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Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

Dusty
 

When I realized that the 705s weren't going to be a drop in I experimented with the 714 centering device. Like would the 714 box center with a solid coupler rather than a split coupler. I welded a 714 into a solid, one piece coupler. Surprise, surprise it still centers. So the 705 could have been more friendly.

I felt the 705s were more challenging to 'pick' than the 714s but obviously the 705s look better and offer less slack.

If my mission were creating images for big time publication I would probably make great efforts to either hide the 714s or build a couple of 'Foreground' prop cars with Sergent couplers and perhaps narrow tread wheels.

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


Re: Servo v. Tortoises

Bill Lugg
 

I, too, am a member of MERG (https://www.merg.org.uk/merg_kitlocker/)
and yes, I believe you do have to be a member to order.  I've been
thoroughly satisfied with everything I've ordered from them.  I run MERG
boosters off my NCE DCC system and MERG DCOs (electronic circuit
breakers).  I'm currently assembling a command station (CANCAB) and the
other parts necessary to put together a DCC test track I can can
interface JMRI to for loco speed matching off the layout.

Their forum is extremely helpful - it's like an Open Source community
for model railroad electronics.  To be honest, most of it is way over my
head, but I still reading through the quarterly journals and benefiting
from the Tech Bulletins and other resources they offer.

Bill Lugg

On 12/1/21 11:07 AM, Mike Conder wrote:
Very interesting, do you have to be a member to get the controller
kits?  Would love to learn more about them.

And love your new railroad name ... 😁😁

Mike Conder

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:58 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...
<mailto:mark@...>> wrote:

Like many I installed Tortoise turnout motors from the first time
I saw them in operations - mmmmdiddly years ago. Recently I wanted
to change the track layout at the back of my RR and didn't fancy
crawling around trying to get the things installed underneath. So
I decided to try surface mounted 9g servos using tube and wire
control. I joined a UK organisation MERG which specialises in
model RR electronics and bought kits for servo controllers each
powering four plus the servo setting controller. You have to build
these youself BTW, involves soldering. Installed, aka glued in
place, I can adjust the throw and the speed, something you cannot
do with a Tortoise. and they are cheap. So my upcoming East German
NG layout centred aound a sausage making town in Saxony - 'The
Wurst Railway' - will have turnouts and signals powered with servos.

Mark K


Re: Servo v. Tortoises

Mike Conder
 

Very interesting, do you have to be a member to get the controller kits?  Would love to learn more about them.

And love your new railroad name ... 😁😁

Mike Conder

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:58 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
Like many I installed Tortoise turnout motors from the first time I saw them in operations - mmmmdiddly years ago. Recently I wanted to change the track layout at the back of my RR and didn't fancy crawling around trying to get the things installed underneath. So I decided to try surface mounted 9g servos using tube and wire control. I joined a UK organisation MERG which specialises in model RR electronics and bought kits for servo controllers each powering four plus the servo setting controller. You have to build these youself BTW, involves soldering. Installed, aka glued in place, I can adjust the throw and the speed, something you cannot do with a Tortoise. and they are cheap. So my upcoming East German NG layout centred aound a sausage making town in Saxony - 'The Wurst Railway' - will have turnouts and signals powered with servos.

Mark K


Servo v. Tortoises

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Like many I installed Tortoise turnout motors from the first time I saw them in operations - mmmmdiddly years ago. Recently I wanted to change the track layout at the back of my RR and didn't fancy crawling around trying to get the things installed underneath. So I decided to try surface mounted 9g servos using tube and wire control. I joined a UK organisation MERG which specialises in model RR electronics and bought kits for servo controllers each powering four plus the servo setting controller. You have to build these youself BTW, involves soldering. Installed, aka glued in place, I can adjust the throw and the speed, something you cannot do with a Tortoise. and they are cheap. So my upcoming East German NG layout centred aound a sausage making town in Saxony - 'The Wurst Railway' - will have turnouts and signals powered with servos.

Mark K


Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

p. f. hollingsworth
 

Mark Lewis, I thank you for your answer. It's a hopeful thing, then, to begin a slow conversion. Someday.
I agree with the pair (Marlett and Kasprowicz) about how strange the notion is that it couldn't be made to fit in an existing box. Buxton's notion that a 'hurry up' job is a good and worthy thing mystifies me. Maybe in a real time crisis, but not here. It's a hobby not a war or disaster- we had already waited decades, why not another season or so to find a new die making guy?


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

Nigel Phillips
 

Go to eBay, search Model Power 410. There are 100+ at around $25-$27 including postage. The $14 one is the cheaper EST but with high postage.

Nigel


On Wednesday, December 1, 2021, threefootmodels via groups.io <threefootmodels=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can you provide a link for the $15 eBay special? I can’t find it. 


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

Rio Grande
 

Can you provide a link for the $15 eBay special? I can’t find it. 


Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...>
 

Well, My spy told me the 705 creation was a rush job. It seemed that the tooling guy at Kadee was getting ready to retire and they wanted a new HOn3 coupler. So they took an older design they had and never used and had him make the dies for the 705. It's still a damned nice coupler. It just came too late for me. I had already gone with Sergent Sharon Couplers. But, the 705 mates quite nicely with the Sharon's. One downside I didn't like about the 705's. It's just really hard to convert one to a pilot coupler without the draft gear box. There is really not enough material in the 705 shank to work with. I'll probably end up using some eventually though.

Dale Buxton

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:50 PM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
Couldn't agree more Jim. It had to be a fast conversion for me to take up the new coupler. When the standard coupler for HOn3 is the 714, what kind of thinking does it take to make a replacement that doesn't fit!

Mark K


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

Mark Kasprowicz
 

The plastic shed is actually OK, (it's also part of the Sanding tower kit I believe). If you're not happy building the Campbell kit then why complicate matters and just build the complete plastic kit without trying to make it into a hybrid.
As far as the Walthers version is concerned I wonder how much difference there is between it and the original. I've been  told that altering plastic injection moulds is not quite as easy as it sounds. One thing that is different is that the Walthers version has a base on whch it stands.
The main changes I made were using plastic Evergreen timbers and Grandt line NBW's. There's one on Ebay right now for $15!

Mark K


Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Couldn't agree more Jim. It had to be a fast conversion for me to take up the new coupler. When the standard coupler for HOn3 is the 714, what kind of thinking does it take to make a replacement that doesn't fit!

Mark K


Blackstone Box Car For Sale

Rio Grande
 

I am selling a Blackstone box car factory painted yellow silver colors #3468 non weathered (P.N. B340118). Going thru my collection and didn't realize I bought two of these.

If interested message me a we can talk price.


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

Rio Grande
 

Yes those are both great looking coal towers. I did actually start building the Campbell kit a few years ago, didn't get to far but I did build the lower building/house thing (not sure what its really called) maybe I can use that with the plastic kit.


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

Mark Lewis
 

John,

Looking at a few examples of the AHM #5833 kit on ebay.....it looks very close to the Walthers #931-910 Coaling Tower kit, but the Walthers kit has more defined details and molding. Probably upgraded die/mold work, for the very old, original Minikits dies.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:32 PM John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
Is this Model Power coaling tower the former AHM Minikits 5833 coaling tower?


Re: D&RGW Coal Tower

John Hutnick
 

Is this Model Power coaling tower the former AHM Minikits 5833 coaling tower?


Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

Jim Marlett
 

It still just amazes me that Kadee made a new narrow gauge coupler that wasn't be a drop in fit with the old box or for the cars that make up the majority of our current rolling stock. They'd have sold a ton of them if they had.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Nov 30, 2021, at 5:16 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

I can only tell you of my experience,  on my layout that uses manual uncoupling, with trip pins clipped off and using bamboo skewers for the uncoupling procedure. 
The 714 to 705 coupled cars uncouple with the slightest twist of the skewer. 
Another benefit to using 705's is there is none of the annoying "Kadee bounce" during movement of trains, between cars.

My hope is that SJM Co, on future HOn3 rolling stock releases, makes the switch to Kadee 705's for their coupler of choice. There would be less parts to assemble and would only require a "minimal" widening of the end beam opening, where the coupler pocket sits.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.



On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 5:31 PM p. f. hollingsworth <2fisherman@...> wrote:
for the folks with tons of the 714 couplers installed, but wishing to try the newer, better looking coupler, does it take much to uncouple them in the mismatches that would occur before full (if ever) conversion of the 'fleet'? As it is, I can uncouple the 714s with barely a wiggle of the parked cars. Of course, I have been doing it with a pick for forty five or so years. It's a point of pride that struggling with another would disturb, hahaha




Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

Mark Lewis
 

I can only tell you of my experience,  on my layout that uses manual uncoupling, with trip pins clipped off and using bamboo skewers for the uncoupling procedure. 
The 714 to 705 coupled cars uncouple with the slightest twist of the skewer. 
Another benefit to using 705's is there is none of the annoying "Kadee bounce" during movement of trains, between cars.

My hope is that SJM Co, on future HOn3 rolling stock releases, makes the switch to Kadee 705's for their coupler of choice. There would be less parts to assemble and would only require a "minimal" widening of the end beam opening, where the coupler pocket sits.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.



On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 5:31 PM p. f. hollingsworth <2fisherman@...> wrote:
for the folks with tons of the 714 couplers installed, but wishing to try the newer, better looking coupler, does it take much to uncouple them in the mismatches that would occur before full (if ever) conversion of the 'fleet'? As it is, I can uncouple the 714s with barely a wiggle of the parked cars. Of course, I have been doing it with a pick for forty five or so years. It's a point of pride that struggling with another would disturb, hahaha


Re: SJM Co CONOCO Tank Car coupler conversion.

p. f. hollingsworth
 

for the folks with tons of the 714 couplers installed, but wishing to try the newer, better looking coupler, does it take much to uncouple them in the mismatches that would occur before full (if ever) conversion of the 'fleet'? As it is, I can uncouple the 714s with barely a wiggle of the parked cars. Of course, I have been doing it with a pick for forty five or so years. It's a point of pride that struggling with another would disturb, hahaha


Re: Can anyone identify the prototype for this?

Jeff Young
 

Just north of Drogheda. www.rokeby.ie


Re: Can anyone identify the prototype for this?

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Thanks Jeff. I'll look that up a bit further. Just came across some photos of the first depot at Chama. Looked a lot like Silverton depot.

Where in Ireland BTW?

Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: Can anyone identify the prototype for this?

Jeff Young
 

Chama parlour car, before rebuild. (Durango was pretty similar, but I think had the sill running under the short window.)

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