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Re: De-spruing brass brake wheels

kevin b
 

so,,,,, i'm a gear head from back in the day.
made a BUNCH of my own gaskets.
i have a slew of hole punches in all kinds of sizes.
i BETCHA' one of 'em would fit the brake wheel you're talking about.
so, is there a harbor freight anywhere near you?
might be worth a drive to pick up a set of hole punches.
who knows, you might get lucky, and at the price they'll be, maybe get a couple sets and "work" on one till it is dead on the exact size you want.
just an idea.
good luck.
Kevin.

On Saturday, October 3, 2020, 04:59:25 PM CDT, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:


Gone are the days of de-sprued brake wheels. I bet PSC used to have a punch to free these little, fragile parts. Here's my current method. I securely and carefully hold the part in my soft jawed vise. I then very carefully cut the outer ring in five places between the 'gates' using a Mototool with a cutoff disk. Grab the outer ring with a pliers and gently bend back and forth until the gate fatigues off. Then I finish the rim with 400 or 500 wet or dry.


De-spruing brass brake wheels

Dusty
 

Gone are the days of de-sprued brake wheels. I bet PSC used to have a punch to free these little, fragile parts. Here's my current method. I securely and carefully hold the part in my soft jawed vise. I then very carefully cut the outer ring in five places between the 'gates' using a Mototool with a cutoff disk. Grab the outer ring with a pliers and gently bend back and forth until the gate fatigues off. Then I finish the rim with 400 or 500 wet or dry.


Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Climax@...
 

Could it be used to drain condensation or water from an airline in the winter so it did not freeze up?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

John

No idea why it was there unless it was some sort of bleed valve, but both 20 and 461 had them and they’re rarely if ever modelled.

Mick

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On 3 Oct 2020, at 19:27, john.stutz@... wrote:

 Mick

Now I am curious: You have plug valve on a pipe adjacent to an air tank. Presumably it has something to do with the air brake system. So what is on the other end of that pipe? And what is the valve used for?

John Stutz

On October 3, 2020 at 6:31 AM Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

QuickPic RGS 20 P 60
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My second attempt model
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Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Mick Moignard
 

John

No idea why it was there unless it was some sort of bleed valve, but both 20 and 461 had them and they’re rarely if ever modelled.

Mick

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On 3 Oct 2020, at 19:27, john.stutz@... wrote:

 Mick

Now I am curious: You have plug valve on a pipe adjacent to an air tank. Presumably it has something to do with the air brake system. So what is on the other end of that pipe? And what is the valve used for?

John Stutz

On October 3, 2020 at 6:31 AM Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

QuickPic RGS 20 P 60
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My second attempt model
<image1.jpeg>


Mick
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Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

John Stutz
 

Mick

Now I am curious: You have plug valve on a pipe adjacent to an air tank. Presumably it has something to do with the air brake system. So what is on the other end of that pipe? And what is the valve used for?

John Stutz

On October 3, 2020 at 6:31 AM Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

QuickPic RGS 20 P 60
My second attempt model

Mick
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Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Mark Rosche
 

Mick,

Many thanks for the info and pics!!!!

Regards,

Mark

Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....

On 3. Oct 2020, at 15:31, Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

QuickPic RGS 20 P 60
<image0.jpeg>

My second attempt model
<image1.jpeg>


Mick
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Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Mick Moignard
 

QuickPic RGS 20 P 60
My second attempt model

Mick
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Re: RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Mick Moignard
 

Mark

Yes, it’s wrong.  The rearward pipe does not go into the tank. The Pruitt drawing in Silver San Juan is wrong.

I’ll send some photos...

Mick

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Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Lee Gustafson
 

Looks good.

Lee Gustafson 


On Oct 2, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

The view. Sorry I'm too lazy to drag out the old 40D, Macro lens and Leds stands.


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Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Dusty
 

The view. Sorry I'm too lazy to drag out the old 40D, Macro lens and Leds stands.



Re: Grab iron spacing from body

John Stutz
 

Dusty

Ladders & Handholds (clearance): 2 1/2" preferred, no maximum, 2" minimum.. Taken from ARA Safety Appliance Standards, Plates C - R,printed in the 19125 Car Builders Cyclopedia on pp 959-978,and reproduced in Tran Shed Cyclopedia #68. This one applies to all car types, and all constructions of ladders and handholds.

I understand that the ARA standards are the railroad's explication of the ICC safety standards of circa 1910.

John Stutz

On October 1, 2020 at 5:26 PM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:

I've been setting my grab irons out from the box car car sides using .030 x .060 styrene strip in various lengths for spacers. According to the chart on the Evergreen package that's 2 5/8 ". Does that sound about right?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707

 


Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Climax@...
 

Now are you talking about flat, split, rippled washes or a set of both washer and dryer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Oct 2, 2020 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] Grab iron spacing from body

Thank you to everyone who contributed! I'm throwing caution to the wind and sticking with .030 until I can count the exposed threads and determine washer type.

Dusty Burman
623 261 8707


Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Climax@...
 

After checking my hand grabs with my friendly feeler gauge I out it in my pocket when I went out. I stopped in to grab a bite to eat and got slapped when I took my feeler gauge out! Be careful out there, its a strange world when everyone wants to prejudge how your going use your feeler gauge especially in public!

-----Original Message-----
From: rick@urbaneagle.com
Sent: Oct 2, 2020 11:44 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Grab iron spacing from body

My proto info says 2.5" clearance. Too long ago to remember where I got
that info. Doubt that anyone will be over with an .029" feeler gauge to
check. That .030 sounds fine to me.

Rick







RGS #20. Was: [HOn3] Division Point K-27 question

Mark Rosche
 

So this is incorrect?



Regards,

Mark

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On 2. Oct 2020, at 18:00, Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

The issue with the DP 461 is that both models are wrong.  

The RGS version doesn’t have the prominent pipe that ran up the RH side of the tender and terminated in a shutoff valve.  Nobody has ever modelled this correctly, not DP, not Blackstone, not PSC in the 1992 run. PSC did attempt it on the mid80s detail update they did on the Westside K27, the two cab version, but they bent the pipe over into the top of the tender instead of terminating it at the shutoff valve.  BTW everyone whose done RGS 20 has also got the same error; late on it also had a pipe up the rear half of the RH side of the tender that ended in a shutoff valve. NG Pictorial V1 p39 shows 461s tender, and the RGS 20 Quick pic book shows the valve on RGS20s tender.

The D&RGW version of 461 has the wrong steps at the tender front.  There was a period when the tender had some strap steps at the front, see NG Pictorial V11 pages 96 and 97.  See also on P97 that it has a tiny Flying Rio Grande on the cab, instead of D&RGW. I have seen these strap steps on one model, PBLs hybrid 461, but on their RGS version, which should have had the traditional steps. And that Sn3 RGS 461 is still missing the pipe up the RH side.

Ah well.  And don’t get me started on the DP 36/37 errors, including a completely wrong tender on 492.

Mick

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Re: Division Point K-27 question

Mick Moignard
 

The issue with the DP 461 is that both models are wrong.  

The RGS version doesn’t have the prominent pipe that ran up the RH side of the tender and terminated in a shutoff valve.  Nobody has ever modelled this correctly, not DP, not Blackstone, not PSC in the 1992 run. PSC did attempt it on the mid80s detail update they did on the Westside K27, the two cab version, but they bent the pipe over into the top of the tender instead of terminating it at the shutoff valve.  BTW everyone whose done RGS 20 has also got the same error; late on it also had a pipe up the rear half of the RH side of the tender that ended in a shutoff valve. NG Pictorial V1 p39 shows 461s tender, and the RGS 20 Quick pic book shows the valve on RGS20s tender.

The D&RGW version of 461 has the wrong steps at the tender front.  There was a period when the tender had some strap steps at the front, see NG Pictorial V11 pages 96 and 97.  See also on P97 that it has a tiny Flying Rio Grande on the cab, instead of D&RGW. I have seen these strap steps on one model, PBLs hybrid 461, but on their RGS version, which should have had the traditional steps. And that Sn3 RGS 461 is still missing the pipe up the RH side.

Ah well.  And don’t get me started on the DP 36/37 errors, including a completely wrong tender on 492.

Mick

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Re: Grab iron spacing from body

rick@...
 

My proto info says 2.5" clearance. Too long ago to remember where I got that info. Doubt that anyone will be over with an .029" feeler gauge to check. That .030 sounds fine to me.

Rick


Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Dusty
 

Thank you to everyone who contributed! I'm throwing caution to the wind and sticking with .030 until I can count the exposed threads and determine washer type.

Dusty Burman
623 261 8707


Re: Division Point K-27 question

k27bry
 

Thanks for the responses guys . I think the good thing is that sooner or later Jack will see enough demand to re-run the 27/28 . Hate to think how many of the Alco RS's were just made and some of those versions were repeated within months when more people wanted them . Different topic , but I just mentioned to him it would be nice to see a run of the RG / RGS flangers ( OC, OD etc ) as PBL has done in Sn3 . 


Re: Division Point K-27 question

Scott McLeod
 

At the time of the release of Division Points K-27 and K-28s, I was unaware of Division Point as an importer.  Thankfully I learned about them in time to find both a K-28 and K-27 to purchase.  Since I model the RGS and D&RGW circa 1938-1942, the K-27 I was after was #461 in the D&RGW livery.  I wasn’t able to locate one, so I contacted DP and Jack V informed me that there were only 3 of the 25 models painted in the D&RGW livery.  So, I settled on purchasing a #461 in the RGS Sunrise herald thinking that someday, I would re-letter it in the D&RGW scheme.

 

Well, with the Blackstone release of K-27s, that day never came as I picked up a Blackstone #461.  So my DP #461 is still in its original paint scheme…

 

I continued to watch for a DP #461 in the D&RGW livery.  This past year one became available on brasstrains.com.  It sold in a flash.

 

Scott McLeod

HOn3 RGS/D&RGW Ridgway -  Durango


Re: Grab iron spacing from body

Climax@...
 

Since when are we talking about the weather with bolts of what, lightning?

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Oct 1, 2020 11:49 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Grab iron spacing from body

How many threads should show on bolts would be the next critical issue to resolve.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:47 PM lloyd lehrer via groups.io <lloydlehrer=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I concur between 2.96" and 3.04" depending on stamped washers or cast washers.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 7:59 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
I think it looks better at 2 15/16ths

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Oct 1, 2020 8:26 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Grab iron spacing from body

I've been setting my grab irons out from the box car car sides using .030 x .060 styrene strip in various lengths for spacers. According to the chart on the Evergreen package that's 2 5/8 ". Does that sound about right?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707

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