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Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Bill Miller
 

With a 1-72 tap.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Lugg <luggw1@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2020 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

How do you smooth out the holes on these trucks?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


On 9/25/20 11:50 AM, Bill Miller via groups.io wrote:
> I have a number of Western-Rails models and most have their trucks
> under them.  Their trucks are very well detailed but the early ones
> done by Shapeways in FUD (Fine Ultra Detail) white plastic were very
> brittle and easy to break while installing the wheel sets until you
> learned the tricks to getting them in the side frames . Later W-Rs/
> Shapeways increased the thickness which helped
>
> A New gray material is used on the newest trucks which is much more
> forgiving. Western Rails trucks don't roll as freely as Blackstone's /
> Micro Trains, with out some work but they do run true which is a great
> help keeping them on the track. You need to smooth out the bearing
> holes for free rolling trucks. Just part of the printing process that
> the bearing holes are not smooth off the printer.
>
> I have a number of their EBT Boxcars and hoppers (a early 800 series 2
> bay hopper and a four bay hopper)  The cars are much like the old C&BT
> shops kits of the three bay hoppers.  Not all the detail parts are in
> the box and you will need to buy brake gear to add to the car. Think
> Tichy split K type.
>
> Western-Rails has EBT, C&S, SPNG, D&RGW and ET&WNC rolling stock
> available on their web-site.
>
>  Narrow Gauge Unlimited on Shapeways also has some EBT cars as well as
> D&RGW and C&S.
>
>  I am very pleased with what I have purchased 3-D printed from all the
> vendors who do HO Narrow Gauge 3-D prints
>
>  Bill Miller..............
>
>
> From: Bruce <in2trains@...>
> To: HOn3@groups.io
> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2020 8:11 am
> Subject: Re: [HOn3] Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?
>
> any trucksRuss,
>
> If you, or another group member, buys any Western Rails trucks please
> let the group know your thoughts on their rolling quality and level of
> detail.
>
> With cinders in your eyes,
> Bruce Bowie
> 419-602-3584
> in2trains@... <mailto:in2trains@...>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:21 AM Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...
> <mailto:rbnorrisjr@...>> wrote:
>
>    Thanks Bruce.  I already have some of their printed rolling
>    stock.  I didn't know they did trucks as well.  And $12 is
>    comparable to the Blackstones.  I will have to check them out.
>
>    Russ
>
>
>
>    On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...
>    <mailto:bdunlevy@...>> wrote:
>
>        Russ,
>
>        You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks. 
>        They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair. 
>        They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.
>
>        https://westernrails.com/product/tr03/
>        https://westernrails.com/product/hc05/
>        Bruce Dunlevy
>>
>>
>
>    --
>    Russ Norris, MMR
>    Cape Cod, Massachusetts
>    http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/
>
>





Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Bill Lugg
 

How do you smooth out the holes on these trucks?

Thanks
Bill Lugg

On 9/25/20 11:50 AM, Bill Miller via groups.io wrote:
I have a number of Western-Rails models and most have their trucks under them.  Their trucks are very well detailed but the early ones done by Shapeways in FUD (Fine Ultra Detail) white plastic were very brittle and easy to break while installing the wheel sets until you learned the tricks to getting them in the side frames . Later W-Rs/ Shapeways increased the thickness which helped

A New gray material is used on the newest trucks which is much more forgiving. Western Rails trucks don't roll as freely as Blackstone's / Micro Trains, with out some work but they do run true which is a great help keeping them on the track. You need to smooth out the bearing holes for free rolling trucks. Just part of the printing process that the bearing holes are not smooth off the printer.

I have a number of their EBT Boxcars and hoppers (a early 800 series 2 bay hopper and a four bay hopper)  The cars are much like the old C&BT shops kits of the three bay hoppers.  Not all the detail parts are in the box and you will need to buy brake gear to add to the car. Think Tichy split K type.

Western-Rails has EBT, C&S, SPNG, D&RGW and ET&WNC rolling stock available on their web-site.

 Narrow Gauge Unlimited on Shapeways also has some EBT cars as well as D&RGW and C&S.

 I am very pleased with what I have purchased 3-D printed from all the vendors who do HO Narrow Gauge 3-D prints

 Bill Miller..............


From: Bruce <in2trains@gmail.com>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2020 8:11 am
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

any trucksRuss,

If you, or another group member, buys any Western Rails trucks please let the group know your thoughts on their rolling quality and level of detail.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@gmail.com <mailto:in2trains@gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:21 AM Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@gmail.com <mailto:rbnorrisjr@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I already have some of their printed rolling
stock.  I didn't know they did trucks as well.  And $12 is
comparable to the Blackstones.  I will have to check them out.

Russ



On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@comcast.net
<mailto:bdunlevy@comcast.net>> wrote:

Russ,

You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks. 
They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair. 
They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.

https://westernrails.com/product/tr03/
https://westernrails.com/product/hc05/
Bruce Dunlevy

--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Bill Miller
 

I have a number of Western-Rails models and most have their trucks under them.  Their trucks are very well detailed but the early ones done by Shapeways in FUD (Fine Ultra Detail) white plastic were very brittle and easy to break while installing the wheel sets until you learned the tricks to getting them in the side frames . Later W-Rs/ Shapeways increased the thickness which helped 

A New gray material is used on the newest trucks which is much more forgiving. Western Rails trucks don't roll as freely as Blackstone's / Micro Trains, with out some work but they do run true which is a great help keeping them on the track. You need to smooth out the bearing holes for free rolling trucks. Just part of the printing process that the bearing holes are not smooth off the printer.

I have a number of their EBT Boxcars and hoppers (a early 800 series 2 bay hopper and a four bay hopper)  The cars are much like the old C&BT shops kits of the three bay hoppers.  Not all the detail parts are in the box and you will need to buy brake gear to add to the car. Think Tichy split K type.

Western-Rails has EBT, C&S, SPNG, D&RGW and ET&WNC rolling stock available on their web-site.

 Narrow Gauge Unlimited on Shapeways also has some EBT cars as well as D&RGW and C&S.  

 I am very pleased with what I have purchased 3-D printed from all the vendors who do HO Narrow Gauge 3-D prints

 Bill Miller..............


From: Bruce <in2trains@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2020 8:11 am
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

any trucksRuss,

If you, or another group member, buys any Western Rails trucks please let the group know your thoughts on their rolling quality and level of detail.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@...

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:21 AM Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce.  I already have some of their printed rolling stock.  I didn't know they did trucks as well.  And $12 is comparable to the Blackstones.  I will have to check them out. 

Russ



On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:
Russ,

You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks.  They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair.  They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.

 
Bruce Dunlevy


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


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Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Bruce
 

any trucksRuss,

If you, or another group member, buys any Western Rails trucks please let the group know your thoughts on their rolling quality and level of detail.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@...

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:21 AM Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce.  I already have some of their printed rolling stock.  I didn't know they did trucks as well.  And $12 is comparable to the Blackstones.  I will have to check them out. 

Russ



On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:
Russ,

You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks.  They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair.  They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.

 
Bruce Dunlevy


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Russ Norris
 

Thanks Bruce.  I already have some of their printed rolling stock.  I didn't know they did trucks as well.  And $12 is comparable to the Blackstones.  I will have to check them out. 

Russ



On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:08 PM Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:
Russ,

You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks.  They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair.  They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.

 
Bruce Dunlevy


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

 

Russ,

You might try Western Rails.  They 3D print Vulcan trucks.  They can supply Kadee wheelsets for a total of $12 a pair.  They also have a new 3D printed EBT hopper in seven variations.

 
Bruce Dunlevy


Re: Hon3 sale

Wayne Hoskin
 

Maybe sent to wrong email guys!
 
Wayne from Oz 



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Re: [HOn3] Hon3 sale


 
I sent the check on July 31.  We didn't get confirmation that you cashed it.  The kit arrived here a few days later.  Please advise.
 
Syd
 
On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 4:50:04 PM PDT, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
 
 
Syd contact me I have one In the basement! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694
 
 


Re: LaBelle F&CC kits

Ken Martin
 

John,

What is not apparant from the drawing is that the F&CC car is 40’ long while the D&RG car is 38’.
That makes it hard to mod a D&RG car to F&CC.

Ken Martin


On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:03 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:

Rob

Thanks very much for posting LaBelle F&CC coach & combine instructions.

Looking the drawings over, I believe that the primary difference between LaBelle's D&RGW and F&CC coaches, is the ratio between the window and pillar widths, with the F&CC cars having the higher ratio characteristic of their later construction date. This is probably why the F&CC kits were dropped from the line, since the narrower pillars would have increased the proportion of scrapped car sides. 



Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Russ Norris
 

I wonder if you would be able to produce the Vulcan trucks used on the EBT in HOn3.  The best trucks out there were the Blackstones, but they are hard to find now.  

Russ Norris

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 3:54 PM sydney schofield via groups.io <sydrs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interesting.

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 11:04:25 AM PDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


I’m working thru a production run of Sn2 freight and passenger trucks using my Form3 SLA 3D printing system and was wondering if there is “market demand” for HOn3 printed trucks, primarily aimed at Eastern roads, like EBT and Tweetsie?  I once produced a few HOn3 ET resin kits and finding good-rolling, accurate trucks was always a problem.

 

If you have interest in seeing trucks, such as the McCord style, please contact me off-list with your comments, suggestions, etc.  As a reference, my Sn2 trucks sell for $18/pair including Kadee 718 HOn3 wheelsets and 0-48 screws and are packaged in a foam-lined hinged box for protection.  Trucks without wheelsets sell for $12/pair.  Below is a CAD image of the “Swing Motion” style” Sn2 truck (brake beams are separate parts).  Sideframes, lids and bolster are a single printed part.  Wheelbase is .750”.

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: LaBelle F&CC kits

John Stutz
 

Rob

Thanks very much for posting LaBelle F&CC coach & combine instructions.

Looking the drawings over, I believe that the primary difference between LaBelle's D&RGW and F&CC coaches, is the ratio between the window and pillar widths, with the F&CC cars having the higher ratio characteristic of their later construction date. This is probably why the F&CC kits were dropped from the line, since the narrower pillars would have increased the proportion of scrapped car sides. 

But with your copy of the F&CC drawings, it should be fairly easy to alter LaBelle's D&RGW coach sides to match the F&CC window proportions, by widening the window openings and applying narrower window posts.  I have successfully altered such sides to get the alternating wide and narrow pillar pattern characteristic of Pullman coaches of the 1890s.  It was basically a matter of making styrene cutting guides that fit against the retained wide pillars, and limited my trimming of the narrow pillars.  A pair, for top and bottom window openings, applied right to left on alternate pillars, and then left to right, gave nice square parallel pillars that I never could have managed if cutting freehand.  The key points are that the cutting guide cover the wood to be retained, and that a very sharp blade be used for cutting.  A chisel blade helped prevent overrunning the cut's ends.

John Stutz

On September 22, 2020 at 9:22 AM "Robert Bell via groups.io" <ionhoss@...> wrote:

I KNEW I'd run across the instructions!  here they are scanned at 300dpi, hope this is good enough for y'all.  If not, lemme know and I'll scan at higher quality for you.

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3


Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

sydney schofield
 

Interesting.

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 11:04:25 AM PDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


I’m working thru a production run of Sn2 freight and passenger trucks using my Form3 SLA 3D printing system and was wondering if there is “market demand” for HOn3 printed trucks, primarily aimed at Eastern roads, like EBT and Tweetsie?  I once produced a few HOn3 ET resin kits and finding good-rolling, accurate trucks was always a problem.

 

If you have interest in seeing trucks, such as the McCord style, please contact me off-list with your comments, suggestions, etc.  As a reference, my Sn2 trucks sell for $18/pair including Kadee 718 HOn3 wheelsets and 0-48 screws and are packaged in a foam-lined hinged box for protection.  Trucks without wheelsets sell for $12/pair.  Below is a CAD image of the “Swing Motion” style” Sn2 truck (brake beams are separate parts).  Sideframes, lids and bolster are a single printed part.  Wheelbase is .750”.

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: DC Power Supply Search

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:56, hiroechan <hiroechan@gmail.com> wrote:

At times I miss the TAT-IV I built Way Back When, and the later TAT-V with the walkaround control, both lost during a sequence of moves-of-residence.
I've thought (not too seriously) of upgrading the concept with integrated circuits (12V CMOS for the logic and high-power MOS H-bridges for output) but other matters have pre-allocated the requisite round-tuits.


Re: DC Power Supply Search

hiroechan
 

Back when I was into Ntrak, and before the market really adopted DCC, we used to use these Aristocraft Train Engineer wireless controllers for DC operation:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-Scale-Aristocraft-Train-Engineer-Walk-Around-Control-System-ART-5470/174444700728?hash=item289db6e438:g:w8YAAOSwrTlfZ~sJ

I may still have a few stashed away. 

--Drew McCann


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:36 PM Alan Kilby <alankilby@...> wrote:
I built a power supply in school with walk-around throttle.Remote throttle only required a potentiometer and dpdt switch to change direction I made wood box for switch and potentiometer with 1wire to transformer and the other to track,I used speaker wire because that's what I had,I used it for probably 15 years without problem .At time whole system cost me $7.
Alan


Re: DC Power Supply Search

Alan Kilby
 

I built a power supply in school with walk-around throttle.Remote throttle only required a potentiometer and dpdt switch to change direction I made wood box for switch and potentiometer with 1wire to transformer and the other to track,I used speaker wire because that's what I had,I used it for probably 15 years without problem .At time whole system cost me $7.
Alan


Re: Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Mark Lewis
 

Jim,

Yes...for Blackstone detail and rolling quality HOn3 truck sets, since it does nor appear...in the short term...we will be seeing new or re-runs of the great Blackstone truck sets.
FYI - Western Rails does supply 3D printed HOn3 truck sets. Here is a link to his catalog page that lists them.

Mark Lewis
Narrow Gauge modeling in N.C.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m working thru a production run of Sn2 freight and passenger trucks using my Form3 SLA 3D printing system and was wondering if there is “market demand” for HOn3 printed trucks, primarily aimed at Eastern roads, like EBT and Tweetsie?  I once produced a few HOn3 ET resin kits and finding good-rolling, accurate trucks was always a problem.

 

If you have interest in seeing trucks, such as the McCord style, please contact me off-list with your comments, suggestions, etc.  As a reference, my Sn2 trucks sell for $18/pair including Kadee 718 HOn3 wheelsets and 0-48 screws and are packaged in a foam-lined hinged box for protection.  Trucks without wheelsets sell for $12/pair.  Below is a CAD image of the “Swing Motion” style” Sn2 truck (brake beams are separate parts).  Sideframes, lids and bolster are a single printed part.  Wheelbase is .750”.

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


Is there market "demand" for 3D printed HOn3 trucks?

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

I’m working thru a production run of Sn2 freight and passenger trucks using my Form3 SLA 3D printing system and was wondering if there is “market demand” for HOn3 printed trucks, primarily aimed at Eastern roads, like EBT and Tweetsie?  I once produced a few HOn3 ET resin kits and finding good-rolling, accurate trucks was always a problem.

 

If you have interest in seeing trucks, such as the McCord style, please contact me off-list with your comments, suggestions, etc.  As a reference, my Sn2 trucks sell for $18/pair including Kadee 718 HOn3 wheelsets and 0-48 screws and are packaged in a foam-lined hinged box for protection.  Trucks without wheelsets sell for $12/pair.  Below is a CAD image of the “Swing Motion” style” Sn2 truck (brake beams are separate parts).  Sideframes, lids and bolster are a single printed part.  Wheelbase is .750”.

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: DC Power Supply Search

Bob Burgoyne
 

Earl,

Just in case you wish to use the MRC Controlmaster 20, I have one unused NIB purchased for my layout. I bought at list price $249. I soon after was exposed to DCC and went that route. Willing to part with the system for $125 plus shipping. (A bit heavy) Ask Mr Google for details. Its a robust unit.

If interested, email me off list and we can connect. Best!
Bob Burgoyne
h (zero) n (three) bob @ yah**.com


Re: DC Power Supply Search

David Laverick
 

Asked Digitrax today and this was their response:

Dear david laverick,

Hello David,

Both the Zephyr Express and Evolution Express Starter Sets will let you run analog decoders on address 00. The Zephyr Express will allow hookup of (2) DC power packs to use as extra throttles.

Please note that all tickets are Administratively Closed after a response is made. If further communication is required, please reopen the tickeinstead of creating a new one.



Your The Digitrax Help Desk Team,

On Sep 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Gordon <boomer1944@...> wrote:

Dave,
Sell ? Oh NO! ... one I use for my HOn30 portion of my layout. The other is for a future(?) switching set of modules using DC. I have some nice brass locos and others not converted to DCC I painted and detailed years ago... can't do that anymore. The throttles are still in excellent condition... keepers.

Gordon

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