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Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jeff Reynolds
 

Eggleston,
RE: Craig Tice. Make that 3 decades of no-see or hear. I've tried to run him down since 1991.
I was there when Dave Garcia remodeled all of Tice's locos and they were a sight to behold.
I believe Dave plugged and redrilled the frame along with new rods. Whatever he did, it was the best you could expect from anyone.
Tice was a high school kid who lived two blocks from me when we lived in Downey, CA.
I would say he was born in 1965
One night In 1982 or 83, the first years of building Mears' Madness, my son Matt and I happened to drive by his parent's home and spied what looked like an HOn3 layout taking up much of the lighted open garage.  Bewildered, we abruptly stopped and walked up the driveway to meet Craig Tice. We brought him over to see the only product in HOn3 that we had at the time; a 14 foot long, 5 foot wide yards at Rico CO. Something clicked in him and he tore down his around-the-mountain layout and began to plan for a second, more crusty and prototype layout called the Mojave and Panamint. Dave Garcia was in the mix who also lived in Downey and attended the first open house of Mears' Madness. Dave took Tice's bare brass Fed and did the deed you speak of above, also micromotoring it with big gear reduction. Each loco that Dave subsequently worked on for Tice was tested on our fledgling RGS track. That is until Tice started work on his adorable M&P.
Garcia, Tice, and myself took a road trip to take photos of the area Tice was to subsequently model in order to get the scenery and landforms right for his layout. He had pcb soldered all the code 40 track and stub turnouts and was a very talented scratch builder. Several of the structures on Mears' Madness were by his hands. His scenery was simply spectatular.
Tice was now married and a computer programmer, and subsequently went through a very ugly divorce, which, i must say, gutted him. He was broken. 
By then, Tice got out of the model biz and donated the M&P and all the rolling stock and engines to Dave Garcia and his friend Bob. Toward the end, the M&P lived in Dave's living room. Last i heard, and after the death of Dave Garcia, Bob was Dave's model train executor. and I have no update.


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

captaindavekrembs
 

I did one years ago and added pickups to both sides. Has a NWSL gear box and motor in the cab. Unfortunately the only photos are on an old dead i-mac.

On Saturday, July 3, 2021, 4:40:36 PM CDT, Don Ball <dlball1899@...> wrote:


Steve,
That's fine. It's your article after all. I hope you can recreate the stuff you lost.

Don

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 4:34 PM Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:
  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Don Ball
 

Steve,
That's fine. It's your article after all. I hope you can recreate the stuff you lost.

Don

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 4:34 PM Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:
  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

  Thanks Don
 That's the whole file with all the pictures I took.
 My entire web site CRASHED last year and I lost everything including all the back up copies of the pages.
If it's OK with you I'll put PDF file back up on my web site.
  I've spent a whole year trying to re-create all the articles and help hints I could think of.
 I would appreciate being able to put this back up.
-Stephen Hatch
Railway Engineering


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 01:08 PM, Ross A wrote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826221532/http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/fed260/
Yep that's the article I wrote.    I just took these pictures of the model here in my RR room.
Steve


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Don Ball
 

Here is the complete article with the photos. I also have Craig Tice's last email address as cwtice@....

Don Ball

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jesse Day <JesseADayii@...> wrote:
Steve, 
Photos would be very helpful and I would be greatly appreciative for reference material available.

Jesse Day


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

 

Jeese,

I found this archived, it contains what looks to be all Steves's instructions but only two thumbnail size photos.
Hope this helps..

Ross

https://web.archive.org/web/20030826221532/http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/fed260/


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Dave Eggleston
 

Craig Tice had at least one modified FED mogul on his Mojave & Panamint, that I believe had been done for him by Dave Garcia, M&P #3. I am trying to recall if Dave told me he milled the frame to allow for the axle change or if he fabricated a new frame (or rear section). Of course you'll need to fabricate new rods and deal with the drive train modification. The M&P engines were spectacular. I never saw an article on the work done. 

Unfortunately Craig hasn't seemed to have a public presence in the hobby for a couple of decades and I have no contact info for him, and very sadly Dave passed away. Maybe someone on the list knows how to contact Craig?

Dave

On Saturday, July 3, 2021, 09:56:40 AM PDT, Jesse Day <jesseadayii@...> wrote:


Greetings all,
Hoping someone may have either a link or something to the article on moving the rear axle on the FED 2-6-0 to better represent a Baldwin loco. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jesse Day
 
Edited

Steve, 
Photos would be very helpful and I would be greatly appreciative for any reference material available.

Jesse Day


Re: FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Steve Hatch
 

I moved the axle on one about 22 years ago. FED
I wrote an article about it at the time and put it up on my web site Railway Engineering.
   I dont have the article but perhaps someone copied it at the time and would share it with you.
  I still have the loco, but not the article.
I'm not sure if pictures would help but I can take a couple photos if all else fails you.
Steve Hatch


FED HOn3 2-6-0 Axle Move

Jesse Day
 

Greetings all,
Hoping someone may have either a link or something to the article on moving the rear axle on the FED 2-6-0 to better represent a Baldwin loco. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


Re: NCNG #8

Jesse Day
 

Bill,
Contact me off list via my email, I have copies of the drawings for the On3 Sunset Models NCNG #8 and tender. They were given to me many years ago by a close friend and I am not sure about copyright or distribution limits.

Jesse Day 


TTTE-Style D&RG series

rj052204@...
 

I want to make a series about the D&RG(W) in the style of Thomas & Friends. Will HOn3 be the best option for me, should I stick to a bigger scale, or should I use HOn3 and other scales hand in hand? 


Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

p. f. hollingsworth
 

NWSL, almost certainly. If they fit the trucks well enough to roll, leave 'em be. I never tried to do that, so can't say.
The MDC items did, indeed, have pointy axles of a unique length, and were mostly just junk. They were about as wide as an Indy race car tire and look horrible. I have a couple of the MDC passenger trucks fitted with some wheels that are acceptable, but I cannot recall what make- Rio Grande Models from in the mid seventies maybe?


Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

Dusty
 

While desperately seeking MDC Trucks to examine I discovered a set of NWSL Wheels, part # 7314-4. The axels and bushings looked spot on. While the wheels were wider and plated the profile looked very similar. The mystery wheel sets were in a pair of Grandt C & S Bettendorf that looked fairly old. I wonder if the wheel sets were some of the first NWSL replacements hence no plating or blackening. Maybe they were blackened and they are now very distressed.

Looks like NWSL wheelsets to me. Thank all you for your contributions to the resolution of this little mystery!!!

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


Re: prong holder ? screw sticker?

LARRY KLOSE
 

I have a magnet tool holder above my work bench. I keep a small screwdriver on it and its magnetized enough to hold steel screws. For non magnetic screws I use a “nut starter” I got from micro mark—not sure of the name. Besides nuts it holds smaller screw heads than the one with little wire fingers and a plunger. I use the “finger” holder for larger screws and nuts.

Larry Klose


Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

John Stutz
 

Dusty

Looks like you have a couple versions of NWSL's "#7343-4  HOn3 27"/72 Shldr Axle Wheelset -Grandt Line" (#8200-6 weathered), as listed in the 8/2006 price list.  NWSL wheelsets' brass axle stock's diameter varied over the years, but I have no details on how or when.  Axle stock diameter did not affect the fit into truck frames. 

This is the only HOn3 code 72 wheelset listed, all others being code 88 (or 110?).  I suspect that NWSL were using a standard N-scale NMRA RP-25 code 72 profile tool to cut the wheels, rather than attempting to actually match Grandt's standard profile. 

John Stutz

On July 1, 2021 2:12 PM Dusty via groups.io <dustburm@...> wrote:


I purchased 3 pr. of Grandt trucks off of Ebay. One pair had 3 axels of apparently non Grandt wheel sets. They appear to have brass wheels and brass flat ended axels with a plastic insulating bushing on one wheel. The width of the wheels are .070 compared to the Grandt wheels at .080. Are these possibly NWSL wheels or were there other wheel set manufacturers? They look old.  They don't resemble the PSC wheels I'm familiar with but that doesn't mean very much. Any thoughts?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707

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Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

lloyd lehrer
 

MDC always used pointed axles. SG and NG.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:02 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
don't take my word for it, but those look like MDC wheelsets to me.
Kevin.
Ebay. One pair had 3 axels of apparently non Grandt wheel sets. They appear to have brass wheels and brass flat ended axels with a plastic insulating bushing on one wheel. The width of the wheels are .070 compared to the Grandt wheels at .080. Are these possibly NWSL wheels or were there other wheel set manufacturers? They look old.  They don't resemble the PSC wheels I'm familiar with but that doesn't mean very much. Any thoughts?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


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lloyd lehrer


Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

kevin b
 

don't take my word for it, but those look like MDC wheelsets to me.
Kevin.

Ebay. One pair had 3 axels of apparently non Grandt wheel sets. They appear to have brass wheels and brass flat ended axels with a plastic insulating bushing on one wheel. The width of the wheels are .070 compared to the Grandt wheels at .080. Are these possibly NWSL wheels or were there other wheel set manufacturers? They look old.  They don't resemble the PSC wheels I'm familiar with but that doesn't mean very much. Any thoughts?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707


Re: Wheel Manufacturer?

Bill M
 

Hey Dusty

You should be able to get genuine Grandt wheelsets this summer . 

Bill


On Thu., 1 Jul. 2021 at 5:12 p.m., Dusty via groups.io
<Dustburm@...> wrote:
I purchased 3 pr. of Grandt trucks off of Ebay. One pair had 3 axels of apparently non Grandt wheel sets. They appear to have brass wheels and brass flat ended axels with a plastic insulating bushing on one wheel. The width of the wheels are .070 compared to the Grandt wheels at .080. Are these possibly NWSL wheels or were there other wheel set manufacturers? They look old.  They don't resemble the PSC wheels I'm familiar with but that doesn't mean very much. Any thoughts?

Dusty Burman
623 261-8707

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