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Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Nigel Phillips
 

Had another look at the switcher, it is the Baldwin.

Coal was transferred by trestle and chute to SG cars at Dunmore Junction prior to the line being SG.

NG coal cars. I believe they were hoppers. More research.

Nigel


On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
Interesting photo Nigel

Do you have any details on the NWN&C/AR&C narrow gauge coal hoppers?  Presumably they are southbound to the Great Falls connection, for Montana destinations.  While the SG cars, five boxes, two gons and a stock car; are headed for the CPR connection. While we are accustomed to coal moving in hoppers and gondolas, in this time frame some roads, including the CPR, shipped much of their locomotive coal in box and stock cars.  Presumably this was to prevent pilferage from loaded cars held near coaling facilities. Thus the car ratios seen here, which was probably aken from another house car's roof.

John
On October 19, 2021 5:05 PM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


John,

The "Alberta Lines" had 3 purpose-built 0-6-0 yard shifters.1 Baldwin, 2 Hinkley. The Baldwin was lettered for the Great Falls & Canada Railway when built, presumably rostered in Great Falls, MT, the Hinkleys would have been rostered in Lethbridge and possibly Dunmore, AB as part of the North Western Navigation and Coal Co., later the Alberta Railway & Coal Co. Photo below says Baldwin #1, I think it is one of the Hinkley locomotives, as the tender doesn't look to be sloped and domes are wrong for the Baldwin.

Nigel

image.png




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 2:18 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel










Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Mike Conder
 

Jon Stutz that's how I intend to model it ... 

Mike Conder

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:35 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
Mike

There might not have been anything more at Guthrie than the two tracks.  The Narrow Gauge Pictorial volume covering C&S Gondolas has a couple photos of the C&S ore transfer at Denver, probably in the twenties: It was just a pair of standard and narrow gauge tracks, side by side, and eight men with shovels!

John
On October 19, 2021 5:31 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


Oh, concerning transfers at Guthrie (and apologies to all.who have no interest in the MorencinSouthern.)

As far as I can tell there were no facilities to allow gravity transfers at Guthrie, only a SG track next to a NG track, both owned by the MSRy.  Much of this comes from the map in there Myrick book and the few photos of the site, though all the photos are.of the north end of the yard. 

I do have a period map and it also does not show anything like that.  But I've been looking for something like an inventory of owned structures to no avail so far. 

Mike Conder

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:21 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
 Thanks Mike

Morenci Southern #6 was undoubtedly purchased for use as a switcher.   But that was circa 1911, and it had been built in 5/98 for the Moctezuma Copper Co at Nocozari in Sonora, when that mine was still 90 miles from the nearest railhead.  So it was originally an industrial locomotive.

Do you know if #6 was based at Guthrie or Morenci?  If Guthrie, it would probably have been switching both 3' and SG.  Regarding Guthrie, do you know if MC used gravity transfer for coal, coke, or petroleum?

John
On October 19, 2021 11:23 AM Mike Conder < vulturenest1@...> wrote:


John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 



Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

John Stutz
 

Mike

There might not have been anything more at Guthrie than the two tracks.  The Narrow Gauge Pictorial volume covering C&S Gondolas has a couple photos of the C&S ore transfer at Denver, probably in the twenties: It was just a pair of standard and narrow gauge tracks, side by side, and eight men with shovels!

John

On October 19, 2021 5:31 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


Oh, concerning transfers at Guthrie (and apologies to all.who have no interest in the MorencinSouthern.)

As far as I can tell there were no facilities to allow gravity transfers at Guthrie, only a SG track next to a NG track, both owned by the MSRy.  Much of this comes from the map in there Myrick book and the few photos of the site, though all the photos are.of the north end of the yard. 

I do have a period map and it also does not show anything like that.  But I've been looking for something like an inventory of owned structures to no avail so far. 

Mike Conder

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:21 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
 Thanks Mike

Morenci Southern #6 was undoubtedly purchased for use as a switcher.   But that was circa 1911, and it had been built in 5/98 for the Moctezuma Copper Co at Nocozari in Sonora, when that mine was still 90 miles from the nearest railhead.  So it was originally an industrial locomotive.

Do you know if #6 was based at Guthrie or Morenci?  If Guthrie, it would probably have been switching both 3' and SG.  Regarding Guthrie, do you know if MC used gravity transfer for coal, coke, or petroleum?

John
On October 19, 2021 11:23 AM Mike Conder < vulturenest1@...> wrote:


John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 



Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

John Stutz
 

Interesting photo Nigel

Do you have any details on the NWN&C/AR&C narrow gauge coal hoppers?  Presumably they are southbound to the Great Falls connection, for Montana destinations.  While the SG cars, five boxes, two gons and a stock car; are headed for the CPR connection. While we are accustomed to coal moving in hoppers and gondolas, in this time frame some roads, including the CPR, shipped much of their locomotive coal in box and stock cars.  Presumably this was to prevent pilferage from loaded cars held near coaling facilities. Thus the car ratios seen here, which was probably aken from another house car's roof.

John

On October 19, 2021 5:05 PM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


John,

The "Alberta Lines" had 3 purpose-built 0-6-0 yard shifters.1 Baldwin, 2 Hinkley. The Baldwin was lettered for the Great Falls & Canada Railway when built, presumably rostered in Great Falls, MT, the Hinkleys would have been rostered in Lethbridge and possibly Dunmore, AB as part of the North Western Navigation and Coal Co., later the Alberta Railway & Coal Co. Photo below says Baldwin #1, I think it is one of the Hinkley locomotives, as the tender doesn't look to be sloped and domes are wrong for the Baldwin.

Nigel

image.png




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 2:18 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel










Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Mike Conder
 

Oh, concerning transfers at Guthrie (and apologies to all.who have no interest in the MorencinSouthern.)

As far as I can tell there were no facilities to allow gravity transfers at Guthrie, only a SG track next to a NG track, both owned by the MSRy.  Much of this comes from the map in there Myrick book and the few photos of the site, though all the photos are.of the north end of the yard. 

I do have a period map and it also does not show anything like that.  But I've been looking for something like an inventory of owned structures to no avail so far. 

Mike Conder

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:21 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 Thanks Mike

Morenci Southern #6 was undoubtedly purchased for use as a switcher.   But that was circa 1911, and it had been built in 5/98 for the Moctezuma Copper Co at Nocozari in Sonora, when that mine was still 90 miles from the nearest railhead.  So it was originally an industrial locomotive.

Do you know if #6 was based at Guthrie or Morenci?  If Guthrie, it would probably have been switching both 3' and SG.  Regarding Guthrie, do you know if MC used gravity transfer for coal, coke, or petroleum?

John
On October 19, 2021 11:23 AM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:18 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel










--
Mike Conder

--
Mike Conder


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Mike Conder
 

That's what the Myrick roster says but he also references a runaway in 1906 by the "goat" which jumped the tracks on the 3rd look and required rebuilding.  A Moctezuma loco was borrowed until it was repaired. 

This is backed up by a closer-up photo In got from the Az Historical Society of the No. 1 in Morenci plaza that is obviously this "goat," and a couple of other sites from further away. 

Not sure if it was Detroit Copper but I think the Myrick roster is not 100% accurate but it is the best one published. 

Mike Conder

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:21 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 Thanks Mike

Morenci Southern #6 was undoubtedly purchased for use as a switcher.   But that was circa 1911, and it had been built in 5/98 for the Moctezuma Copper Co at Nocozari in Sonora, when that mine was still 90 miles from the nearest railhead.  So it was originally an industrial locomotive.

Do you know if #6 was based at Guthrie or Morenci?  If Guthrie, it would probably have been switching both 3' and SG.  Regarding Guthrie, do you know if MC used gravity transfer for coal, coke, or petroleum?

John
On October 19, 2021 11:23 AM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:18 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel










--
Mike Conder

--
Mike Conder


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Nigel Phillips
 

John,

The "Alberta Lines" had 3 purpose-built 0-6-0 yard shifters.1 Baldwin, 2 Hinkley. The Baldwin was lettered for the Great Falls & Canada Railway when built, presumably rostered in Great Falls, MT, the Hinkleys would have been rostered in Lethbridge and possibly Dunmore, AB as part of the North Western Navigation and Coal Co., later the Alberta Railway & Coal Co. Photo below says Baldwin #1, I think it is one of the Hinkley locomotives, as the tender doesn't look to be sloped and domes are wrong for the Baldwin.

Nigel

image.png




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 2:18 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel








Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Randy Hees
 

Hi John,

Adding to your list of purpose built narrow gauge switchers... the East Tennesse and Western North Carolina had a 0-8-0, built by Alco Brooks in 1906... I believe as built it had a slope back tender which was rebuilt as a conventional squared off tender...  Scrapped c. 1940... 

As for a model, have you checked the dimensions of the Kemtron 0-6-0t kit... it is based on the Baldwin/D&RG locos, but might be a good underframe/drivers/cylinders...   

Randy Hees


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

John Stutz
 

 Thanks Mike

Morenci Southern #6 was undoubtedly purchased for use as a switcher.   But that was circa 1911, and it had been built in 5/98 for the Moctezuma Copper Co at Nocozari in Sonora, when that mine was still 90 miles from the nearest railhead.  So it was originally an industrial locomotive.

Do you know if #6 was based at Guthrie or Morenci?  If Guthrie, it would probably have been switching both 3' and SG.  Regarding Guthrie, do you know if MC used gravity transfer for coal, coke, or petroleum?

John

On October 19, 2021 11:23 AM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:18 PM John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel










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Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Mike Conder
 

John, 

The amorenxi Southernnorseres an 0-6-0 switcher from Porter circa 1901/02.  It looked a bit like their 20" 0-4-0 Porters but was 36" gauge. 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:18 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel







--
Mike Conder


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

John Stutz
 

Nigel

Interesting.  Purpose built switchers were fairly rare on North American common carrier narrow gauge lines.  I only knew of the D&RG/RGW 0-6-0t's,  a pair of ~1880 Baldwins on the NdM, and the Oahu's four outside framed 0-6-0's.  Which last shows how far I have to reach to find examples. 

Porter built a number of 0-6-0's, but the common carrier examples seem to have been purchased as early road engines, and only later downgraded to switching.  Most seem to have been for industrial users.

Anybody else have examples of such switchers. 

Lackawanna Iron and Steel had an interesting borderline example: A large 3'gauge, inside framed 0-8-0 weighing in at 78,760 lb on drivers, with close coupled drivers and notable for a 6' wide grate Wootten firebox and center cab.  Presumably it was intended for heavy switching around a steel plant,




On October 19, 2021 6:11 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel








Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Nigel Phillips
 

LOL - this is an HOn3 group. HO switchers are readily available. Unlike HOn3 ones.

I do have a plan B. I have the major dimensions of the Alberta Railway and Coal Co. Baldwin 0-6-0 from 1890, as well as some photographs from around that time. The other switchers in the system were 2  Hinkley 0-6-0s from 1888. That one needs a trip to Boston, as online records are scarce.

Nigel





On Monday, October 18, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

John Stutz
 

Earl

How about some photos?

On October 18, 2021 4:49 PM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:


Back in 1960's, Ken Kidder used to import a generic 0-4-0 with a short tender in HOn3.

In the late 50's or early 60's MDC/Roundhouse briefly made an HOn3 version of its SP 0-6-0 switcher.  It was exactly like the standard gauge version, only gauged to 3-foot.  I have one, it looks just as strange as it sounds.



From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of jaybird via groups.io <ancientbuck@...>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 5:31 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] 0-6-0 yard switcher

I'm a long-term lurker in these parts, but I must say I'm surprised no has made a most obvious suggestion. Find an HOn3 Mogul, as cheap as possible, and make the conversion yourself. Kidder's HOn3 Porter Moguls and FED 2-6-0's are around. Yeah, they're a lot more expensive now than back in the day, but aren't we all.

I recall Chuck Yungkurth's Bellefonte & Snowshoe article in MR (Sept, '63 ?) that included a Porter HO mogul someone had converted to an 0-6-0; I think it even had a sloped tender. 

You might get lucky and find a basket case of HON3 Mogul parts cheap. 

As I think about it, if worse comes to worse, a light 2-8-0 could be cut down to an 0-6-0. I have a Ma&Pa 2-8-0 #26 cut down to a mogul; it looks pretty cool and runs well.

Buck


-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 18, 2021 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] 0-6-0 yard switcher

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case < ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz < john.stutz@...> wrote:

Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips < nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel






Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Mike Conder
 

A long time ago I picked up.a.couple of brass, old HOn3 locos and one is an 0-6-0 with a slope-back tender.  It is fairly crude by today's standards, I'm guessing it's from the '50's or '60's, and not operational yet. 

So something is out there but I'm thinking a modified FED with a 3D printed tender would be a lot easier. 

Mike Conder

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:23 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:
Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel

--
Mike Conder


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Earl Knoob
 

Back in 1960's, Ken Kidder used to import a generic 0-4-0 with a short tender in HOn3.

In the late 50's or early 60's MDC/Roundhouse briefly made an HOn3 version of its SP 0-6-0 switcher.  It was exactly like the standard gauge version, only gauged to 3-foot.  I have one, it looks just as strange as it sounds.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of jaybird via groups.io <ancientbuck@...>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 5:31 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] 0-6-0 yard switcher
 
I'm a long-term lurker in these parts, but I must say I'm surprised no has made a most obvious suggestion. Find an HOn3 Mogul, as cheap as possible, and make the conversion yourself. Kidder's HOn3 Porter Moguls and FED 2-6-0's are around. Yeah, they're a lot more expensive now than back in the day, but aren't we all.

I recall Chuck Yungkurth's Bellefonte & Snowshoe article in MR (Sept, '63 ?) that included a Porter HO mogul someone had converted to an 0-6-0; I think it even had a sloped tender. 

You might get lucky and find a basket case of HON3 Mogul parts cheap. 

As I think about it, if worse comes to worse, a light 2-8-0 could be cut down to an 0-6-0. I have a Ma&Pa 2-8-0 #26 cut down to a mogul; it looks pretty cool and runs well.

Buck


-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 18, 2021 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] 0-6-0 yard switcher

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

jaybird
 

I'm a long-term lurker in these parts, but I must say I'm surprised no has made a most obvious suggestion. Find an HOn3 Mogul, as cheap as possible, and make the conversion yourself. Kidder's HOn3 Porter Moguls and FED 2-6-0's are around. Yeah, they're a lot more expensive now than back in the day, but aren't we all.

I recall Chuck Yungkurth's Bellefonte & Snowshoe article in MR (Sept, '63 ?) that included a Porter HO mogul someone had converted to an 0-6-0; I think it even had a sloped tender. 

You might get lucky and find a basket case of HON3 Mogul parts cheap. 

As I think about it, if worse comes to worse, a light 2-8-0 could be cut down to an 0-6-0. I have a Ma&Pa 2-8-0 #26 cut down to a mogul; it looks pretty cool and runs well.

Buck


-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 18, 2021 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] 0-6-0 yard switcher

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel


MDC 0-8-0

@Erik_The_Train_Fan
 

I recently finished repainting my hon3 outside frame 0-8-0. These were static display kits made by mdc.


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Ric Case
 

Nigel I must have missed you looking for a narrow gauge switch engine!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel


Re: 0-6-0 yard switcher

Nigel Phillips
 

Interesting chase. Thanks, everybody for the suggestions. Many of the models suggested so far seem to be HO, not HOn3. I looked at the early MDC catalogs , seems the switcher is HO. No mention of a HOn3 (that said, I could only find 1949 and 1955) There are a couple of 0-6-0 tender locomotives on eBay at the moment, both with regular tenders. The PSC model looks to be what I am really looking for, few and far though.

The best pathway at the moment looks like a collection of parts from PSC (if they still have them)  and some custom etches, if I want something that came out of Bladin in 1890.

I knew modeling in this scale could be difficult with regard to rolling stock, but not this difficult...might just be too many challenges though.

Nigel


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:40 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
I have 2 Omaha 0-6-0 with slope back tenders and 1ma and pa with slope back tender here to receive decoders at this time!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:29 PM, Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:

RIc,

There are, but not as far as i can see with sloped tenders. Needs to be a Baldwin or close as well. The PSC one is close enough. Hen's teeth though.

Nigel

On Sunday, October 17, 2021, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
There are quite a few brass offerings! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 17, 2021, at 2:45 PM, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Nigel

Model Die Casting did an SP (?) 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender.   This was a 1950's model, all in die-cast zinc alloy.  Kemtron offered brass piston valve cylinders and working(?) outside Walscharts valve gear to update the original slide valve cylinders and Stephenson gear.  I think these are still n the PSC catalogue, along with other parts. 

If this suits your needs, I have most of a part-built kit on the shelves.

John Stutz
On October 17, 2021 10:46 AM Nigel Phillips <nigelp18000@...> wrote:


I need some help here. I have been looking for an 0-6-0 yard switcher with sloped-back tender. Was such a model ever made? 

Nigel

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