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Re: Railline Box Cars and Grandt Stirrup Steps

John G Massura
 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t both the Grandt Line steps and the Railline boxcar styrene? If so, a drop of MEK or Testors should do the trick.

John

On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:21, Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:

I had ACCed the stirrup steps yesterday and had allowed them to harden overnight. Today I trimmed the protrusions and out of eight one let loose. That sucks. I decided to try to bond the styrene and delrin/celcon/whatever plastics by CAREFULLY melting them with a cautery pen. The process went fast, easy to lineup and hold. No ACC creeping thru the hole but a solid connection. You could use any number of methods to melt the plastics. Some probably better in practise than others.

Time will tell if this was a good idea or a 'what was I thinking' moment.

Dusty Burman 

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Railline Box Cars and Grandt Stirrup Steps

Dusty
 

I had ACCed the stirrup steps yesterday and had allowed them to harden overnight. Today I trimmed the protrusions and out of eight one let loose. That sucks. I decided to try to bond the styrene and delrin/celcon/whatever plastics by CAREFULLY melting them with a cautery pen. The process went fast, easy to lineup and hold. No ACC creeping thru the hole but a solid connection. You could use any number of methods to melt the plastics. Some probably better in practise than others.

Time will tell if this was a good idea or a 'what was I thinking' moment.

Dusty Burman 


Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Robert Bell
 

OH!  Don't get me wrong, I had me 1.75x reading glasses AND my Optisors with the #5 lens...lol

Rob

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

kevin b
 

ME TOO.

oh, and now I need like a go-zillion worth of candle power for lights to see what the heck i'm doing to.
I bet'cha she can put 'em together in the dark almost.



Kevin I offered my half-frame magnifiers but she said no.... boy I miss those days. =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: HOn3 for sale large list

Climax@...
 


Wow!  What a stable of Iron Horses!

-----Original Message-----
From: "tonyk537 via groups.io"
Sent: Apr 21, 2020 1:19 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] HOn3 for sale large list

Hon3 for sale 4/18/20

 

Tony Kassin

Tonyk375@...   tonyk375 at aol dot com

PayPal is best.  US shipping included

 

HOn3 for sale includes US shipping  Email for pictures.

 

$250 WSM      D&RGW         T-12                4-6-0   unptnd              nice condition

 

$400    PSC     D&RGW         C-16    278      2-8-0   Fact pnt            Gold box mint

 

$250 WSM      D&RGW         C-16    278      2-8-0   unpntd              can be for any road  have 2

 

$375 Key         RGS              C-17    42        2-8-0   unpntd              hard to find.  

 

$500 PSC        RGS              C19     41        2-8-0   Factory            Incredible loco

 

$400 BLK       D&RGW         C-19    unlet     2-8-0   fact pnt green boiler DCC

 

$400 BLK       D&RGW         C-19    346      2-8-0   fact pnt DCC

 

$700 PSC        D&RGW         C-21    360      2-8-0   Fact Pnt           Mint Beautiful  herald scheme

 

$300 WSM      D&RGW         C-25    375      2-8-0   Custom            Very good paint Flying RG

 

$1200 Div Point D&RGW      K-27    458      2-8-2   Fact pnt            Pristine mint Blk boiler herald scheme

 

$600  PSC       D&RGW         K-27    456      2-8-2   Fact pnt            Pristine mint Speed lettering

 

$700 PSC        D&RGW         K-27    461      2-8-2   Fact pntd          lt weath.  Plow work front coupler

 

$350 Blkstn      D&RGW         K-27    463      2-8-2   fact pntd           DC Never run only unboxed once for pics

 

$400 Blkstn      D&RGW         K-27    455      2-8-2   fact pntd/weat   DC Never run only unboxed once for pics

 

$650 WSM      D&RGW         K-28    478      2-8-2   custom             very good paint Flying RG  redetailed crew and curtains

 

$750  PSC       D&RGW         K-28    473      2-8-2   pp                    Beautiful mint   

 

$850  PSC       D&RGW         K-36    481      2-8-2   fp                    Beautiful Mint  

 

$225 BAL        D&RGW         K-36                2-8-2   unpainted          Nice with Pilot plow included

 

$300 Lam        C&S                B3C                 2-6-0   unpainted          Nice with upgrade PSC beartrap and Butterfly plow included

 

$500 PSC        RGS                 T19      25        4-6-0   Custom            very good paint

 

$350 Brlyn                               Inspection car  fact pnt with trailer really cool powered

 

$75  PFM        D&RGW         K-27                            Painted             Tender only with Doghouse

 

$350    PSC     D&RGW         Combine 215   Red      PP                    new in box 

 

$700    Wise    AH&D             Ditcher             black    PP unlt             has unpainted pile driver and sg trucks included

 

$300    Brlyn    D&RGW         Business B-1    Green   fact pnt             New in box

 

$125    Scratch D&RGW         Rail & Tie 06051 gray PP           Beautiful build weathered no kit of this car made

 

$110    WSM   D&RGW         Flat      6517    red       PP                    Brass fishbelly flat

 

$150    WSM   D&RGW         Flat      6524    red       PP                    Brass fishbelly flat with clearance jig for tunnels.  From picture

$300  Brlyn      RGS     Rico coal dock             red       Fact pnt                        Can be Vance Jct or Ute Jct or Rico  brass

 

 

Richard Dorman books  All signed.  Some have owner's names  Each $50
Alamosa/Salida
Chama Cumbres
Rio Grande Southern Ultimate Pictorial
Rio Grande Southern Ultimate Pictorial II

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Brian Kopp
 

Kevin I offered my half-frame magnifiers but she said no.... boy I miss those days. =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

HOn3 for sale large list

tonyk537
 

Hon3 for sale 4/18/20

 

Tony Kassin

Tonyk375@...   tonyk375 at aol dot com

PayPal is best.  US shipping included

 

HOn3 for sale includes US shipping  Email for pictures.

 

$250 WSM      D&RGW         T-12                4-6-0   unptnd              nice condition

 

$400    PSC     D&RGW         C-16    278      2-8-0   Fact pnt            Gold box mint

 

$250 WSM      D&RGW         C-16    278      2-8-0   unpntd              can be for any road  have 2

 

$375 Key         RGS              C-17    42        2-8-0   unpntd              hard to find.  

 

$500 PSC        RGS              C19     41        2-8-0   Factory            Incredible loco

 

$400 BLK       D&RGW         C-19    unlet     2-8-0   fact pnt green boiler DCC

 

$400 BLK       D&RGW         C-19    346      2-8-0   fact pnt DCC

 

$700 PSC        D&RGW         C-21    360      2-8-0   Fact Pnt           Mint Beautiful  herald scheme

 

$300 WSM      D&RGW         C-25    375      2-8-0   Custom            Very good paint Flying RG

 

$1200 Div Point D&RGW      K-27    458      2-8-2   Fact pnt            Pristine mint Blk boiler herald scheme

 

$600  PSC       D&RGW         K-27    456      2-8-2   Fact pnt            Pristine mint Speed lettering

 

$700 PSC        D&RGW         K-27    461      2-8-2   Fact pntd          lt weath.  Plow work front coupler

 

$350 Blkstn      D&RGW         K-27    463      2-8-2   fact pntd           DC Never run only unboxed once for pics

 

$400 Blkstn      D&RGW         K-27    455      2-8-2   fact pntd/weat   DC Never run only unboxed once for pics

 

$650 WSM      D&RGW         K-28    478      2-8-2   custom             very good paint Flying RG  redetailed crew and curtains

 

$750  PSC       D&RGW         K-28    473      2-8-2   pp                    Beautiful mint   

 

$850  PSC       D&RGW         K-36    481      2-8-2   fp                    Beautiful Mint  

 

$225 BAL        D&RGW         K-36                2-8-2   unpainted          Nice with Pilot plow included

 

$300 Lam        C&S                B3C                 2-6-0   unpainted          Nice with upgrade PSC beartrap and Butterfly plow included

 

$500 PSC        RGS                 T19      25        4-6-0   Custom            very good paint

 

$350 Brlyn                               Inspection car  fact pnt with trailer really cool powered

 

$75  PFM        D&RGW         K-27                            Painted             Tender only with Doghouse

 

$350    PSC     D&RGW         Combine 215   Red      PP                    new in box 

 

$700    Wise    AH&D             Ditcher             black    PP unlt             has unpainted pile driver and sg trucks included

 

$300    Brlyn    D&RGW         Business B-1    Green   fact pnt             New in box

 

$125    Scratch D&RGW         Rail & Tie 06051 gray PP           Beautiful build weathered no kit of this car made

 

$110    WSM   D&RGW         Flat      6517    red       PP                    Brass fishbelly flat

 

$150    WSM   D&RGW         Flat      6524    red       PP                    Brass fishbelly flat with clearance jig for tunnels.  From picture

$300  Brlyn      RGS     Rico coal dock             red       Fact pnt                        Can be Vance Jct or Ute Jct or Rico  brass

 

 

Richard Dorman books  All signed.  Some have owner's names  Each $50
Alamosa/Salida
Chama Cumbres
Rio Grande Southern Ultimate Pictorial
Rio Grande Southern Ultimate Pictorial II

Re: HOn3 PSC DL535 question

John Stutz
 

Mark

I have no knowledge of specifics regarding the K-37, but conversion from coal to oil firing usually includes replacing the grates and ashpan with a solid firebrick floor and side walls,the latter carried up high enough to shield the inner firebox side sheets from direct flame impingement. So conversion back will require as much work as converting from coal to oil.

John Stutz

On April 20, 2020 at 1:37 PM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:

Lawrence, The oil tank is a drop in over the conventional Kż37 load area, Not sure what happens in the grate though if it was converted back to coal,

Mark K

 

Re: [ADV] Re: [HOn3] HOn3 PSC DL535 question

David Hunt
 

The real question, at least in my mind, is what color green will they use on the boilers?  😊

 

From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Lewis
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:31 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [ADV] Re: [HOn3] HOn3 PSC DL535 question

 

LOL....the "green boiler" conspiracy fans will go crazy, now!!  🤯

 

Mark Lewis 

Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 2:29 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:

I have it on very good authority that they will all have green boilers.

Er, No wait! That's not quite right.

Mark K

Re: HOn3 PSC DL535 question

Lawrence Wisniewski
 

This was just my attempt to ease the pain caused by a more serious discussion a while back between myself and someone associated with the conversion of that K-37 to oil.  We had a very serious disagreement(for him anyway) about the aesthetic quality of that effort.  I'm a purist when it comes to preserving the unique look of  locos that have been returned to use.  I appreciate that the equation must contain economic and pragmatic variables (such as fire risks), and also appreciate that corporations are not well known for meticulous restorations as a way of insuring their continued existence.  They needed this engine in Durango to appease public grumbling, and that's OK with me.  However, after staring at photos and the existing examples of these engines for more than 40 years, I've developed what in my former line of work is called an ideogram, a sort of internal mental catalog of what something looks like, and this catalog then becomes how I judge the effects of my modeling and the faithfulness of other's efforts to reproduce the character of something from real life.  For me, I can instantly spot such traits as the length of a cab roof extension or the use of certain devises to protect cab roof openings and so on.  This is sort of a form of rivet counting, and some folks find it distasteful and annoying.  Well, ok, but if we are talking about preservation work, we need to have standards. 

 I let it be known when this 37 was finally rolled out that I thought it's profile had been badly served by the oil tank projecting far above the tender's normal upper edge and that the rear slope in the cab and it's roof (whose origin I have never determined other than the equally noticable backward slope in the rear most running board suggesting some sort of damaging collision in the past) compounded the problem by leading the eye directly back to the offending tank top.  In my mind, a true restoration of this loco could have been accomplished by other means that would have preserved the tender profile, and the cab tilt should have been corrected by whatever was needed to be fixed because I found no evidence of it's presence in photos from the engines working life.  I was informed that the tank volume was determined by the amount of oil need for a round trip to Silverton.  In response I suggested either trucking oil to Silverton to refuel as needed, or better yet, convert one of the old UTLX tank cars to serve as auxiliary tender.  Such remedies were even prototypical on the Rio Grande for rotary water, and for other fuel on many of the big time standard guage roads such as the B&O and the N&W.  The response I got to all this was pretty much out of line with what most of us would regard as appropriate for an aesthetic discussion.  My origins and level of intelligence were called in question with little delicacy. Some of these folks just didn't seem to understand the difference between the label 'restoration' and the label 'modification'.  Every year in museums all over the world some of the most exacting and demanding work imaginable is performed to turn old masterpieces back into what they started out as(restoration) once the procession of touch up artists had finished their mishandling of these irreplaceable works over the centuries(modification).  The same goes for antique car restoration vs. customizing street rods.  Theres plenty of room for both outlooks in this world.

 I do believe that lovers of the narrow gauge contain no small number of nit pickers like myself in their ranks.  I  got a kick out of the one guy who expressed the opinion that he hoped that the D&S would simply restore the paint on these diesels to an authentic color and just add the road name in small letters under the cab windows.  Seems like a pretty decent idea to me.  Sorry for the length of this reply. It's just a replay of the old trash vs. treasure fable.


rom: Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Apr 20, 2020 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] HOn3 PSC DL535 question

Lawrence, The oil tank is a drop in over the conventional Kż37 load area, Not sure what happens in the grate though if it was converted back to coal,

Mark K

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

kevin b
 

she is not even using glasses or magnifiers either......





So we are self isolating like everybody else and I tried building some Kadee 716 HOn3 trucks which I haven't done in 20 years (back when I was in my late thirties). Wow did those springs get smaller! Well with about 14 Kadee kits on hand I knew I was in trouble. Fortunately, my 17 year old daughter was getting bored enough after a month of Play Station 4 games and nothing else to do, to agree to build a Kadee HOn3 spring truck for $2. She making about $16 an hour with her fast and nimble fingers. See the attached photo.

From now on I will buy HGC trucks from Kadee..... =)
--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: HOn3 PSC DL535 question

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Lawrence, The oil tank is a drop in over the conventional Kż37 load area, Not sure what happens in the grate though if it was converted back to coal,

Mark K

Re: HOn3 PSC DL535 question

Mike Conder
 

Cheeky bloke ... 😉

Mike Conder

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:29 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
I have it on very good authority that they will all have green boilers.

Er, No wait! That's not quite right.

Mark K

Re: HOn3 PSC DL535 question

Lawrence Wisniewski
 

I heard that the guys who did the latest K-37 are busy trying to figure out where to put detatchable coal bins for just in case use.  They're sure you diesel purists will smile on their ingenuity and appreciate their dedication.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Apr 20, 2020 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [HOn3] HOn3 PSC DL535 question

LOL....the "green boiler" conspiracy fans will go crazy, now!!  🤯

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 2:29 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
I have it on very good authority that they will all have green boilers.

Er, No wait! That's not quite right.

Mark K

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

John G Massura
 

Just start by dropping 1 car off and picking 1 up so she learns the throttle and coupling/uncoupling.

Then add a 2nd car, and eventually  something like you have to move a car to spot the one behind it, etc.

You don’t have to count moves, the prototype switched by having the man on the ground walk the least.

John

P.S. Not sure what you model, but maybe you can get her interested in a shake-the-box kit so it’s HER car she’s switching. Baby steps.

On Apr 20, 2020, at 09:40, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Not a bad idea John,
She does like puzzles..... I need some of those old John Allen switching puzzles.....

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Brian Kopp
 

Not a bad idea John,
She does like puzzles..... I need some of those old John Allen switching puzzles.....

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

John G Massura
 

Give her a switching puzzle to solve, they love to do puzzles and a hands-on 3D one is even better.

John Massura
Chicago, IL


On Apr 20, 2020, at 09:23, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Rob,
I have lost some dexterity/feelings in the digits. Just enough lost to make it hard to slide the spring plate back and forth when attaching the side frames without springs going flying....I got one done but it took hours. Enter the nimble fingers of the 17 year old. By the time she was on her third one, she was clocking them in at under 8 minutes. It was her idea to time herself. =)
 
Now if I could only get her interested in model railroading..... =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Brian Kopp
 

Rob,
I have lost some dexterity/feelings in the digits. Just enough lost to make it hard to slide the spring plate back and forth when attaching the side frames without springs going flying....I got one done but it took hours. Enter the nimble fingers of the 17 year old. By the time she was on her third one, she was clocking them in at under 8 minutes. It was her idea to time herself. =)
 
Now if I could only get her interested in model railroading..... =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Robert Bell
 

I too, hadn't built any of these in about 20 odd years or so until recently.   I have the jig, and once I figured out how it worked (again), it went surprisingly well.  

Rob Bell 

Re: Corona virus Kadee builds

Mark Lewis
 

Brian:

Good for your daughter! 👍

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
So we are self isolating like everybody else and I tried building some Kadee 716 HOn3 trucks which I haven't done in 20 years (back when I was in my late thirties). Wow did those springs get smaller! Well with about 14 Kadee kits on hand I knew I was in trouble. Fortunately, my 17 year old daughter was getting bored enough after a month of Play Station 4 games and nothing else to do, to agree to build a Kadee HOn3 spring truck for $2. She making about $16 an hour with her fast and nimble fingers. See the attached photo.

From now on I will buy HGC trucks from Kadee..... =)
--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL