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Re: Evolution of the K-27

Jeff Reynolds
 

I believe the 460 was the only K-27 that was never converted to walschaerts valve gear. The 462 had no super heater. After contuous shopping, no two K-27's wound up having the same arrangement of parts.
jefe

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Mark Kasprowicz
 

That was Brewster.

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Ed Knoob,

Prefect. Thanks for the precis. Priceless.

Mark K

Re: Evolution of the K-27

ftgcss
 

Earl and Seb,

Thanks, that was just the information I was looking for.  It's amazing what a wealth of information there is here on these forums.  Thanks again all.

Scott

Re: Evolution of the K-27

ftgcss
 

Ed,

Thanks for the offer.  You can send them to ftgc AT comcast DOT net.

Scott

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Earl Knoob
 

In a nutshell:

454, 456, 458, 461 received piston valve conversions in the late 1910's retaining Stephenson Valve Gear and saturated steam.  To connect with the existing valve gear, the valve chests are inboard of the cylinder centerlines.
452, 453, 455, 459, 463, 464 converted to superheat, piston valves, Walscheart Valve Gear 1925-26.
454, 456, 458, 461 converted to Walscheart Gear and superheated at same time frame.
462 converted to piston valves and Walschaert Valve Gear, but not superheated in 1930.
450, 451, 457, 460 were never converted and remained slide valve saturated steam.  All were out of service by mid-1930's except 460 which stayed active until 1938-9.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Seb J <sebastien.jubault@...>
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] Evolution of the K-27
 
Hi guys,

Last autumn I started a thread on the NGDF forum about the K27 valve conversions.
Very good informations were given, by Earl Knoob for example (costs, dates, etc...). The discussion also revealed the only known picture of a K27 in the intermediate state of the conversion : 456 with inboard piston valves and still with stephenson valve motion.

Link to that thread :

Sebastien

Le mar. 31 mars 2020 à 21:55, Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> a écrit :


In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Ed Tibbetts
 

Model Railroader did a 2 part series on the K27. March and June 1973. I have it as 11 .pdf’s if you want give me your email address.
Ed T.

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Seb J
 

Hi guys,

Last autumn I started a thread on the NGDF forum about the K27 valve conversions.
Very good informations were given, by Earl Knoob for example (costs, dates, etc...). The discussion also revealed the only known picture of a K27 in the intermediate state of the conversion : 456 with inboard piston valves and still with stephenson valve motion.

Le mar. 31 mars 2020 à 21:55, Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> a écrit :


In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: Evolution of the K-27

sydney schofield
 

Blackstone models has a believable story at:  Blackstone Models




Re: Evolution of the K-27

ftgcss
 

So is it safe to say that by the late 1920s most of the fleet had been converted to cylinder pistons and Walschaerts valve gear?  The reason I'm asking is that I'm thinking of changing the period of the RGS I'm modeling from 1940 to the late 1920s.  The K-27s I have all have cylinder pistons and Walschaerts valve gear (and to be honest I'm not all that crazy about the slide valve versions).

Thanks for the information and I'll look into picking up one of the books,
Scott

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Doug Cummings
 

You will find it was done over a period of time and gradually as the locomotives were shopped over a period of several years
DEC



Look for a copy of “The Mudhens” by Dennis O’Berry too.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:55 PM Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

--
Wayne Cohen

Re: Evolution of the K-27

waynecohen49@...
 

Look for a copy of “The Mudhens” by Dennis O’Berry too.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:55 PM Robert Veefkind via Groups.Io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

--
Wayne Cohen

Evolution of the K-27

Robert Veefkind
 



In a message dated 3/31/2020 3:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ftgc@... writes:

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott
1923 #454 inside  1924 #456 inside  1925 # 461 & 458 inside also 464- 452 and 455 outside 1926 463 & 459 out side  I believe that valve gear was installed the same times  450 451 457 and 460 sayed slide
I missed 2 somehow     Bob Veefkind

Re: Evolution of the K-27

Mark Lewis
 

Scott:

You might want to look into the K27 photo book produced by Tim Mulina at BHI Publications.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:09 PM ftgcss <ftgc@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott

Evolution of the K-27

ftgcss
 

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone here knows about or could point me towards information covering the evolution of the K-27s.  I'm specifically interested in when their slide valves and Stephenson valve gear were replaced with cylinder valves and Walschaerts valve gear.  I know they were done at different times as the engines were shopped.  I'm looking at what time frame that occurred like 19xx-19xx.

Thanks,
Scott

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Thank you, Steve. Wayne offers the kit with no decoder or a mounted TCS back EMF decoder. He doesn't say, but I assumed I'd have to add a separate sound-only decoder speaker, harness, etc. If that's the case, and since I want sound, seems more practical to order the non-decoder and use the savings to buy one. Made a note of your phone number. Will let you know how I proceed. Thanks again.

Bob Herrick

Re: Decoder in C-16

STEVEN WYSOWSKI
 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Robert Herrick wrote:
Oops. The above was meant for Steve Wysowski.

Bob Herrick
Hi Bob, correct, I did my own wiring etc. Wayne can do it as well and I believe he uses TCS decoders. I work on my club’s decoders and sound and always use Soundtraxx because I attended the Academy a few years ago and feel very comfortable with their products. That said,you see that i installed a TCS WOW Sound decoder in one of the C-16’s and it is perhaps my best running lokie. Both are great companies and you may even opt for another, but you will have plenty of room in the C-16 tender for electronics. Wayne’s upgrade kit is phenomenal as well... Good luck. If you need to contact me-860-329-2055. 

Re: Kadee N scale couplers.

Ric Case
 

Ed received the check, thanks! 
The other couple of couplers are the ones I have been working with on some of my hon3 locomotive pilots!
I hope you can make due with them! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Mar 20, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Ric Case via Groups.Io <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Ed should have them by Monday 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Mar 18, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ed Tibbetts via Groups.Io <tippytib@...> wrote:

Thanks Ric.
Ed T.

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Oops. The above was meant for Steve Wysowski.

Bob Herrick

Re: Decoder in C-16

Robert Herrick
 

Oddly enough--I let Wayne know that I would call this afternoon to order the same kit. He offers one with a decoder wired, but it looks like you ordered the one without?

Bob H