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Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

 

Don’t forget Durango &Silverton has some now.

Bruce Dunlevy 


On Jul 9, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Mick Moignard <mick@...> wrote:

I think one needs to consider whether a run of WP&Y diesels in HOn3 would sell around 1000 items (minimum)?  If not, then it’s not going to happen.  Even if they were to do them also in fantasy Rio Grande, RGS, EBT or Tweetsie liveries, I doubt that there are enough buyers.

But I could be wrong.  I hope I am, but I rather doubt it. 

Mick

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Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

Mick Moignard
 

I think one needs to consider whether a run of WP&Y diesels in HOn3 would sell around 1000 items (minimum)?  If not, then it’s not going to happen.  Even if they were to do them also in fantasy Rio Grande, RGS, EBT or Tweetsie liveries, I doubt that there are enough buyers.

But I could be wrong.  I hope I am, but I rather doubt it. 

Mick

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Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

Zach Pabis
 

For those curious, I'm working on a few of WP&Y diesels for a customer. This DL535e is mostly 3D printed on a narrowed Kato RSD chassis. The customer really wanted to use this chassis so the model is a little oversize, but otherwise pretty spot on. These are definitely not RTR and I probably won't make any more, but I think this is how the future of the hobby will look. With waning interest for narrow gauge stuff, modellers will be turning to modern digital manufacturing technologies to help them build models themselves. I would like to see more drive components though, as you can't really print that. I will be selling the 3D files for this and a scale version of the shell on my website soon.

-Zach

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 1:45 PM Geodyssey <east@...> wrote:
I also read that article and I agree that not only narrow gauge diesels are needed, but small locos (less than 80 tons) would also be welcome in standard gauge.

The EMD G8, 12, 16 series works for both.

Approx zero chance Rapido will not be doing a NG diesel. Looking at their poorly rendered PA-1, that's a good thing.

On the other hand, this 3D-printed narrow gauge box cab diesel was made using a $300 home printer on a Bachmann 45-ton side rod chassis.  It was one of the creator's first projects yet it's VERY well done.  The sheet metal sides are completely smooth, no "stripes" from the printing process.  It's nicer than many injection molded styrene models.

"Part 2: Building a 3D Printed AGEIR Style 45 Ton Boxcab Diesel With Side Rods In Hon3"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCo-bpQjB8M

Rob Simpson



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Art,

Yes..I did read the Perspective article in the July issue of RMC.

My mind went directly to thinking of the various White Pass & Yukon diesel locomotives that could be produced in RTR HOn3.
Now...will someone at Rapido or Scale Trains, see the business viability of actually producing such locomotives?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

jmcqiv@...
 

When I applied in the 60s the NMRA sent me a standards gauge and hard copy’s of the standards and recommended practices all of which I still have that will go in a dumpster when I take my last trip. 
Jim McQueeny MMR 477


On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:17 PM, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


just us old farts remember.
Lloyd Lehrer, 310 9519097


On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:23 AM Dusty via groups.io <Dustburm=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
When I first joined the NMRA in 1965 or 1966 my primary scale/guage was Hon3 and the NMRA sent me a square Hon3 standards guage. it was 5/8" square, more or less. Anyone remember those?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


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lloyd lehrer


Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

Geodyssey
 

I also read that article and I agree that not only narrow gauge diesels are needed, but small locos (less than 80 tons) would also be welcome in standard gauge.

The EMD G8, 12, 16 series works for both.

Approx zero chance Rapido will not be doing a NG diesel. Looking at their poorly rendered PA-1, that's a good thing.

On the other hand, this 3D-printed narrow gauge box cab diesel was made using a $300 home printer on a Bachmann 45-ton side rod chassis.  It was one of the creator's first projects yet it's VERY well done.  The sheet metal sides are completely smooth, no "stripes" from the printing process.  It's nicer than many injection molded styrene models.

"Part 2: Building a 3D Printed AGEIR Style 45 Ton Boxcab Diesel With Side Rods In Hon3"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCo-bpQjB8M

Rob Simpson



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Art,

Yes..I did read the Perspective article in the July issue of RMC.

My mind went directly to thinking of the various White Pass & Yukon diesel locomotives that could be produced in RTR HOn3.
Now...will someone at Rapido or Scale Trains, see the business viability of actually producing such locomotives?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

lloyd lehrer
 

just us old farts remember.
Lloyd Lehrer, 310 9519097


On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:23 AM Dusty via groups.io <Dustburm=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
When I first joined the NMRA in 1965 or 1966 my primary scale/guage was Hon3 and the NMRA sent me a square Hon3 standards guage. it was 5/8" square, more or less. Anyone remember those?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


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lloyd lehrer


Re: NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

Climax@...
 

Yup, I got one still!

Dave

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Subject: Re: [HOn3] NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

 

When I first joined the NMRA in 1965 or 1966 my primary scale/guage was Hon3 and the NMRA sent me a square Hon3 standards guage. it was 5/8" square, more or less. Anyone remember those?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707

 


Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

John Stutz
 

Art

Wuiske Models offers 5 different HOm (12mm gauge) RTR Queensland Railways diesels, all with a strong EMD look.  I have not determined how difficult it is to re-gauge them to 10.5mm.

i have seen a 3-D printed body shells for a number of EMD export locomotives offered by South American sources, but have not been able to find the web site.  There are also a few on Shapeways, possibly a GT-22 C.

John Stutz

On July 8, 2022 10:16 PM Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:


Art,

Yes..I did read the Perspective article in the July issue of RMC.

My mind went directly to thinking of the various White Pass & Yukon diesel locomotives that could be produced in RTR HOn3.
Now...will someone at Rapido or Scale Trains, see the business viability of actually producing such locomotives?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

Dusty
 

When I first joined the NMRA in 1965 or 1966 my primary scale/guage was Hon3 and the NMRA sent me a square Hon3 standards guage. it was 5/8" square, more or less. Anyone remember those?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


Re: NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

Nigel Phillips
 

Mk III for HOn3, Mk IV or V for other scale/gauges. The NMRA haven't updated their HOn3 gauge...yet. Not that it should make any difference, as the physical.distances are set in the standards. Ask the NMRA if unsure.

Nigel


On Saturday, July 9, 2022, Dusty via groups.io <Dustburm=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
Recent Ebay purchase. NMRA Packaging said MK IV, Guage said MK III. I get that Ebay is the mail order Wild West. Somewhere between buyer beware and duck and cover but was there an actual MK IV Hon3 guage? My 3 guages are all MK III but that doesn't mean much, does it?

Help?
Dusty Burman
623 261-8707 


NMRA Hon3 Mark IV Standards Guage

Dusty
 

Recent Ebay purchase. NMRA Packaging said MK IV, Guage said MK III. I get that Ebay is the mail order Wild West. Somewhere between buyer beware and duck and cover but was there an actual MK IV Hon3 guage? My 3 guages are all MK III but that doesn't mean much, does it?

Help?
Dusty Burman
623 261-8707 


Re: July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

Mark Lewis
 

Art,

Yes..I did read the Perspective article in the July issue of RMC.

My mind went directly to thinking of the various White Pass & Yukon diesel locomotives that could be produced in RTR HOn3.
Now...will someone at Rapido or Scale Trains, see the business viability of actually producing such locomotives?

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


July RMC Editorial on NG diesels

Art Rogers
 

Anyone read the Perspective page in the July RMC? Interesting piece about export locos in narrow gauges and making them in ready to run. 

Be still my beating heart. A GA8 for my Caribbean railroad? Gasp! I'm already working on masters for ex ICRA equipment, having to not engineer power would be shocking. Probably not but I would be in for a few. 

Kel  


WTB-Drop Bottom Gondola

RGSFAN
 

Hi all,
Looking for 8-10 Drop Bottom Gondola kits.  Grandtline, R. Robb kits would be preferred (at reasonable prices) of course....If you have a few kits that are just sitting collecting dust, I'd like to offer them a new home and a job hauling coal and rock. 
Thanks to all
John Miller
Carlsbad, CA. 92008


Re: Clear Creek line bridges

Dave Eggleston
 

John,

It sounds like you have at least a partial list of bridges that indicates decimal bridge numbers in the 1930s? I don't have that list, would love to see it. 

The key would be to find a C&S Bridges & Buildings book for both the c1900 and c1930 periods. CSRM may have such a beast in its archives.

Original CCRR numbering (1872) was sequential from Golden to Black Hawk, starting at 1 and getting to 69 over a 20 mile run. They were renumbered 601 (in Golden) to 653 (in Black Hawk) in 1886 (UP), not related to mileage. For example, 644 through 651 all happen between mile 20 and mile 21 from Golden. I know, from the newspapers, that constant realignment was happening between Forks and Golden in the 1800s due to flooding, etc., and likely bridges or culverts came and went in that process.

From Forks Creek the line to Floyd Hill in 1872 and then extended to Georgetown in 1877 and to Graymont in 1884, the original 1872 numbering started at 1 with the first bridge over South Clear Creek at Forks and then ran sequentially to bridge 38 at Graymont. These bridges were renumbered 701 to 742 in 1886, again sequentially, not related to mileage. Note the numbers were in a different series than the north fork--perhaps so each had a unique identifying range.

On that point, I do have some of the UP Bridge & Building book for 1886 covering the South Park and they did something similar, sequentially numbering bridges from Nathrop to Baldwin (the Gunnison District line west of Buena Vista) from 1 to 53 over some 90-ish miles. These were renumbered 1165 to 1226 in 1886 by the UP. The UP began to classify things such as engines and cars into number groups by railroad and type in 1885, an attempt to bring sanity to the system, so I suspect at that time they were looking at major divisions across the system and assigning blocks of numbers for bridges and stations to each division. A theory.

In later years the bridge numbers may or may not shift over time as things came and went, despite what seems logical to us. I don't know the WP&Y but I do know that differing railroads had their own ways of doing things. The WP&Y may have looked at finances differently in the 1930s than the C&S narrow gauge which already had been in the extended throes of abandonment attempts for two decades. The C&S was pretty stingy anyway, and they didn't spend money, any money, unless it paid back, even on the standard gauge. I could see them adding a decimal point to number if something new was added between existing bridges (such as new culvert 153.5 between bridges 153 and 154), but if omitting a structure I could also see the number just disappearing and nothing else changing.

Dave

On Thursday, July 7, 2022, 01:14:12 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Dave

We shall see.  If Colorado Central bridge numbering was decimal mileage based, as on the C&S in the 1930s, then the number cannot change much as smaller bridges get culverts and are filled in.  If it is sequential, or merely in-mile sequential as on the WP&Y, then numbers do shift as lower numbered ones are eliminated. 

John


Re: Clear Creek line bridges

John Stutz
 

Dave

We shall see.  If Colorado Central bridge numbering was decimal mileage based, as on the C&S in the 1930s, then the number cannot change much as smaller bridges get culverts and are filled in.  If it is sequential, or merely in-mile sequential as on the WP&Y, then numbers do shift as lower numbered ones are eliminated. 

John

On July 7, 2022 10:30 AM Dave Eggleston via groups.io < degg13@...> wrote:


One caveat: I just relooked at Abbott's book and the tables give original 1872 and later 1886 numbers. It doesn't give any indication of if the numbers changed under the C&S or if they were retained to the end.

So I can't say for certain now if it answers your question.

Dave

On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:58 AM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:


Thanks Dave

Abbott & McCoy sounds like just what I need.

John Stutz



Re: Clear Creek line bridges

Dave Eggleston
 

One caveat: I just relooked at Abbott's book and the tables give original 1872 and later 1886 numbers. It doesn't give any indication of if the numbers changed under the C&S or if they were retained to the end.

So I can't say for certain now if it answers your question.

Dave

On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:58 AM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Thanks Dave

Abbott & McCoy sounds like just what I need.

John Stutz


Re: Clear Creek line bridges

John Stutz
 

Thanks Dave

Abbott & McCoy sounds like just what I need.

John Stutz

On July 6, 2022 12:35 AM Dave Eggleston via groups.io <degg13@...> wrote:



Abbott and McCoy's book on the Colorado Central Railroad has lists of the bridges for the entire line, with original and later numbers given and photos of many of them taken in the post WWI period. 

Also, the CRRM has the ICC maps available for the full Clear Creek line as a big rolled up group. Worth the price. 

Dave Eggleston

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 11:18:38 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Can anyone point me to a listing of the bridges and their lengths, on the C&S Clear Creek line in the late 1930's?

John Stutz


Re: Clear Creek line bridges

Dave Eggleston
 

Abbott and McCoy's book on the Colorado Central Railroad has lists of the bridges for the entire line, with original and later numbers given and photos of many of them taken in the post WWI period. 

Also, the CRRM has the ICC maps available for the full Clear Creek line as a big rolled up group. Worth the price. 

Dave Eggleston

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 11:18:38 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Can anyone point me to a listing of the bridges and their lengths, on the C&S Clear Creek line in the late 1930's?

John Stutz


Clear Creek line bridges

John Stutz
 

Can anyone point me to a listing of the bridges and their lengths, on the C&S Clear Creek line in the late 1930's?

I am aware that History Colorado has the Alignment and RoW maps for Forks - Idaho Springs (1930) and Golden - Blackhawk (1939), and that this information will be on those maps, but I am not too keen on flying to Denver to examine 20+' long linen maps.  A list of the bridges by their mileage, giving their lengths, will suffice for my purpose.

John Stutz