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Re: DG & H box cars

kevin b
 



wonder if one could pay the NMRA a "license fee" and use the road names etc?



Probaby got a nasty letter to cease and desist from the NMRA as they own the copyright. Seems a shame for Allen fans. I guess only the manufacturers like Micro-Trainsm MDC, Accurail and a few others that escape me get to use it to make a buck.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] DG & H box cars

Ed's decals. Sadly, he no longer produces them
John







On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...

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Where did the lettering come from?


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Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars









Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars


Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham

Southern California



Re: DG & H box cars

Climax@...
 

How many modelers do we have on the site that have house cars, their own railroad nmae & logo on cars?  Iuse Mule Pas & Woodland Railway as an example.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: May 4, 2020 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] DG & H box cars

The powder car lettering came in the kit


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

John
 

I don't know.



On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:28 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Probaby got a nasty letter to cease and desist from the NMRA as they own the copyright.  Seems a shame for Allen fans.  I guess only the manufacturers like Micro-Trainsm MDC, Accurail and a few others that escape me get to use it to make a buck.

-----Original Message-----
From: "John via groups.io"
Sent: May 4, 2020 5:02 PM
To: "HOn3@groups.io"
Subject: Re: [HOn3] DG & H box cars

Ed's decals. Sadly, he no longer produces them
John


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
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Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

Climax@...
 

Probaby got a nasty letter to cease and desist from the NMRA as they own the copyright.  Seems a shame for Allen fans.  I guess only the manufacturers like Micro-Trainsm MDC, Accurail and a few others that escape me get to use it to make a buck.

-----Original Message-----
From: "John via groups.io"
Sent: May 4, 2020 5:02 PM
To: "HOn3@groups.io"
Subject: Re: [HOn3] DG & H box cars

Ed's decals. Sadly, he no longer produces them
John


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
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Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

Climax@...
 

I wonder if they got permission from the people who hold the copyrights of all logos and names of John Allen and his railroads,, the NMRA.  The only reason I am inquiring is I am in the process of asking them which ones are copyrighted and what railroads other than JA's they have.  So far only Allens and Wit Towers have shown up.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: "John via groups.io"
Sent: May 4, 2020 5:03 PM
To: "HOn3@groups.io"
Subject: Re: [HOn3] DG & H box cars

The powder car lettering came in the kit


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
Cc: "bittercreekmodels@..."
Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

John
 

The powder car lettering came in the kit


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
Cc: "bittercreekmodels@..."
Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

John
 

Ed's decals. Sadly, he no longer produces them
John


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:32 PM, Climax@...
<Climax@...> wrote:
Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
From: "John via groups.io"
Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
Cc: "bittercreekmodels@..."
Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: DG & H box cars

Climax@...
 

Where did the lettering come from?

-----Original Message-----
From: "John via groups.io"
Sent: May 4, 2020 3:49 PM
To: HOn3 Group
Cc: "bittercreekmodels@..."
Subject: [HOn3] DG & H box cars





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

DG & H box cars

John
 





Just finished up a pair of Bitter creeks new Hon3 box cars

Very nice kits. The only change I did was to replace the kit roof walk with stripwood
John Peckham
Southern California

Re: Stub turnouts

Mick Moignard
 

Personally, I'd toss the Shino points, for two reasons:

1.        The frog gaps are enormous, sized for HO standard gauge wheels.  Our narrower tires drop down the frog gap and make the vehicles visibly lurch, plus the occasional derailment
2.        Shino rail metal tarnishes faster than Peco or ME, and you need to clean it sooner.

That all said, working switchstands off the tiebar isn't difficult:  I've added a piece of wire to the tiebar with a loop in the other end which lies between the headblocks.  Scratchtbuilt brass switchstands copied from Harry Brunk's MR article from about 20 years ago with the vertical rod bent in a z-shape as it leaves the lower brace. Assemble s/stand to headblock tie with superglue such that the end of the dropper is in the loop of the wire from the tiebar and the target where it needs to be for the blade position. Leave to set and operate.

Mick
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Re: Stub turnouts

LARRY KLOSE
 

Re the keeper box, a similar fixture is molded into the head block of the PBL stub turnout. I used spikes as limiters on the Railway Engineering 3 way.

Larry Klose

Re: Stub turnouts

LARRY KLOSE
 

Re switch stand connection, I haven’t got there yet. I’m holding the stands until I get most of my scenery and buildings installed. It’s too easy to “clear the deck“ while working with my big hands nearby.

Larry Klose

Re: Stub turnouts

LARRY KLOSE
 

The Tam Valley 3 way board allows adjustment of the throw from the servo. Indeed, they do buzz when adjusted too firmly against the stops. On a three way stub, the center adjustment is done the same way but of course, there’s no stops.

I have no experience with using a servo for a two way stub or point turnout.

Larry Klose

Re: Stub turnouts

Bruce
 

Attached is a TinderCad screenshot of the keeper box.

This is glued under the ties with the two top tabs sticking up on the outside of the rails with the split between the turnout and the moving section centered on the tab.

If I have a durability issue, I will print these with Polymax filament as it is a "tough" filament that will bend a little before breaking.  The roll I bought way back when is a medium gray.  They also have black, which might hide better.  

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce
419-602-3584 cell

Re: Stub turnouts

Bruce
 

John,

Thank you for your response.  I have some thinking to do!  If/when I come up with my final, and successful, effort I will post tot he group.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce
419-602-3584 cell

Re: Stub turnouts

John Stutz
 

Bruce

In principal, you can take a rod off of your locking spring and use it to throw a lever at the base of your mast. rotating it from 45 degrees to 135 degrees relative to the rod.  Which is just the opposite of what a prototype rotary switch machine does.  However for a 90 degree rotation you need a lever length of about 1/sqrt(2) or 0.7 times the throw of the rails, which is a bit short and almost certainly difficult to adjust. 

Alternately build up the mast's base to make a friction drum of diameter about 1.4 times the throw of rails.  Then run a length of polyester thread (to avoid stretching) from the thrown end of your locking spring, a few time around the drum, to a very light tension spring.  You may need to adjust the drum diameter, but this diameter should rotate the mast 90 degrees, and the friction drive makes it easy to adjust the target angle. 

If the tension affects operation of your locking spring, run the thread in a rectangular loop around polished pins to the opposite side of the locking spring's thrown end, and put the tension spring in the middle of this loop.  This balances the tension spring load on the locking spring, all but the mast and pin friction.  Which also allows use of a moderately high tension spring.  A pair of pulleys could be substituted for the pins, if friction proves to be a problem, but I do not expect it to be.

John Stutz

On May 3, 2020 at 7:32 AM Bruce <in2trains@...> wrote:

....I have designed and printed a non-functional low level switch machine.  A fair looking model IMHO.  It has a hole that goes all the way from top to bottom for a wire the target will be glued to.


My "hope" is to connect the wire to the throwbar such that when your finger throws the turnout the target will rotate 90 degrees indicating the turnout's position.  I haven't nailed down the connection between the throwbar and the target wire.

QUESTION TO LARRY (or anyone): How do you make the connection to rotate the target?


With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@...

Re: New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

David Laverick
 

Well said Doug, was wondering the same as I try and convert trucks to HOn30. I have a n30 Heisler I would like to put to work...

On May 3, 2020, at 8:32 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:

Doug 

Quickest solution might be to provide Grandt compatible axles for Kadee's wheels. It is possible that the existing Grandt axles have a compatible wheelseat, but if not, it should not be too difficult to produce a suitable die. 

John Stutz

On May 1, 2020 at 7:21 PM Doug Junda <djunda@...> wrote: 

We are looking in to the trucks,  We would have to have wheel sets made for them so it might take a bit of time.

 

Doug

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of tom peterman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:38 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

 

Doug, any plans to produce Grandt HOn3 trucks (or your own)?
Thanks,
Tom 


 

 

Re: New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

John Stutz
 

Doug

Quickest solution might be to provide Grandt compatible axles for Kadee's wheels. It is possible that the existing Grandt axles have a compatible wheelseat, but if not, it should not be too difficult to produce a suitable die.

John Stutz

On May 1, 2020 at 7:21 PM Doug Junda <djunda@...> wrote:

We are looking in to the trucks,  We would have to have wheel sets made for them so it might take a bit of time.

 

Doug

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of tom peterman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:38 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

 

Doug, any plans to produce Grandt HOn3 trucks (or your own)?
Thanks,
Tom


 

 

Re: Stub turnouts

Mike Conder
 

Interesting, Bruce, can you share a photo?

Mike Conder

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:43 AM Bruce <in2trains@...> wrote:
I use a 3D designed and printed "keeper" under my turnouts to hold the over center spring mounted under the turnouts to keep the spring from over time falling out.

I have tabs on the top of the keepers used for stub switches to act as stops.  I use the Polymax filament for these as it is tougher.

Like Brian, I am hoping they will hold up over time.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@...

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:23 PM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Scott thanks for the Tam Valley Depot link. 

i was curious about how you stop the switch machine (your 9g servos)at the right place. Russ is using pins soldered on the side of the outside fixed rails........ I am hoping the Shapeway plastic can stand up to a subminiature servo beating against it.

Brian

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Stub turnouts

Dusty
 

With regard to 9g servos 'beating' against the stops. My limited experience with these servos indicates that they will 'buzz' if the force reaches a certain level. They have enough power to move switch points before they buzz. I think it's important to make your switches use as little force as possible. Control the frog polarity with Juicers or micro switches. There's no need for 'rod tons' of force to insure the switch points make electrical contact. DCC friendly switches are a different mind set whether they are stub or not.

Food for thought. Your opinion and/or experience may vary.

Dusty Burman