass K-27s;the Blackstone was an impulse purchase).  $250 plus shipping.
Jim


Future Conventions

Peter Smith
 

Greetings Again,

I stand corrected. We do have one bid. Pittsburg, in the person of Gary Kohler, has submitted a bid for 2024.

Pete


[On3] Future Conventions

Mike Conder
 


Forwarding this to  a few other groups from the On3 list, just in case it hadn't gotten there yet.  If so, apologies for the duplications.

Mike Conder

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Peter Smith <smithpb@...>
Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:34 AM
Subject: [On3] Future Conventions
To: <on3@groups.io>


Greetings:

It has long been a tradition that future convention hosts are chosen by the attendees of prior conventions, with that selection process being managed by the current host committee. It is a part of the long tradition of being able to organize forty successive conventions without a need for an over-arching, national organization.

Lead times of several years (ideally 5) are required to ensure that the future hosts have time to arrange facilities and events. Commitments have already been made to host 2021 (Hickory, NC), 2022 (Seattle/Tacoma, WA) and 2023 (Denver, CO). It is a good idea to maintain the regular cadence of locations between the east, west and mid-west, so an eastern location would be ideal for 2024 before heading west for 2025.

But no bids have been made for 2024 or for 2025 - we had hoped to secure these bids in St. Louis in September 2020. To enable future hosts to have enough time to prepare future conventions, we are proposing that:
  • Groups wishing to host a convention in 2024 or 2025 should contact Pete Smith with a summary of their proposal, by August 31, 2020.
  • We will add the summary of your proposal to the 40th NNGC web site, http://40nngc.com, for all to view, as soon as we receive it.
  • If we have competing bids, we will initiate an informal, on-line vote to determine the best bid, in early September 2020.
  • We will keep the narrow gauge community informed via the convention website and other social media channels.

Is this a perfect process? No - but it's the best that we can dream up!  We look forward to perpetuating this wonderful tradition of National Narrow Gauge Conventions into the middle of the decade.

Feel free to call if you have questions, 618-531-5518.

Peter Smith


Future Convetions

Peter Smith
 

Greetings:

It has long been a tradition that future convention hosts are chosen by the attendees of prior conventions, with that selection process being managed by the current host committee. It is a part of the long tradition of being able to organize forty successive conventions without a need for an over-arching, national organization.

Lead times of several years (ideally 5) are required to ensure that the future hosts have time to arrange facilities and events. Commitments have already been made to host 2021 (Hickory, NC), 2022 (Seattle/Tacoma, WA) and 2023 (Denver, CO). It is a good idea to maintain the regular cadence of locations between the east, west and mid-west, so an eastern location would be ideal for 2024 before heading west for 2025.

But no bids have been made for 2024 or for 2025 - we had hoped to secure these bids in St. Louis in September 2020. To enable future hosts to have enough time to prepare future conventions, we are proposing that:
  • Groups wishing to host a convention in 2024 or 2025 should contact Pete Smith with a summary of their proposal, by August 31, 2020.
  • We will add the summary of your proposal to the 40th NNGC web site, http://40nngc.com, for all to view, as soon as we receive it.
  • If we have competing bids, we will initiate an informal, on-line vote to determine the best bid, in early September 2020.
  • We will keep the narrow gauge community informed via the convention website and other social media channels.

Is this a perfect process? No - but it's the best that we can dream up!  We look forward to perpetuating this wonderful tradition of National Narrow Gauge Conventions into the middle of the decade.

Feel free to call if you have questions, 618-531-5518.

Peter Smith


Re: New HOn3 Dealer - ReSourced Rails

Seb J
 

Hi Matthew,
Thanks for the link, and your fair prices. This led me to order the C25 !

Sebastien

Le lun. 6 juil. 2020 à 19:26, Matthew Dowd <matt.dowd4@...> a écrit :

All,

I invite you to review the selection of HOn3 brass and Blackstone Models items we have listed on the newest source for pre-owned model trains: ReSourced Rails. Our HOn3 specific items can be found here: https://resourcedrails.com/collections/hon3/HOn3 or via Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/resourcedrails . New HOn3 listing will be added next week so subscribe to our email list for early access. Thank you all and happy railroading!


-Matthew Dowd

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Seb J
 

Nice switch John !

Le lun. 6 juil. 2020 à 17:13, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> a écrit :
I do not use paste.  I have found too much splattering, and a struggle to build up a substantial joint.  I have also found paste drying out over time.  I use Sn Pb Cd solder melting at 145C.  Less chance of heat damage to PC board.  I cut a tiny chip of solder with a rosin flux, place it next to the rail base, and heat with tweezers.  Stop as soon as any melting.  Tweezers allow you to then move the rail to get gauge adjusted.  145C does not seem common in the US, much more popular in UK.  davidcoinz1551 has been selling on Ebay for $25/lb.  It works very well for any general soldering.
Here is a photo of a #3 Barry slip switch I made with code 100 in standard O gauge, using this solder.  However, to make the frog point, I use 96 Sn, 4 Ag, at 430F.

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé


Re: New HOn3 Dealer - ReSourced Rails

kevin b
 

I went there, could not get ANY thing to come up.?
Kevin.




Nice website Matt with plenty of photos of the items. I like the prices too. Definitely bookmark worthy....

Having done business with you before, if you are associated with this new effort, then that gives me confidence to buy from them.

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: New HOn3 Dealer - ReSourced Rails

Brian Kopp
 

Nice website Matt with plenty of photos of the items. I like the prices too. Definitely bookmark worthy....

Having done business with you before, if you are associated with this new effort, then that gives me confidence to buy from them.

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


New HOn3 Dealer - ReSourced Rails

Matthew Dowd
 

All,

I invite you to review the selection of HOn3 brass and Blackstone Models items we have listed on the newest source for pre-owned model trains: ReSourced Rails. Our HOn3 specific items can be found here: https://resourcedrails.com/collections/hon3/HOn3 or via Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/resourcedrails . New HOn3 listing will be added next week so subscribe to our email list for early access. Thank you all and happy railroading!


-Matthew Dowd


Re: Progress on the East Broad Top

Russ Norris
 

My bad.  I can only wish the EBT had a fleet of 11 Baldwin Mike's.  It's actually 6 2-8-2's, not 12.  I must have thinking of the oldest and smallest likes, #12.

Russ

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 12:16 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
thanks for posting.
Kevin.
On Monday, July 6, 2020, 10:11:25 AM CDT, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:


Most of you know that the East Broad Top Railroad has been purchased by a foundation and is in the process of restoration.  The ultimate goal is to restore the fleet of 12 Baldiwn Mikados to operating condition.  Here is a link to a recent article in the Altoona Mirror about the Friends of the East Broad Top and recent progress on the railroad.

https://www.altoonamirror.com/ news/local-news/2020/07/back-o n-track/

--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Progress on the East Broad Top

kevin b
 

thanks for posting.
Kevin.

On Monday, July 6, 2020, 10:11:25 AM CDT, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:


Most of you know that the East Broad Top Railroad has been purchased by a foundation and is in the process of restoration.  The ultimate goal is to restore the fleet of 12 Baldiwn Mikados to operating condition.  Here is a link to a recent article in the Altoona Mirror about the Friends of the East Broad Top and recent progress on the railroad.

https://www.altoonamirror.com/ news/local-news/2020/07/back-o n-track/

--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

John Hutnick
 

I do not use paste.  I have found too much splattering, and a struggle to build up a substantial joint.  I have also found paste drying out over time.  I use Sn Pb Cd solder melting at 145C.  Less chance of heat damage to PC board.  I cut a tiny chip of solder with a rosin flux, place it next to the rail base, and heat with tweezers.  Stop as soon as any melting.  Tweezers allow you to then move the rail to get gauge adjusted.  145C does not seem common in the US, much more popular in UK.  davidcoinz1551 has been selling on Ebay for $25/lb.  It works very well for any general soldering.
Here is a photo of a #3 Barry slip switch I made with code 100 in standard O gauge, using this solder.  However, to make the frog point, I use 96 Sn, 4 Ag, at 430F.


Progress on the East Broad Top

Russ Norris
 

Most of you know that the East Broad Top Railroad has been purchased by a foundation and is in the process of restoration.  The ultimate goal is to restore the fleet of 12 Baldiwn Mikados to operating condition.  Here is a link to a recent article in the Altoona Mirror about the Friends of the East Broad Top and recent progress on the railroad.

https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2020/07/back-on-track/

--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Mick Moignard
 

I’m with Mark here, except I’ve used plumbers solder paste with no issues and both an RSU and a high wattage iron. Just wash the completed turnouts carefully and well afterwards when you’re done to remove all the flux residue, whatever you use.

Much

______________________________________
Mick Moignard
mick@...
p:+44 7774 652504
skype: mickmoignard

The week may start M, T, but it always ends WTF!


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Brian Kopp
 


I use leaded 63/37 solder wire for hand-laid turnouts. I suppose solder paste would work too and pre-application would free up a hand....might be worth a try. If it doesn't work, it might be because there isn't enough flux to clean the joint area...........a little extra cleaning before hand??

63/37 vs 60/40 is a physics issue. 63/37 is eutectic solder. Which means it melts and freezes at one single temperature, not over a range of temperature. 60/40 solder and other non-eutectic solder, go through a semi-gell state during transition that can result in cold solder joints (weak and prone to cracks) if you stop applying heat to soon. The issue arises because the melting point of the alloy is lower than the individual melting points of the component metals. Unfortunately, the solution to solder reliably with non-eutectic solder is to use more heat, which is often counter productive for delicate soldering jobs..... Rail to PCB tie soldering isn't what I would call delicate work so it is among the more forgiving applications that can use 60/40 solder easily.

Whatever the basic solder components, (silver, indium for really low temp, etc.) I always try to find a blend that is eutectic.  I am a Kester fanboy (solder wire and paste) but I have also used chipquik paste for indium low temp solder.


--
Brian Kopp (Electrical Engineer)
Jacksonville, FL


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Robert Bell
 

They are in Skagway, AK; NOT Whitehorse, YT.

Rob Bell


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Not sure if you can get Carrs products in the US but they make a 60/40 solder paste called Carrs 188. They also make various different fluxs. I saw it used at an exhibition where some 2mm Society guys were making the most beautiful turnouts using paste and RSU's (but without any jigs!). The only difference was they were using a carbon probe rather than tweezers. The other leg was connected to the rail with an alligator clip. I've tried it and it works very well.
Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Dale Buxton
 

Same here.

Dale Buxton

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 19:09 <Climax@...> wrote:
I have used TIX on everything.  I found it universal to make things flow from wiring to nickle silver to nickle silver or brass to brass.  It just works.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 6:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Climax@...
 

I have used TIX on everything.  I found it universal to make things flow from wiring to nickle silver to nickle silver or brass to brass.  It just works.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 6:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

lloyd lehrer
 

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


--
lloyd lehrer