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Re: Westside K 37

Earl Knoob
 

Well, you'll have to wait a week.  I'm out of town right now.  I'll take a look when I get back.  I imagine the model number is probably quite out of date as it was remotored in about 1977.....


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:22 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Westside K 37
 
Earl ,yes still an open frame motor . Do you know the motor part #  I think it would also work in my K 37 ......Mike

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 1:38 PM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Does it have an open frame motor?  The original runs from 1975 or so did.  I got mine very slightly pre-owned.  He changed to open frame motor out and installed a big Cannon instrument motor.  It still has the stock gears and runs like a dream.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:03 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Westside K 37
 
It has very little run time on it I think as the wheels have no where on them . I'll contact NWSL monday . So the stock motor should be good ?      Mike


Re: Westside K 37

Mike Chamberlain
 

Earl ,yes still an open frame motor . Do you know the motor part #  I think it would also work in my K 37 ......Mike


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 1:38 PM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Does it have an open frame motor?  The original runs from 1975 or so did.  I got mine very slightly pre-owned.  He changed to open frame motor out and installed a big Cannon instrument motor.  It still has the stock gears and runs like a dream.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:03 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Westside K 37
 
It has very little run time on it I think as the wheels have no where on them . I'll contact NWSL monday . So the stock motor should be good ?      Mike


Re: Westside K27

Mike Chamberlain
 

Thank you Earl that confirms another of my suspicions ......Mike


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 1:52 PM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Another issue with the boiler of the Westside K-27 compound is that the boiler is about a foot too big in diameter.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:11 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: [HOn3] Westside K27
 
Recently bought a W S k27 compound Made in the early 70's .  Runs well but a bit noisy , does anyone have any suggestions for a new motor and gear tower ?  The main problem though is the boiler / cab height . Is there any way to lower it to a more prototypical height ? Right now it sits just about as high as my K 37 . I have lowered a W S C 25 so I do know some of what's involved but I don't see a good starting place hear .   Thanks ! Mike


Re: Westside K27

Earl Knoob
 

Another issue with the boiler of the Westside K-27 compound is that the boiler is about a foot too big in diameter.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:11 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: [HOn3] Westside K27
 
Recently bought a W S k27 compound Made in the early 70's .  Runs well but a bit noisy , does anyone have any suggestions for a new motor and gear tower ?  The main problem though is the boiler / cab height . Is there any way to lower it to a more prototypical height ? Right now it sits just about as high as my K 37 . I have lowered a W S C 25 so I do know some of what's involved but I don't see a good starting place hear .   Thanks ! Mike


Re: Westside K 37

Earl Knoob
 

Does it have an open frame motor?  The original runs from 1975 or so did.  I got mine very slightly pre-owned.  He changed to open frame motor out and installed a big Cannon instrument motor.  It still has the stock gears and runs like a dream.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:03 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Westside K 37
 
It has very little run time on it I think as the wheels have no where on them . I'll contact NWSL monday . So the stock motor should be good ?      Mike


Re: Westside K 37

Mike Chamberlain
 

It has very little run time on it I think as the wheels have no where on them . I'll contact NWSL monday . So the stock motor should be good ?      Mike


Re: Westside K 37

Mike Chamberlain
 

 Is that a NWSL part # ?     Mike


Re: Westside K 37

Wayne
 

A #305 Delrin idler gear and a 1312-6 worm should do the trick, as far as quieting the gear noise goes.

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Wayne Taylor


Re: Westside K 37

John Stutz
 

Mike

If you have a Westside K with a brass worm and brass idler, there is a rapid wear problem here, due to sliding contact of like metals.  NWSL offered a Delren idler gear to correct the problem but this needed to be installed before the worm wore too far.   If this is the source of your noise, you may may also need to replace the worm.  Either way, these fixes are easier than a complete new gear tower.   Consult the NWSL catalogue. 

John Stutz

On May 21, 2021 5:16 PM Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...> wrote:

Hi All !  Is there a good replacement motor and gear tower for the Westside K 37 . I have one that runs very well but is a bit noisy  as I want to add sound it .....Thanks .....Mike


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Mark Lewis
 

Art,

Thanks for the update!

Mark Lewis 

On Fri, May 21, 2021, 10:31 PM Art D3 <apdutra3@...> wrote:
Stay tuned Mark. My test print with Siraya Tech Tenacious flexible resin is complete. As I suspected, this resin is just too firm and would derail a car before compressing. I will try to incorporate Mick's work into the next print version using Kadee springs.
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Art D3
 

Stay tuned Mark. My test print with Siraya Tech Tenacious flexible resin is complete. As I suspected, this resin is just too firm and would derail a car before compressing. I will try to incorporate Mick's work into the next print version using Kadee springs.
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Art D3
 

Beautiful work, Mick! That was my other thought, except 3D printed. A two piece unit with Kadee springs. I may have to go back to the CAD drawing board.
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Westside K 37

Mike Chamberlain
 

Hi All !  Is there a good replacement motor and gear tower for the Westside K 37 . I have one that runs very well but is a bit noisy  as I want to add sound it .....Thanks .....Mike


Westside K27

Mike Chamberlain
 

Recently bought a W S k27 compound Made in the early 70's .  Runs well but a bit noisy , does anyone have any suggestions for a new motor and gear tower ?  The main problem though is the boiler / cab height . Is there any way to lower it to a more prototypical height ? Right now it sits just about as high as my K 37 . I have lowered a W S C 25 so I do know some of what's involved but I don't see a good starting place hear .   Thanks ! Mike


Re: Slate Shingles

bob.meckley@...
 

Don:
     Here is another vendor of slate roofing. I bought some brick wall panels and they look great.

Bob Meckley
https://thenarch.com/products/slate-roofing-ho


Slate roofs

Don Bergman
 


 
Thanks for all the help.  I had searched on line but some of the sources listed did not come up. 

I am building a model of the Roseberg, Oregon, SP Depot for Bruce Chubb's layout.  The attached photos shows the look I am searching for.

The first 2 early shots appear to be some type of slate.  Any thoughts that it is not slate?  The 3 color one are recent.    In between , photos from  1990-2000 show  3 tab asphalt shingles on it.

Don Bergman



Don Bergman


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Mick Moignard
 


Making working gangways isn’t hard. This has a tunnel of brass that slides in the coach end, curved to the top corners and a separate soldered in floor. End plate is also brass soldered to the tunnel. Second plate is similar with a sliding for on the tunnel. Halved Kadee springs are soldere to the centre plate both sides at the top centre and the two bottom corners. Slides into the end of the car.  Retainers are soldered to the tunnel to stop it falling out. 

I’ve made a dozen or so sets of these and have them on Key, Soho and PSC cars. With practice a pair take no more than a couple of hours to make.

Mick
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Re: diaphragms for coaches

Mark Lewis
 

Art,

Following your project. The print looks great.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Fri, May 21, 2021, 10:28 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Art I have looked for them also! Your printed model looks great! I have access to a printer , any possibility of sharing your stl file! 
Just wondering! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On May 21, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Art D3 <apdutra3@...> wrote:

I have been working on a similar project for my passenger cars. No commercially available diaphragms I have found are small enough for narrow gauge cars. I have tried unsuccessfully to modify some of the commercial parts to create functional diaphragms. I finally modeled an accurate unit in CAD. Below are photos of the 3D printed CAD model. I was hoping to use a highly flexible printing media. I recently purchased some "flexible" resin to test, but I am not convinced that it will have a material durometer soft enough to be functional when the diaphragms need to compress on a curve without derailing the car. My next attempt will be to create a mold and cast the diaphragm in silicone rubber. Instead of a single casting as I had hoped, the leaf spring unit will likely be a separate casting to mold successfully. I will keep the group posted on my progress.
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CAD render


<Diaphragm3.jpg>
<Diaphragm2.jpg>
<Diaphragm1.jpg>

Some photos of the 3D printed diaphragm in standard resin and against the end of my HOn3 LaBelle parlor car under construction. 3D printing would be the best approach since it eliminates all of the issues that mold making has such as undercuts. I'm trying to finish this project as the parlor car is the last car I need to submit towards my AP Master Car Builder certificate.
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Ric Case
 

Art I have looked for them also! Your printed model looks great! I have access to a printer , any possibility of sharing your stl file! 
Just wondering! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On May 21, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Art D3 <apdutra3@...> wrote:

I have been working on a similar project for my passenger cars. No commercially available diaphragms I have found are small enough for narrow gauge cars. I have tried unsuccessfully to modify some of the commercial parts to create functional diaphragms. I finally modeled an accurate unit in CAD. Below are photos of the 3D printed CAD model. I was hoping to use a highly flexible printing media. I recently purchased some "flexible" resin to test, but I am not convinced that it will have a material durometer soft enough to be functional when the diaphragms need to compress on a curve without derailing the car. My next attempt will be to create a mold and cast the diaphragm in silicone rubber. Instead of a single casting as I had hoped, the leaf spring unit will likely be a separate casting to mold successfully. I will keep the group posted on my progress.
<Screen Shot 05212021.png>

CAD render


<Diaphragm3.jpg>
<Diaphragm2.jpg>
<Diaphragm1.jpg>

Some photos of the 3D printed diaphragm in standard resin and against the end of my HOn3 LaBelle parlor car under construction. 3D printing would be the best approach since it eliminates all of the issues that mold making has such as undercuts. I'm trying to finish this project as the parlor car is the last car I need to submit towards my AP Master Car Builder certificate.
--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Re: diaphragms for coaches

Art D3
 

I have been working on a similar project for my passenger cars. No commercially available diaphragms I have found are small enough for narrow gauge cars. I have tried unsuccessfully to modify some of the commercial parts to create functional diaphragms. I finally modeled an accurate unit in CAD. Below are photos of the 3D printed CAD model. I was hoping to use a highly flexible printing media. I recently purchased some "flexible" resin to test, but I am not convinced that it will have a material durometer soft enough to be functional when the diaphragms need to compress on a curve without derailing the car. My next attempt will be to create a mold and cast the diaphragm in silicone rubber. Instead of a single casting as I had hoped, the leaf spring unit will likely be a separate casting to mold successfully. I will keep the group posted on my progress.

CAD render



Some photos of the 3D printed diaphragm in standard resin and against the end of my HOn3 LaBelle parlor car under construction. 3D printing would be the best approach since it eliminates all of the issues that mold making has such as undercuts. I'm trying to finish this project as the parlor car is the last car I need to submit towards my AP Master Car Builder certificate.
--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

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