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Re: Tweetsie Time Celebration at ETSU - Registration Instructions

Russ Norris
 

Thanks Curtis.  I can't make the June open house (age and distance) but I am hoping it will be open for the National Convention in September.  I'd love to see the railroad.

Russ

On Tue, May 18, 2021, 3:36 PM Curtis Brookshire via groups.io <curtis.brookshire=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Here's how to register for the Tweetsie Time Celebration at ETSU. I know this works because it's how I registered.
1. Go to the ETSU website: http://www.etsu/edu 
2. Search for the George L. Carter RR Museum
3. On the Carter Museum page click on Events
4. Scroll down and click on the Tweetsie Time Celebration June 4-6 2021
5. Click where it says "Register Here".  It will open a window in survey.monkey that has the registration form. Payment can be made on the day of event or a check sent to Fred Alsop at ETSU
6. Make your hotel reservation if needed. The Hotel Carnegie has a small block of rooms available at a discount.

If you've never seen the ET&WNC layout, it's well worth a visit. If you've been there before, check out what's been done since you've last visited. Hope to see some of you there in June.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level NC 


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Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Tweetsie Time Celebration at ETSU - Registration Instructions

Curtis Brookshire
 

Here's how to register for the Tweetsie Time Celebration at ETSU. I know this works because it's how I registered.
1. Go to the ETSU website: http://www.etsu/edu 
2. Search for the George L. Carter RR Museum
3. On the Carter Museum page click on Events
4. Scroll down and click on the Tweetsie Time Celebration June 4-6 2021
5. Click where it says "Register Here".  It will open a window in survey.monkey that has the registration form. Payment can be made on the day of event or a check sent to Fred Alsop at ETSU
6. Make your hotel reservation if needed. The Hotel Carnegie has a small block of rooms available at a discount.

If you've never seen the ET&WNC layout, it's well worth a visit. If you've been there before, check out what's been done since you've last visited. Hope to see some of you there in June.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level NC 


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Re: Central Valley trucks

John Stutz
 

Bryan

the NWSL insulator is a fairly tough acetyl resin bushing, not easily damaged.  If you are moving wheels in, the bushing will move with the wheel.  For moving them out, use the auxiliary v-plate to push against the bushing.  To preserve the axle tip, use a 60-degree center drill with an extended drilling point that is about half the axle diameter.  This puts any scoring further up the cone, insted of distorting the axle tip.

John

On May 17, 2021 12:18 AM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

John,

I don't mind setting them myself using a "Puller". In this case pushing them, I wasn't sure if moving both wheels might damage the wheel with the insulator ring. If that can be done then greatm problem solved!

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
D&RGW Sn3 and Hon3
Murrieta, CA

On Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:14:26 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:

Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz
On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


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Re: Central Valley trucks

Randy Hees
 

In the past NWSL offered puller screws with hollow points,  I don't see them in their current web catalog, but much of what they do is custom and is likely still available.  The hollow point screw will bear (and mark) the tapered axle away from the point, leaving the bearing surface intact.  I use one to regauge the Bachman wheelsets from On30 to On3.  I spoke to them a year and a half ago as Covid started about On3 wheelsets for Bachman On30 cars.   Custom work was possible but at significant expense.  I am converting a number of the Bachman 4 wheel dump cars to On3, using reguaged wheel sets, and Wiseman's link and pin couplers.  They make a very nice car with little effort.

Randy Hees

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:14 PM John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz
On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: Laying Blackstone Track

LARRY KLOSE
 

Track on my Sn3 layout is all code 55 flex and prefab turnouts
(PBL-Micro-Engineering) and it's all laid with bathroom calk. This is a
great method because if changes are needed it comes up with a palate knife
or putty knife and can be re-attached again with caulk. The only caution is
to have some heavy objects available to hold the track down until the caulk
cures enough to hold everything in place. Caulk can dry out in the tube if
open but unused for a long period so check for this before using it. Make
sure your caulk can be painted so that weathering can be applied and stick
between the ties.

Larry


Re: Laying Blackstone Track

John
 

My track has been down for over twenty years and still good
 But I also added scenery so that might be helping too😊


On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:45 AM, Jim Schulz
<jim@...> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion John.  Based on another recommendation, I actually went with Aleene's Turbo Tacky Glue.  First time I've used it and it's working well.  Wonder how it will hold up over time.  No odor, and nontoxic.

Cheers!

Jim Schulz
New to HOn3


Re: Laying Blackstone Track

Jim Schulz
 

Thanks for the suggestion John.  Based on another recommendation, I actually went with Aleene's Turbo Tacky Glue.  First time I've used it and it's working well.  Wonder how it will hold up over time.  No odor, and nontoxic.

Cheers!

Jim Schulz
New to HOn3


Re: tsunami 2

Climax@...
 

Mark and Dale:
I have been using separate power systems for my NCE systems ever since I started.  In other words I have separate systems that control track power, for the 37 tortoise switch machines, and for accessories like LED's, sound, and action devices such as turn tables.  By doing this I eliminated stray signals or the chance to taking out everything at once.  I use two of the NCE boosters for the track and switch machines and an old MRC 2400 and 1100 transformers for LEDs and TT power.  Seems to work well and allows me to trouble shoot things easliy.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Buxton
Sent: May 17, 2021 7:51 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] tsunami 2

Mark

My Ramp/Meter is wired in as per the instructions and is working just fine. My start up current peak is about 0.23 milliamps. I do not get the 14+ volt reading at start up every time. Only occasionally. The SoundTraxx PDF for Sound Cars goes into this inrush current thing in great detail. So I have tried to obey the warnings in a like manner. I have only had this problem with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive circuits attached. It might have something to do with consisting the sound cars with the locomotive and leaving them that way at system power off without freeing them from the consist prior to system shutdown. I just don't know. But every once in a while something confuses these decoders at startup and they don't work properly until they are cleared in some way. Either by removing power to them completely. Or clearing the previous consist record. Or re-selecting the locomove. or all of the above.  But, I have experienced exactly the same problem that Robert described. 

Tam Valley Depot has created a "Dumb Booster" to  separate the track power bus from the accessory's bus. As I understand the literature on the subject. Havinall all your accessory decoders on the track bus can also cause a current in-rush at system startup. It would seem as more and more items are added to the DCC world. More and more better ways to wire them need to be created.

Dale Buxton

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:09 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the qjuestion to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the initial inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge fully when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: tsunami 2

Dale Buxton
 

Mark

My Ramp/Meter is wired in as per the instructions and is working just fine. My start up current peak is about 0.23 milliamps. I do not get the 14+ volt reading at start up every time. Only occasionally. The SoundTraxx PDF for Sound Cars goes into this inrush current thing in great detail. So I have tried to obey the warnings in a like manner. I have only had this problem with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive circuits attached. It might have something to do with consisting the sound cars with the locomotive and leaving them that way at system power off without freeing them from the consist prior to system shutdown. I just don't know. But every once in a while something confuses these decoders at startup and they don't work properly until they are cleared in some way. Either by removing power to them completely. Or clearing the previous consist record. Or re-selecting the locomove. or all of the above.  But, I have experienced exactly the same problem that Robert described. 

Tam Valley Depot has created a "Dumb Booster" to  separate the track power bus from the accessory's bus. As I understand the literature on the subject. Havinall all your accessory decoders on the track bus can also cause a current in-rush at system startup. It would seem as more and more items are added to the DCC world. More and more better ways to wire them need to be created.

Dale Buxton

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:09 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the qjuestion to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the initial inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge fully when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: tsunami 2

bob.meckley@...
 

Bob:
         A similar problem can occur with a NCE 5 Amp Power Pro if the internal battery goes dead. Replace the battery and things may go back to normal. I have all my decoder CV's in JMRI Decoder Pro files. I once used the Programming Track option to reset a loco and managed to reset all my locos to 003. Reset all one by one using Decoder Pro. Don't have a programming track on your layout as I have.

Bob Meckley


Re: Central Valley trucks

Bryian Sones
 

John,

I don't mind setting them myself using a "Puller". In this case pushing them, I wasn't sure if moving both wheels might damage the wheel with the insulator ring. If that can be done then greatm problem solved!

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
D&RGW Sn3 and Hon3
Murrieta, CA


On Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:14:26 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz
On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: tsunami 2

Mark Kasprowicz
 
Edited

I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the question to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge immediately when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: Central Valley trucks

John Stutz
 

Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz

On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: tsunami 2

Dale Buxton
 

Bob,
I've experienced this peculiarity too and I only have it with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive Circuits installed. I have installed Tsunami II's in a highly modified Westside C-16 and 4 Blackstone Economy Boxcars set as Sound Cars. I've experienced this with every single one of these decoders. The problem only affects the Tsunami II's sound out-put. The problem might be with the consisting of my sound cars to the C-16. So. I always start by deleting all the consists stored in the DCC system.

First I have to ask this. What DCC system are you using? I am wondering if this might have something to do with one or more DCC systems out there.  

I run a NCE 5 amp system.

The only cure I've found that seems (most of the time) to fix this is to take the loco or sound car off of the track completely and let it sit for a while with no power whatsoever to it. Since I first encountered this peculiarity, I've never let them sit for less than a half-hour before re-tying to start them up again.

So this is my theory and it is only that. I think the problem has something to do with "In-Rush Track Voltage at System Start-Up. I've read in the NCE and SoundTraxx manuals that there is an In-Rush of Voltage at System Start-Up. I have an electronic voltage meter from American Hobby Distributors called a RRAMP/Meter. The nominal track voltage on an NCE system is 13.9 volts. But at start-up it will jump to as much as 14.1 volts (than I have purposely observed).

This in-rush of track voltage is because the NCE system detects a need for more voltage than the usual nominal track voltage of 13.9 volts in order to power up the "Keep-Alive Units". I only have the 5 Tsunami II's w/Keep-Alive, so I have to wonder if even more Tsunami II's w/Keep-Alive would prolong the duration of this Start-Up voltage in-rush. I've never formally asked this question of NCE or Sound Traxx.

My cure leads me to believe that there is some sort of voltage peak or thermal electronic circuit breaker (or maybe even both?) in the Tsunami II's that is there to protect the sound circuitry. In my theory the Keep-Alive must somehow be wired into the Tsunami II in between the ECB and the Sound Circuit. So when this ECB in the Tsunami II sound circuit detects a higher in-bound voltage than ECB's design limits, the ECB limits what is ultimately getting to the sound circuitry. The ECB must also have a thermal protector and a memory state of the ECB trip threshold being exceeded. I kind of wonder if this memory component to its trip-off state remains at shut-off of power and any power from the Keep-Alive keeps this memory state alive until all of the power is drained from the Keep-Alive.

None of my TCS or Loksound decoders with Keep-Alive (like) circuits exhibit this peculiarity. But allowing the Tsunami II to either cool down or drain completely of any residual power seems to end the problem.

Dale Buxton

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:18 PM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

good afternoon fellow users
 
I don't run stuff to often but I found after a layoff for a month or 2 my steamers seem to lose their memory. My K-37 had some sounds but the engine would not move and no steam sounds. Reset the on/off a bunch and no help. Complete reset cv 8 =8 but no difference. Another modeler said to reset 16 17 & 30 to 0  no help. Contacted Soundtraxx but no answer yet. Any one else have/had this problem ?    Bob Veefkind


Re: Central Valley trucks

Robert Veefkind
 

Is this for the PSC k-37 ? I’m looking too. No luck. Bob V


Re: Central Valley trucks

Bryian Sones
 

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
D&RGW Sn3 and Hon3
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:


Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: Laying Blackstone Track

John
 

When I built and N scale layout using Kato track, I used bathtub caulk to hold it down. Kato track is basically the same as Blackstone, just different gauge!. 
John Peckham
Torrance, Southern California


On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 1:17 PM, Jim Schulz
<jim@...> wrote:
Greetings Everyone

I'm new to this group and was looking for some advise.  I normally model in On30, but my display case of HOn3 Blackstone engines and rolling stock has sat unused for far too long.  I started to build a small HOn3 layout just to run these models.

A while back I acquired a nice oval of Blackstone snap track, and wish to installing it on a 4' x 8' x 2" sheet of blue insulation foam, wrapped in 1x4 pine.  I'd like to attach the Blackstone snap track to this blue foam, but I'm not sure how.  Has anyone ever glued Blackstone snap track to foam?  If so, what kind of glue was used.  The undersides of this snap track looks quite slippery.

Many Thanks!

Jim Schulz
Coyote Creek & Rio Grande


Laying Blackstone Track

Jim Schulz
 

Greetings Everyone

I'm new to this group and was looking for some advise.  I normally model in On30, but my display case of HOn3 Blackstone engines and rolling stock has sat unused for far too long.  I started to build a small HOn3 layout just to run these models.

A while back I acquired a nice oval of Blackstone snap track, and wish to installing it on a 4' x 8' x 2" sheet of blue insulation foam, wrapped in 1x4 pine.  I'd like to attach the Blackstone snap track to this blue foam, but I'm not sure how.  Has anyone ever glued Blackstone snap track to foam?  If so, what kind of glue was used.  The undersides of this snap track looks quite slippery.

Many Thanks!

Jim Schulz
Coyote Creek & Rio Grande

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