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Evolution of the K-27

Robert Veefkind
 



In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Mark Lewis
 

Scott:

You might want to look into the K27 photo book produced by Tim Mulina at BHI Publications.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:09 PM ftgcss <ftgc@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott

Evolution of the K-27

ftgcss
 

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Thank you, Steve. Wayne offers the kit with no decoder or a mounted TCS back EMF decoder. He doesn't say, but I assumed I'd have to add a separate sound-only decoder speaker, harness, etc. If that's the case, and since I want sound, seems more practical to order the non-decoder and use the savings to buy one. Made a note of your phone number. Will let you know how I proceed. Thanks again.

Bob Herrick

Re: Decoder in C-16

STEVEN WYSOWSKI
 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Robert Herrick wrote:
Oops. The above was meant for Steve Wysowski.

Bob Herrick
Hi Bob, correct, I did my own wiring etc. Wayne can do it as well and I believe he uses TCS decoders. I work on my club’s decoders and sound and always use Soundtraxx because I attended the Academy a few years ago and feel very comfortable with their products. That said,you see that i installed a TCS WOW Sound decoder in one of the C-16’s and it is perhaps my best running lokie. Both are great companies and you may even opt for another, but you will have plenty of room in the C-16 tender for electronics. Wayne’s upgrade kit is phenomenal as well... Good luck. If you need to contact me-860-329-2055. 

Re: Kadee N scale couplers.

Ric Case
 

Ed received the check, thanks! 
The other couple of couplers are the ones I have been working with on some of my hon3 locomotive pilots!
I hope you can make due with them! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Mar 20, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Ric Case via Groups.Io <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Ed should have them by Monday 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Mar 18, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ed Tibbetts via Groups.Io <tippytib@...> wrote:

Thanks Ric.
Ed T.

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Oops. The above was meant for Steve Wysowski.

Bob Herrick

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Oddly enough--I let Wayne know that I would call this afternoon to order the same kit. He offers one with a decoder wired, but it looks like you ordered the one without?

Bob H

Re: Decoder in C-16

STEVEN WYSOWSKI
 

Robert,

Jim Vail’s “How to” is in the 2011 issue of the HOn3 Annual on page 38.He upgrades a Westside “Hi Grade”, I have upgraded the Westside C-16’s with the motor hanging out the back, this is an easier motor upgrade in my opinion because the motor is not in a sleeve and the worm placement is a bit less critical in these than in the “hi grade” versions. Jim uses a flat speaker and that may save some space but a small Soundtraxx cube speaker may be better, that is what I used in all three of my C-16 upgrades.  I would be glad to answer questions. 

Steve W

Re: Decoder in C-16

Ben Poole
 

Very good Bob!  Glad you will be able to move forward!

Ben Poole


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:51 AM Robert Herrick <rdherrick@...> wrote:
Ben---and thanks to all of you--I dug through my pile and discovered the 2011 annual with Jim's article. Slapping forehead. Why didn't I think to look there. Thanks to all of you for the response!

Bob Herrick



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Ben Poole
770-231-4718 - mobile

Re: Decoder in C-16

STEVEN WYSOWSKI
 

Bob,

I have installed decoders, keep alive, and speakers in. 3 Westside c-16’s. I used Loco_Doc’s motor upgrade but I have installed Tsunami2’s in 2 of them and a Wow Sound decoder in one.I used the Soundtraxx Current Keepers in all three and cube speakers in all three. Sound is very good, performance is outstanding. I programmed top speed of 25 scale mph with momentum stop and they run as fine as they look.Before this crisis, Ihad taken down my narrow gauge layout as we are building and planning an out of state move soI cannot show any photos but As mentioned in this thread, Jim vail posted in the Gazette which was helpful but not necessary.

Steve W

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Ben---and thanks to all of you--I dug through my pile and discovered the 2011 annual with Jim's article. Slapping forehead. Why didn't I think to look there. Thanks to all of you for the response!

Bob Herrick

Re: Decoder in C-16

Mick Moignard
 

Yep. Soundtraxx Eco-100 when they were available and the cap in the can roof (it has been remotored so there was space) and sugarcube speaker in the smokebox.  SouNd quality and volume are fine. Straightforward install, no hassle.  Ah, and I lit the headlight, too.

Mick

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Re: Silverton Northern photos

jczul36
 

Gorgeous Bob!


On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust@...> wrote:


When installing windows 10 from windows 7- those photos of the S.N. locomotives disappeared.
If any are interested I posted a photo of my rendition of an early DRG 4-4-0 which I believed were numbered in the 80 to 90 range. The drivers are the old Kemtron brass betsy type with the bolted in counterweights. They had to be narrowed to fit the hon3 frame and new code 88 tires. They are 44 " . The color scheme was authenticated by a well known DRG narrow gauge modeler and an old issue of "the Prospector" This photo was in the hon3 group some years ago.
I bet there are some old "Brass Betsy drivers stashed away with hoarders like me. I believe they only came in standard gauge
Bob Veefkind
<D&RG 4-4-0 # 89.JPG>

Re: Ad: NEW HO/HOn3 Broad Top Mountain Models East Broad Top RR Machine Shop Kits arrived!

rckwallaby
 

Cool. 

Look forward you that. 

Not sure what/if I’ll do with the Broad Top Mountain Models Machine Shop kits. I have this design / half build of an engine shed / machine shop / car shop that morphs an FSM engine shed with the EBT style and characteristics of their engine facilities complex. 
Sounds terrible in words but I’m pretty happy with the design. Just very slow on the build. Thought getting one of these kits might help motivate me to complete mine. 

Cheers
Phil


On 30 Mar 2020, at 1:36 am, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Phil have added to and upgraded a lot of the scenery! I need to do another video as a good bit has been added 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, rckwallaby <pmo77304@...> wrote:



Hi Ric.

 

I’m an HOn3 Freelance Modeller who’s a fan of the EBT and has a lot of HOn3 EBT stuff.

I have most of the Hallmark EBT locos, a couple of the Hallmark Coal Hoppers and about 50 of the Blackstone EBT Hoppers.

I visited Orbsonia/Rockhill and Mt Union in 2005.

Been fascinated with the EBT facilities there. A print of Ted Rose’s ‘Mount Union Train’ hangs in my study.

Not currently active with HOn3 modelling, got distracted by HO brass and Sn3 logging.

 

I’ve watched the video of your layout several times. Pretty impressive.

Good work there.

 

Regards

Phil Morrow

Sunshine Coast

Australia

 

From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ric Case
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 9:54 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Ad: NEW HO/HOn3 Broad Top Mountain Models East Broad Top RR Machine Shop Kits arrived!

 

Phil are you an EBT modeler? 

Ric Case 

EBT Modeler 

Hamilton Ohio 

1-513-375-7694



On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:07 AM, rckwallaby <pmo77304@...> wrote:



That’s a pretty humungous box.

Wonder what that will look like once it’s flown half way round the world?

About to find out I am.

 

Phil

 

From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> On Behalf Of NarrowMinded1
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 9:33 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Ad: NEW HO/HOn3 Broad Top Mountain Models East Broad Top RR Machine Shop Kits arrived!

 

They've arrived, they've arrived!

The HO/HOn3 EBT Machine Shop kits have arrived! If you haven't ordered yours yet click on the link below to place your order!

http://www.nateslightironhobbies.com/…/east-brod-top-machin…

--
Nathan Kline
www.broadtopmountainmodels.com
www.nateslightironhobbies.com

Re: Decoder in C-16

Ben Poole
 

Bob,

Thanks to Mike's recollection, I was able to locate the article that Jim Vail wrote about installing a Tsunami decoder in a C-16 for the 2011 HOn3 Annual.  It's on page 38 and like everything Jim did, it is crisp and detailed. If you don't have a copy of the issue, I can make a PDF of the relevant pages as long as it is not a copyright infringement.  @Chris Lane - can you please confirm?

Cheers!

Ben Poole
Atlanta, GA


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> wrote:
I can’t swear to it, but I believe Jim Vail wrote an article about doing just that.

It was in either the Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette, or the HOn3 Annual.

Sorry I can’t be more precise, but after moving to a retirement facility, I don’t have all those items at my fingertips.

Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO



On Mar 29, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Robert Herrick <rdherrick@...> wrote:

Folks,

I'm upgrading a Westside C-16 including DCC. Have any of you tried to cram a sound decoder and speaker into one of these tiny locomotives and were you happy with the quality of sound if you have? I'd appreciate any and all feedback and suggestions.

Thank you,

Bob Herrick



--
Ben Poole
770-231-4718 - mobile

Re: layout lighting

Climax@...
 

These always candles!  Sorry, I just had to do that.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io"
Sent: Mar 29, 2020 4:04 PM
To: hon3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] layout lighting

Good afternoon Gents and Ladies too.

I have about 22 foot of lighting under a valance on my layout. Some -6 foot of it -are about 7 feet from my operating stand and accessible only by a duck under. My old bones don't like the crawling under to turn the lighting on. I see a lot of under counter lighting advertised to turn on and even dim with a wave of the hand or perhaps even waving a broom would do. The present lighting is halogen and okay but not bright enough. No battery operated stuff. Any thoughts?
Bob Veefkind

Re: Silverton Northern photos

Russ Norris
 

Beautiful little engine, Bob.

Russ


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:25 PM Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
When installing windows 10 from windows 7- those photos of the S.N. locomotives disappeared.
If any are interested I posted a photo of my rendition of an early DRG 4-4-0 which I believed were numbered in the 80 to 90 range. The drivers are the old Kemtron brass betsy type with the bolted in counterweights. They had to be narrowed to fit the hon3 frame and new code 88 tires. They are 44 " . The color scheme was authenticated by a well known DRG narrow gauge modeler and an old issue of "the Prospector" This photo was in the hon3 group some years ago.
I bet there are some old "Brass Betsy drivers stashed away with hoarders like me. I believe they only came in standard gauge
Bob Veefkind


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/

Re: Decoder in C-16

Bob Burgoyne
 

Bob,
I had Westside C-16 278 installed by a professional. Recall the choice of speaker made a difference in the Bass sounds, giving a richer tone. I wish I could share details, but someone else did the installation. Happy with the sound and sync. This was in the early days of DCC (Soundtraxx - before Tsunami)) , but in the years since electronics have improved. You should be happy with the result.

Bob B
h0n3Bob

Re: layout lighting

lloyd lehrer
 

I just installed a wifi controlled plug on my layout lighting yesterday it is just an on/off switch, but they make ones that are designed for dimming lites.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 1:15 PM Steven Haworth <haworth7@...> wrote:
I'd get an electrician to wire several outlets throughout the layout area, then tie all of that into one switch - so you can power everything off easily from a single point.

- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:04 PM Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good afternoon Gents and Ladies too.

I have about 22 foot of lighting under a valance on my layout. Some -6 foot of it -are about 7 feet from my operating stand and accessible only by a duck under. My old bones don't like the crawling under to turn the lighting on. I see a lot of under counter lighting advertised to turn on and even dim with a wave of the hand or perhaps even waving a broom would do. The present lighting is halogen and okay but not bright enough. No battery operated stuff. Any thoughts?
Bob Veefkind


--
lloyd lehrer