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Re: HOn3 trucks

Climax@...
 

You should just drill a bunch of tiny holes and glue in some clear fishing line so that it engages with the axles to hold the cars on a problem grade where the car rolls away.  Has worked for years and can hardly be seen almost like weeds.

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From: <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Jul 6, 2021 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] HOn3 trucks


Having had dozens of pairs of the old grandt line hon3 trucks serve for many years with ony one set rolling its axle off I would say go for it.
Probably nothing will compare to the quality and free rolling ability of the Blackstone trucks, however my understanding is they are out of stock and production from what I have heard.   
Also, the Blackstone trucks rolled so freely that cars would roll away on sidings, I had to take some campbels or A line chain and drop it on one rail to be able to park cars, or make sure at least one old grandt line truck car was parked with the bunch.   
 
Regards all
Rich Johnson
 
 
 
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From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Doug Junda <djunda@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:10 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: [HOn3] HOn3 trucks
 
All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them?  Again,  they would not roll like the blackstone, version.  But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co




 


Re: HOn3 trucks

RICHARD DONNA BELL
 

Hi Doug,

 

I too am interested in the new trucks. Will the wheel sets be compatible with the old Grandt Line frames? Also, will the wheel sets be available as a separate item?

 

Dick Bell

 

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From: Doug Junda
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:10 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] HOn3 trucks

 

All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them?  Again,  they would not roll like the blackstone, version.  But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co



 


Re: HOn3 trucks

Richard Johnson
 

Having had dozens of pairs of the old grandt line hon3 trucks serve for many years with ony one set rolling its axle off I would say go for it.
Probably nothing will compare to the quality and free rolling ability of the Blackstone trucks, however my understanding is they are out of stock and production from what I have heard.   
Also, the Blackstone trucks rolled so freely that cars would roll away on sidings, I had to take some campbels or A line chain and drop it on one rail to be able to park cars, or make sure at least one old grandt line truck car was parked with the bunch.   

Regards all
Rich Johnson



www.RichardSJohnson.net 

"Those who enjoy freedom must endeavor to preserve it."


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
Thomas Jefferson




From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Doug Junda <djunda@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:10 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: [HOn3] HOn3 trucks
 
All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them?  Again,  they would not roll like the blackstone, version.  But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co





Re: HOn3 trucks

Mark Lewis
 

Doug,

I second John Shorts comment on new Grandt Line trucks, as a real need exists for them.
Might passenger trucks be in the mix, as well?

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 AM John Short <johnsk28@...> wrote:
Doug,

I would love to see a return of the HOn3 trucks, especially with stainless steel wheelsets!

John Short

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 10:10:22 AM EDT, Doug Junda <djunda@...> wrote:


All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them?  Again,  they would not roll like the blackstone, version.  But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co





Re: HOn3 trucks

John Short
 

Doug,

I would love to see a return of the HOn3 trucks, especially with stainless steel wheelsets!

John Short

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 10:10:22 AM EDT, Doug Junda <djunda@...> wrote:


All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them?  Again,  they would not roll like the blackstone, version.  But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co





HOn3 trucks

Doug Junda
 

All,

We are thinking about bringing the Grandtline HOn3 trucks back out.

We have been testing them with stainless steel wheels sets, and been having good luck

Is there enough interest in them? Again, they would not roll like the blackstone, version. But, we think they will roll and be more constant they the old grand line trucks.

I would love to have some input form the group on this.

Thanks,

Doug Junda
San Juan Model co


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 
Edited

I managed to get the PDF file of my FED 260 article up on Railway's web site. it's here:

https://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/fed260/

Now I have to insert the link into the main front page.
-Steve


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Dave Eggleston
 

Thanks for the look into Craig's early history. Such a talented guy. Those were golden days in LA, with lots of talent breaking ground and sharing ideas.  Jeff, your layout was/is equally influential and stunning. I suspect you remember a group of us from the Slim Gauge Guild coming over to run Mear's Madness around 1990/91, an experience that has stayed with me since. My fate was to run a goose, which gave me loads of time to check out the layout, stuck in the hole repeatedly waiting for late freights. 
Dave Eggleston,_


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Mike Conder
 

I kept up with Criag online for quite a while back in the old Egroups time frame, as we were both doing desert HOn3 stuff.  Last I heard he had moved to the Dallas area but like others, no contact for a long, long time.  Really liked the look of his layout and other stuff.

Mike Conder

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:54 AM Jeff Reynolds <jefe4x4@...> wrote:
Eggleston,
RE: Craig Tice. Make that 3 decades of no-see or hear. I've tried to run him down since 1991.
I was there when Dave Garcia remodeled all of Tice's locos and they were a sight to behold.
I believe Dave plugged and redrilled the frame along with new rods. Whatever he did, it was the best you could expect from anyone.
Tice was a high school kid who lived two blocks from me when we lived in Downey, CA.
I would say he was born in 1965
One night In 1982 or 83, the first years of building Mears' Madness, my son Matt and I happened to drive by his parent's home and spied what looked like an HOn3 layout taking up much of the lighted open garage.  Bewildered, we abruptly stopped and walked up the driveway to meet Craig Tice. We brought him over to see the only product in HOn3 that we had at the time; a 14 foot long, 5 foot wide yards at Rico CO. Something clicked in him and he tore down his around-the-mountain layout and began to plan for a second, more crusty and prototype layout called the Mojave and Panamint. Dave Garcia was in the mix who also lived in Downey and attended the first open house of Mears' Madness. Dave took Tice's bare brass Fed and did the deed you speak of above, also micromotoring it with big gear reduction. Each loco that Dave subsequently worked on for Tice was tested on our fledgling RGS track. That is until Tice started work on his adorable M&P.
Garcia, Tice, and myself took a road trip to take photos of the area Tice was to subsequently model in order to get the scenery and landforms right for his layout. He had pcb soldered all the code 40 track and stub turnouts and was a very talented scratch builder. Several of the structures on Mears' Madness were by his hands. His scenery was simply spectatular.
Tice was now married and a computer programmer, and subsequently went through a very ugly divorce, which, i must say, gutted him. He was broken. 
By then, Tice got out of the model biz and donated the M&P and all the rolling stock and engines to Dave Garcia and his friend Bob. Toward the end, the M&P lived in Dave's living room. Last i heard, and after the death of Dave Garcia, Bob was Dave's model train executor. and I have no update.


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jeff Reynolds
 

Eggleston,
RE: Craig Tice. Make that 3 decades of no-see or hear. I've tried to run him down since 1991.
I was there when Dave Garcia remodeled all of Tice's locos and they were a sight to behold.
I believe Dave plugged and redrilled the frame along with new rods. Whatever he did, it was the best you could expect from anyone.
Tice was a high school kid who lived two blocks from me when we lived in Downey, CA.
I would say he was born in 1965
One night In 1982 or 83, the first years of building Mears' Madness, my son Matt and I happened to drive by his parent's home and spied what looked like an HOn3 layout taking up much of the lighted open garage.  Bewildered, we abruptly stopped and walked up the driveway to meet Craig Tice. We brought him over to see the only product in HOn3 that we had at the time; a 14 foot long, 5 foot wide yards at Rico CO. Something clicked in him and he tore down his around-the-mountain layout and began to plan for a second, more crusty and prototype layout called the Mojave and Panamint. Dave Garcia was in the mix who also lived in Downey and attended the first open house of Mears' Madness. Dave took Tice's bare brass Fed and did the deed you speak of above, also micromotoring it with big gear reduction. Each loco that Dave subsequently worked on for Tice was tested on our fledgling RGS track. That is until Tice started work on his adorable M&P.
Garcia, Tice, and myself took a road trip to take photos of the area Tice was to subsequently model in order to get the scenery and landforms right for his layout. He had pcb soldered all the code 40 track and stub turnouts and was a very talented scratch builder. Several of the structures on Mears' Madness were by his hands. His scenery was simply spectatular.
Tice was now married and a computer programmer, and subsequently went through a very ugly divorce, which, i must say, gutted him. He was broken. 
By then, Tice got out of the model biz and donated the M&P and all the rolling stock and engines to Dave Garcia and his friend Bob. Toward the end, the M&P lived in Dave's living room. Last i heard, and after the death of Dave Garcia, Bob was Dave's model train executor. and I have no update.


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

captaindavekrembs
 

I did one years ago and added pickups to both sides. Has a NWSL gear box and motor in the cab. Unfortunately the only photos are on an old dead i-mac.

On Saturday, July 3, 2021, 4:40:36 PM CDT, Don Ball <dlball1899@...> wrote:


Steve,
That's fine. It's your article after all. I hope you can recreate the stuff you lost.

Don

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 4:34 PM Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:
  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Don Ball
 

Steve,
That's fine. It's your article after all. I hope you can recreate the stuff you lost.

Don

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 4:34 PM Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:
  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 01:08 PM, Ross A wrote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826221532/http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/fed260/
Yep that's the article I wrote.    I just took these pictures of the model here in my RR room.
Steve


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Don Ball
 

Here is the complete article with the photos. I also have Craig Tice's last email address as cwtice@....

Don Ball

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jesse Day <JesseADayii@...> wrote:
Steve, 
Photos would be very helpful and I would be greatly appreciative for reference material available.

Jesse Day


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

 

Jeese,

I found this archived, it contains what looks to be all Steves's instructions but only two thumbnail size photos.
Hope this helps..

Ross

https://web.archive.org/web/20030826221532/http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/fed260/


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Dave Eggleston
 

Craig Tice had at least one modified FED mogul on his Mojave & Panamint, that I believe had been done for him by Dave Garcia, M&P #3. I am trying to recall if Dave told me he milled the frame to allow for the axle change or if he fabricated a new frame (or rear section). Of course you'll need to fabricate new rods and deal with the drive train modification. The M&P engines were spectacular. I never saw an article on the work done. 

Unfortunately Craig hasn't seemed to have a public presence in the hobby for a couple of decades and I have no contact info for him, and very sadly Dave passed away. Maybe someone on the list knows how to contact Craig?

Dave

On Saturday, July 3, 2021, 09:56:40 AM PDT, Jesse Day <jesseadayii@...> wrote:


Greetings all,
Hoping someone may have either a link or something to the article on moving the rear axle on the FED 2-6-0 to better represent a Baldwin loco. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jesse Day
 
Edited

Steve, 
Photos would be very helpful and I would be greatly appreciative for any reference material available.

Jesse Day


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

I moved the axle on one about 22 years ago. FED
I wrote an article about it at the time and put it up on my web site Railway Engineering.
   I dont have the article but perhaps someone copied it at the time and would share it with you.
  I still have the loco, but not the article.
I'm not sure if pictures would help but I can take a couple photos if all else fails you.
Steve Hatch


FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jesse Day
 

Greetings all,
Hoping someone may have either a link or something to the article on moving the rear axle on the FED 2-6-0 to better represent a Baldwin loco. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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