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Re: was Super Glue aka CAin now soldering iron

Bill Lugg
 

It would have to be.  That thing would vaporize our decoders.  :o)

Bill

On 4/3/21 10:55 PM, Mike Conder wrote:
For the 1:1 scale, locos, right Bill?

Mike Conder

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 1:06 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net <mailto:luggw1@risebroadband.net>> wrote:

This is what I use to solder decoder wires...  ;o)

Bill Lugg



On 4/3/21 10:53 AM, Mike Conder wrote:
> I have an Antex iron based on Mark’s suggestion and really like it,
> highly recommended!  Not just for welding coupler boxes but it’s
great
> for decoder and other small wire installations.
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@kaspro.net
<mailto:mark@kaspro.net>
> <mailto:mark@kaspro.net <mailto:mark@kaspro.net>>> wrote:
>
>     The trouble you American have is everything has to be big,
>     including soldering irons. I use UK based Antex irons which are
>     available in the US with a 1mm. bit to weld the two tabs at the
>     back of 714's. Do not need to heat weld anything else.
you're only
>     looking at holding the whole together until the screw goes
in. No,
>     you do not need a special bit to do this, any residual
plastic can
>     be wiped off with a paper towel.
>
>     Mark K
>
> --
> Mike Conder
>






Re: was Super Glue aka CAin now soldering iron

Mike Conder
 

For the 1:1 scale, locos, right Bill?

Mike Conder

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 1:06 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This is what I use to solder decoder wires...  ;o)

Bill Lugg



On 4/3/21 10:53 AM, Mike Conder wrote:
> I have an Antex iron based on Mark’s suggestion and really like it,
> highly recommended!  Not just for welding coupler boxes but it’s great
> for decoder and other small wire installations.
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...
> <mailto:mark@...>> wrote:
>
>     The trouble you American have is everything has to be big,
>     including soldering irons. I use UK based Antex irons which are
>     available in the US with a 1mm. bit to weld the two tabs at the
>     back of 714's. Do not need to heat weld anything else. you're only
>     looking at holding the whole together until the screw goes in. No,
>     you do not need a special bit to do this, any residual plastic can
>     be wiped off with a paper towel.
>
>     Mark K
>
> --
> Mike Conder
>






Re: Super Glue aka CA

leakinmywaders
 

There's a high-quality ACC relative call Cyanopoxy that will glue stuff to Delrin, including Delrin to Delrin, with some success. I also use it a lot when gluing plastic, plastic to wood, or plastic to metal. I also use it when I need to do a metal to metal bond that's beyond my (not very formidable) soldering skills. It's a medium-thick viscosity and cure time relative to the better-known ACC varieties, though you can get a nearly instant bond with an aerosol acetone kicker.  

https://www.mrhobby.com/store.php/MikeRoseHobbies/pg10120/cypox-tips-amp-techniques

Don't buy large quantities for modeling use; our applications take very little of the stuff, and the shelf life is not great after opening, though it's better than all but the most expensive, premium quality cyanoacrylates. 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Bill Mugford
 

OK...

I’ve had the best success assembling 713 and 714 couplers by wrapping small bits of really good tape around the coupler box after it is assembled.

When you screw the assembled coupler onto your car, it won’t come apart.

This probably doesn’t feel permanent, but I have no failures.

Good luck!

Bill Mugford
Phone

On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:


I started using KaDee couplers in 1977 and have never used any means of adhesion, chemical or heat, and have never had any trouble.  That is what the screw is for.  I have used CA in the screw hole a few times when the hole hole has worn itself slightly larger, but only to help secure the screw in place.


--
Wayne Taylor


Re: was Super Glue aka CAin now soldering iron

Bill Lugg
 

This is what I use to solder decoder wires...  ;o)

Bill Lugg

On 4/3/21 10:53 AM, Mike Conder wrote:
I have an Antex iron based on Mark’s suggestion and really like it, highly recommended!  Not just for welding coupler boxes but it’s great for decoder and other small wire installations.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@kaspro.net <mailto:mark@kaspro.net>> wrote:

The trouble you American have is everything has to be big,
including soldering irons. I use UK based Antex irons which are
available in the US with a 1mm. bit to weld the two tabs at the
back of 714's. Do not need to heat weld anything else. you're only
looking at holding the whole together until the screw goes in. No,
you do not need a special bit to do this, any residual plastic can
be wiped off with a paper towel.

Mark K
--
Mike Conder


Re: was Super Glue aka CAin now soldering iron

Mike Conder
 

I have an Antex iron based on Mark’s suggestion and really like it, highly recommended!  Not just for welding coupler boxes but it’s great for decoder and other small wire installations. 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
The trouble you American have is everything has to be big, including soldering irons. I use UK based Antex irons which are available in the US with a 1mm. bit to weld the two tabs at the back of 714's. Do not need to heat weld anything else. you're only looking at holding the whole together until the screw goes in. No, you do not need a special bit to do this, any residual plastic can be wiped off with a paper towel.

Mark K

--
Mike Conder


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Dusty
 

I prefer a cautery pen or a wax carver. A bit easier to control and locate your weld.

Google 'cautery pen battery'.

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Nigel Phillips
 

Same here, CA will just freeze everything solid if it gets inside. If you must glue the lid, use some Testor thin plastic cement applied with a fine brush over the joint.

Nigel gel


On Friday, April 2, 2021, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:
I started using KaDee couplers in 1977 and have never used any means of adhesion, chemical or heat, and have never had any trouble.  That is what the screw is for.  I have used CA in the screw hole a few times when the hole hole has worn itself slightly larger, but only to help secure the screw in place.


--
Wayne Taylor


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Nigel Phillips
 

Hi Bill,

Comes in various types - thin, medium, thick, gel viscosity. This is generally is in order of setting time - fast, medium, slow, slower.  CA does not like lateral shear forces. CA also goes off quite quickly, especially if there is high humidity. Buy it in small quantities, and storing in the fridge after opening is recommended, keep out of reach of small hands. Accelerant is just alkaline water, breathing on the join works just as well. Even with thick or gel CA there is very little tack time, none with the thin type. Rule of thumb (for me) is thin for adding detail, medium for joints, thick or gel for wood. 

Make sure the surfaces are dust and grease free. For metal a wash in scent-free dishwashing liquid followed by some keying with 400-600 paper and a further rinse with hot water followed by a wipe with IPA when dry works for me. Wood can by iffy, use thick or gel, otherwise it soaks into the fibers too fast. Use plastic spring clamps for wood when possible. Use CA especially formulated for plastics or styrene foam. Otherwise you may just end up with holes. That said, a very small drop of fast CA usually does no damage. 

I have used CA to build white metal models and brass models (yes, it can replace solder), wooden models (bridges trestles, platforms), and have used it successfully with difficult plastics such as 3D prints where the polymer is inert. Keying the surfaces is essential with the latter.

Wear eye protection and gloves. Getting it off fingers is ok (use acetone), in the eyes means an expensive trip to the nearest medical emergency department. The fumes are dangerous. Do not use large quantities without a chemical respirator mask. 

One drop or thin layer on the surface or in the hole, hold together for the required time, let go. I use a bit of scrap P/B wire to apply a very small drop of thin when adding details to a model. Place a drop from the bottle on aluminum foil, dip the wire in that, not directly from the bottle.

I use Bob Smith Industries CA. There are many other suppliers. There is even one type with rubber in it which has a bit of flexibility.
 
Working with an already painted model will often generate a bloom. This is from the vapor. Use a small fan blowing across the work away from you. Otherwise it's a repaint.

Nigel


On Friday, April 2, 2021, cmdrwmriker <banjobill@q.com> wrote:

Okay, my ignorance/experience/knowledge/ego is out there with this post.  I have a difficult time with CA.  I do not understand the various "types", if indeed there are multiple types; I do not know where to get a supply of the different types.  I do not know when to use what type.  I do not know how best to apply it.  I do not know the characteristics of the various types.  In a nutshell, "I know nothing!" (with appropriate apologies to Hogan's Heroes).  This is a small group so I decided to stick my neck out.  Can anyone give me a lesson in written form on "CA glue for Dummies?"
Thanks and yes, all barbs, arrows, zingers, cuts, etc are welcome.

Really, thank you I know someone out there can help me out.  

Oh, I was assembling some Kadee 714 couplers and finally decided some education may be in order.  
be cool
bill marshall


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Climax@...
 

Actually l;it works great at gluing parts to our fingers or if you remove glue caps with you teeth, gluing the cap to your lip.  One very IMPOTRANT thing about that.....never put debonder on your lip to get it off, your lip will sell up to 2 to 3 times is normal size.  Gee, I wonder how I know that. hahahhaahah

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Apr 2, 2021 10:02 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Super Glue aka CA

  The Alphacyanoacrylate glues  were originally for gluing tissue together inside humans.
So naturally they stick to our fingers much better than any models.
Dewey AZ Steve


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Steve Hatch
 

  The Alphacyanoacrylate glues  were originally for gluing tissue together inside humans.
So naturally they stick to our fingers much better than any models.
Dewey AZ Steve


Re: Super Glue aka CA

rick@...
 

Sorry, my pinky finger is always messing with the caps lock button. Ignore the emphasis. :o}

Rick

Just heat a straight pin over a candle flame and it is enough to melt the plastic. Don't need to USE A SOLDERING IRON.


Re: Super Glue aka CA

rick@...
 

Just heat a straight pin over a candle flame and it is enough to melt the plastic. Don't need to USE A SOLDERING IRON.

Rick

I will admit, though, that I hesitate to corrupt my soldering iron tip-in fact, I will use an old iron I have-may even file a tip just for this purpose


Re: Super Glue aka CA

cmdrwmriker
 

Here is a Chili Line consist complete with new Kadee soldering iron welded acetal plastic couplers (except for the Blackstone coach).

----- Original Message -----
From: cmdrwmriker <banjobill@q.com>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HOn3] Super Glue aka CA

Okay, my ignorance/experience/knowledge/ego is out there with this post.  I have a difficult time with CA.  I do not understand the various "types", if indeed there are multiple types; I do not know where to get a supply of the different types.  I do not know when to use what type.  I do not know how best to apply it.  I do not know the characteristics of the various types.  In a nutshell, "I know nothing!" (with appropriate apologies to Hogan's Heroes).  This is a small group so I decided to stick my neck out.  Can anyone give me a lesson in written form on "CA glue for Dummies?"
Thanks and yes, all barbs, arrows, zingers, cuts, etc are welcome.


Really, thank you I know someone out there can help me out.  


Oh, I was assembling some Kadee 714 couplers and finally decided some education may be in order.  
be cool
bill marshall




Re: Super Glue aka CA

LARRY KLOSE
 

Here's a good primer on super glue, its uses, storage, etc. It's from a
musical instrument tool and repair site but it's good general knowledge.
https://www.stewmac.com/video-and-ideas/online-resources/learn-about-repair-
tools-and-repair-techniques/stewart-macdonald-super-glues.html.
ACC products are generally the same, regardless of the label although the
stuff from discounters is sometimes of lower quality.

I get my super glue and a number of other tools from this company. Good
stuff, a lot is useful for model work as well as instrument repair.

Larry


Re: Repair Services

Mick Moignard
 

Curious,  what additional DCC work are you looking to have done on a Blackstone C-19?

Mick

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Re: Repair Services

John
 

Kevin Honda does great work. He's works at Arnies models train store in Southern California.
John

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:40 AM, Mike Mackey via groups.io
<Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:
I’ve used Dr. Tom O’Hara as well. Fantastic guy and superior repair work. Really a true narrow gauge guy as well. 

Mike

On Apr 2, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Frank Smelt Jr <frank.smelt@...> wrote:



Looking for someone to do some additional DCC work on my Blackstone C19.    Any recommendations?

 

Thanks

 

Frank


--
Mike “Rustler” Mackey


Re: Repair Services

Mike Mackey
 

I’ve used Dr. Tom O’Hara as well. Fantastic guy and superior repair work. Really a true narrow gauge guy as well. 

Mike

On Apr 2, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Frank Smelt Jr <frank.smelt@...> wrote:



Looking for someone to do some additional DCC work on my Blackstone C19.    Any recommendations?

 

Thanks

 

Frank


--
Mike “Rustler” Mackey


Re: Repair Services

Mike Mc
 

I use https://www.scalebrassmechanic.com/ and he is certified as a Blackstone technician as well.  He does amazing work.  His name is Fuzzy, and he also participates in our club shows.

Mike McCarville


Re: Super Glue aka CA

Keith Wiseman
 

Kadee coupler boxes are made from Delrin. ACC or CA glues will not stick to delrin. Best method is to assemble the coupler in the jig and use a pencil soldering iron at the 3 joint points (2 front and 1 rear)  and lightly melt the plastic together at those points.  That is how the factory assembles ones are done.     Keith

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