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Re: Laying Blackstone Track

Jim Schulz
 

Thanks for the suggestion John.  Based on another recommendation, I actually went with Aleene's Turbo Tacky Glue.  First time I've used it and it's working well.  Wonder how it will hold up over time.  No odor, and nontoxic.

Cheers!

Jim Schulz
New to HOn3


Re: tsunami 2

Climax@...
 

Mark and Dale:
I have been using separate power systems for my NCE systems ever since I started.  In other words I have separate systems that control track power, for the 37 tortoise switch machines, and for accessories like LED's, sound, and action devices such as turn tables.  By doing this I eliminated stray signals or the chance to taking out everything at once.  I use two of the NCE boosters for the track and switch machines and an old MRC 2400 and 1100 transformers for LEDs and TT power.  Seems to work well and allows me to trouble shoot things easliy.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Buxton
Sent: May 17, 2021 7:51 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] tsunami 2

Mark

My Ramp/Meter is wired in as per the instructions and is working just fine. My start up current peak is about 0.23 milliamps. I do not get the 14+ volt reading at start up every time. Only occasionally. The SoundTraxx PDF for Sound Cars goes into this inrush current thing in great detail. So I have tried to obey the warnings in a like manner. I have only had this problem with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive circuits attached. It might have something to do with consisting the sound cars with the locomotive and leaving them that way at system power off without freeing them from the consist prior to system shutdown. I just don't know. But every once in a while something confuses these decoders at startup and they don't work properly until they are cleared in some way. Either by removing power to them completely. Or clearing the previous consist record. Or re-selecting the locomove. or all of the above.  But, I have experienced exactly the same problem that Robert described. 

Tam Valley Depot has created a "Dumb Booster" to  separate the track power bus from the accessory's bus. As I understand the literature on the subject. Havinall all your accessory decoders on the track bus can also cause a current in-rush at system startup. It would seem as more and more items are added to the DCC world. More and more better ways to wire them need to be created.

Dale Buxton

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:09 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the qjuestion to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the initial inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge fully when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: tsunami 2

Dale Buxton
 

Mark

My Ramp/Meter is wired in as per the instructions and is working just fine. My start up current peak is about 0.23 milliamps. I do not get the 14+ volt reading at start up every time. Only occasionally. The SoundTraxx PDF for Sound Cars goes into this inrush current thing in great detail. So I have tried to obey the warnings in a like manner. I have only had this problem with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive circuits attached. It might have something to do with consisting the sound cars with the locomotive and leaving them that way at system power off without freeing them from the consist prior to system shutdown. I just don't know. But every once in a while something confuses these decoders at startup and they don't work properly until they are cleared in some way. Either by removing power to them completely. Or clearing the previous consist record. Or re-selecting the locomove. or all of the above.  But, I have experienced exactly the same problem that Robert described. 

Tam Valley Depot has created a "Dumb Booster" to  separate the track power bus from the accessory's bus. As I understand the literature on the subject. Havinall all your accessory decoders on the track bus can also cause a current in-rush at system startup. It would seem as more and more items are added to the DCC world. More and more better ways to wire them need to be created.

Dale Buxton

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:09 AM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the qjuestion to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the initial inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge fully when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: tsunami 2

bob.meckley@...
 

Bob:
         A similar problem can occur with a NCE 5 Amp Power Pro if the internal battery goes dead. Replace the battery and things may go back to normal. I have all my decoder CV's in JMRI Decoder Pro files. I once used the Programming Track option to reset a loco and managed to reset all my locos to 003. Reset all one by one using Decoder Pro. Don't have a programming track on your layout as I have.

Bob Meckley


Re: Central Valley trucks

Bryian Sones
 

John,

I don't mind setting them myself using a "Puller". In this case pushing them, I wasn't sure if moving both wheels might damage the wheel with the insulator ring. If that can be done then greatm problem solved!

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
D&RGW Sn3 and Hon3
Murrieta, CA


On Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:14:26 PM PDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz
On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: tsunami 2

Mark Kasprowicz
 
Edited

I've not heard of this happening though perhaps putting the question to the Soundtraxx list might shed more light.

As for inrush that's a current thing, not voltage. I am not sure how your  RRAMP meter is connected Dale, but you do not mention the current reading because that's the one that shows the inrush on start up, the difference of 0.2 volts is insignificant. Inrush is created by a number of stay alive devices starting to charge their capacitors at the same time which tricks the system into thinking it's seeing a short because the demand is so high and so sudden. That said stay alive units have a simple circuit to slow the charge current going into them but which allows the stay alive to discharge immediately when track power is not detected.

If you wire the RRAMP meter in series with the NCE output and not just across it, the inrush will be very apparent and much more than magnitudes of 0.2 in 14.

The stay alive is connected to the decoders' +ve and -ve DC rails. I think some of the early sound decoders seperated the motor circuit from the lights and sound but that no longer holds true.

Mark K


Re: Central Valley trucks

John Stutz
 

Bryian & Len

You could purchase NWSL 26" code 88 SG wheelsets, and a Puller, and push each wheel in 3 mm.  So long as you preserve the axle's needle points,  the modified wheelsets will still roll well. 

John Stutz

On May 16, 2021 3:30 PM Bryian Sones via groups.io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones

On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: tsunami 2

Dale Buxton
 

Bob,
I've experienced this peculiarity too and I only have it with Tsunami II decoders with Keep-Alive Circuits installed. I have installed Tsunami II's in a highly modified Westside C-16 and 4 Blackstone Economy Boxcars set as Sound Cars. I've experienced this with every single one of these decoders. The problem only affects the Tsunami II's sound out-put. The problem might be with the consisting of my sound cars to the C-16. So. I always start by deleting all the consists stored in the DCC system.

First I have to ask this. What DCC system are you using? I am wondering if this might have something to do with one or more DCC systems out there.  

I run a NCE 5 amp system.

The only cure I've found that seems (most of the time) to fix this is to take the loco or sound car off of the track completely and let it sit for a while with no power whatsoever to it. Since I first encountered this peculiarity, I've never let them sit for less than a half-hour before re-tying to start them up again.

So this is my theory and it is only that. I think the problem has something to do with "In-Rush Track Voltage at System Start-Up. I've read in the NCE and SoundTraxx manuals that there is an In-Rush of Voltage at System Start-Up. I have an electronic voltage meter from American Hobby Distributors called a RRAMP/Meter. The nominal track voltage on an NCE system is 13.9 volts. But at start-up it will jump to as much as 14.1 volts (than I have purposely observed).

This in-rush of track voltage is because the NCE system detects a need for more voltage than the usual nominal track voltage of 13.9 volts in order to power up the "Keep-Alive Units". I only have the 5 Tsunami II's w/Keep-Alive, so I have to wonder if even more Tsunami II's w/Keep-Alive would prolong the duration of this Start-Up voltage in-rush. I've never formally asked this question of NCE or Sound Traxx.

My cure leads me to believe that there is some sort of voltage peak or thermal electronic circuit breaker (or maybe even both?) in the Tsunami II's that is there to protect the sound circuitry. In my theory the Keep-Alive must somehow be wired into the Tsunami II in between the ECB and the Sound Circuit. So when this ECB in the Tsunami II sound circuit detects a higher in-bound voltage than ECB's design limits, the ECB limits what is ultimately getting to the sound circuitry. The ECB must also have a thermal protector and a memory state of the ECB trip threshold being exceeded. I kind of wonder if this memory component to its trip-off state remains at shut-off of power and any power from the Keep-Alive keeps this memory state alive until all of the power is drained from the Keep-Alive.

None of my TCS or Loksound decoders with Keep-Alive (like) circuits exhibit this peculiarity. But allowing the Tsunami II to either cool down or drain completely of any residual power seems to end the problem.

Dale Buxton

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:18 PM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

good afternoon fellow users
 
I don't run stuff to often but I found after a layoff for a month or 2 my steamers seem to lose their memory. My K-37 had some sounds but the engine would not move and no steam sounds. Reset the on/off a bunch and no help. Complete reset cv 8 =8 but no difference. Another modeler said to reset 16 17 & 30 to 0  no help. Contacted Soundtraxx but no answer yet. Any one else have/had this problem ?    Bob Veefkind


Re: Central Valley trucks

Robert Veefkind
 

Is this for the PSC k-37 ? I’m looking too. No luck. Bob V


Re: Central Valley trucks

Bryian Sones
 

Len, 

No, unfortunately I never got a response from them.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
D&RGW Sn3 and Hon3
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM PDT, LenTRaley via groups.io <lentraley@...> wrote:


Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Re: Laying Blackstone Track

John
 

When I built and N scale layout using Kato track, I used bathtub caulk to hold it down. Kato track is basically the same as Blackstone, just different gauge!. 
John Peckham
Torrance, Southern California


On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 1:17 PM, Jim Schulz
<jim@...> wrote:
Greetings Everyone

I'm new to this group and was looking for some advise.  I normally model in On30, but my display case of HOn3 Blackstone engines and rolling stock has sat unused for far too long.  I started to build a small HOn3 layout just to run these models.

A while back I acquired a nice oval of Blackstone snap track, and wish to installing it on a 4' x 8' x 2" sheet of blue insulation foam, wrapped in 1x4 pine.  I'd like to attach the Blackstone snap track to this blue foam, but I'm not sure how.  Has anyone ever glued Blackstone snap track to foam?  If so, what kind of glue was used.  The undersides of this snap track looks quite slippery.

Many Thanks!

Jim Schulz
Coyote Creek & Rio Grande


Laying Blackstone Track

Jim Schulz
 

Greetings Everyone

I'm new to this group and was looking for some advise.  I normally model in On30, but my display case of HOn3 Blackstone engines and rolling stock has sat unused for far too long.  I started to build a small HOn3 layout just to run these models.

A while back I acquired a nice oval of Blackstone snap track, and wish to installing it on a 4' x 8' x 2" sheet of blue insulation foam, wrapped in 1x4 pine.  I'd like to attach the Blackstone snap track to this blue foam, but I'm not sure how.  Has anyone ever glued Blackstone snap track to foam?  If so, what kind of glue was used.  The undersides of this snap track looks quite slippery.

Many Thanks!

Jim Schulz
Coyote Creek & Rio Grande


D&RG T-12

Mike Conder
 

Anybody have one for sale?  Looking for something for a conversion to a Class 45.5 with straight boiler.

Mike Conder



tsunami 2

Robert Veefkind
 


good afternoon fellow users
 
I don't run stuff to often but I found after a layoff for a month or 2 my steamers seem to lose their memory. My K-37 had some sounds but the engine would not move and no steam sounds. Reset the on/off a bunch and no help. Complete reset cv 8 =8 but no difference. Another modeler said to reset 16 17 & 30 to 0  no help. Contacted Soundtraxx but no answer yet. Any one else have/had this problem ?    Bob Veefkind


Tweetsie Time Celebration at ETSU

Curtis Brookshire
 

Dr. Fred Alsop III and the crew at East Tennessee State University's George L. Carter Museum have a super program developed for the weekend of June 4-6. Features include operations of the museum's HOn3 ET&WNC layout and clinics on the railroad and how the crew is modeling it. They layout has been featured in White River's HOn3 Annuals.

We are just putting together a 2.5-day celebration of the Tweetsie railroad and our Carter Railroad Museum layout for the days in June that we would normally have been conducting the Annual Big Train Show.  The entire focus is on the ET&WNC from prototype to our model layout. 

TWEETSIE “TIME CELEBRATION” – Remembering Our Past, Enjoying Our Present

The 2021 Inaugural Tweetsie Time Celebration held at the George L. Carter Railroad Museum on the campus of East Tennessee State University, Johnson City, TN, will showcase both on-site and guided events. This will occur on the June 4-5 weekend originally slated for the BIG Train Show. There will be 4 activities each day. Premium registration is $85.00, limited to 60 people and will include a thumb drive archive of data and photographs as event syllabus, signed copy of Rail Mail book, Friday lunch and pre-dinner, Saturday lunch and access to all activities, including a full-route operation opportunity of an HOn3 train on the museum’s world class exhibit layout and participation in the operating session finale. 

FRIDAY

10:00 AM to 12:00 Noon – Operating Session #1 – limited to 4 participants, 13 years and older.

LUNCH BREAK – 12:00 to 1:30 – preordered at Duck Taco in the former ET&WNC depot

2:00 PM to 4:00 PM – Operating Session #2 – limited to 4 participants, 13 years and older. 

4:00 PM to 6:00 PM– Operating Session #3 – limited to 4 participants, 13 years and older.

PRE-DINNER BREAK – 5:30 to 6:15

FRIDAY SEMINARS – Prototype History

10:45 AM- 12:00 Noon – “The Narrow Gauge Dilemma – How It Happened, Why it Ended” PowerPoint – Geoff Stunkard – Author, historian, archivist – This overview will showcase the reasons why narrow guage railroading grew in popularity, its benefits and deficiencies, and its final decline. Stunkard will present an visual guide to this history and his collection of over 500 worldwide narrow gauge postcards will be on display for examination.

Geoff Stunkard is the author of the book “Rail Mail: A History of American Railroading on Picture Postcards” and serves as the museum’s Heritage Day coordinator. He has served as a Carter Museum volunteer since 2008 and formerly functioned in that capacity at the Pennsylvania State Railroad Musuem as well. His photography and writing has appeared in TRAINS, Railroad & Railfan, Rail Pace and the defunct Railway & Locomotive Preservation. Most recently, he has been documenting the construction of the museum’s ET&WNC model exhibit for White River Productions. He is also well-known in the collector car community for his books, professional magazine work, and occasional appearances on NBC Sports in conjunction with Mecum automotive auctions. He and his wife live in Johnson City. 

1:45 – 3:00 PM – “A Role in Rock History - Geology of the Appalachians and Tweetise’s Useful Purpose”  PowerPoint -- The geography of the region was crucial to the railroad’s purpose. This will focus on the areas of the line that meant so much to its success – the ore mine at Cranberry, the scenic beauty of the Doe River Gorge, the quarry at Milligan, and coke and coal for the furnace at Johnson City, which came from regional sources as well.   

Dr. Michael J Whitelaw, Professor of GeoSciences, ETSU, does research in Stratigraphy, East Tennessee Regional Geology, and is a active field scientist.  He teaches classes in  Exploring Geology, Geologic Evolution of North America, Geology Field Methods, Subsurface Geology, Geosciences Field Camp, Sedimentation and Stratigraphy, Structural Geology, Plate Tectonics, and is rated as an outstanding professor by his students.

 

3:45 – 5:15 PM “It Was Here Once: Railroad Archeology with Dr Alsop” PowerPoint - The effort to develop the museum’s historical narrative required diligence. Master model builder Fred J Alsop will showcase the effort that went into building just one of the many buildings on display on the layout as well as overall points of interest that have been recreated true-to-form. Once completed, seminar attendees will be directed to view the areas in question located on the layout.

EXAMPLE - Dr. Fred Alsop has served as the director of the George L. Carter Railroad Museum since its founding in 2007 and retired from teaching in early 2021 after an critically-acclaimed career in the Biology Dept at East Tennessee State University. Author of several books on birds, he has traveled globally as a naturalist and has focused his most recent efforts on the development of the railroad museum’s long-term mission and success. Alsop’s precise discipline in accurate model building is a crucial part of the ET&WNC exhibit, and he has attained toward Master Modeler status through this effort. Wearing many hats, he also serves as President of the Mountain Empire Model Railroaders club, which owns the large HO scale exhibit in the museum and President of the Carter Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society, also based in the museum. He and his wife live in Johnson City. 

6:30 PM – 8:00 PM weather permitting “I Walk the Line: An Evening Hike on the Tweetsie Trail.” TBD - likely led by Stunkard, Alsop, Sager. This hike or bike will encompass 3 miles of the trail, starting from Happy Valley Elementary and heading uphill toward Johnson City. Places highlighted to include Buffalo Creek, Milligan quarry, Milligan whistle stop, retention and building locations, mill track switch area and overview of Johnson City yard. All hike attendees will receive a map of the trail and regional map of other ET&WNC places to visit.

FRIDAY evening If desired– Group chow time at the Cootie Brown’s near ETSU Campus (this optional meal is NOT included in fees)

SATURDAY

10:00 AM to 12:00 Noon – Operating Session #1 – limited to 4 participants, 13 years and older.

LUNCH BREAK – 12:00 to 1:30 – preordered at Duck Taco in the former ET&WNC depot

2:00 PM to 4:00 PM – Operating Session #2 – limited to 4 participants, 13 years and older. 

 

SATURDAY Seminars – Model Subjects

10:00AM-11:00AM – Volume Tree building with Ken Harmon 

11:00AM-12:00 Noon – Hidden Highlights Layout Tour with Greg M and Mike Buster

11:00AM – 12:00 Noon – Rock Forms in the Doe River Gorge with Fred Alsop and Mike Sager

12:00 Noon – 1:00PM – New Frontiers Moin del Photography with Geoff Stunkard and Logan Heaton

1:00PM – 2:00PM – The Johnson City Mill Model overview TBD

2:00PM – 3:00PM – MicroMark Model Making and 3d Imaging with Ben Merritt

2:00PM -3:00PM – Cranberry Mine structures and details with Fred Alsop

3:00PM – 6:00PM – Train Order Operations on the ET&WNC layout – active participation by ATTENDEES ONLY. 

SATURDAY If desired– Chow time at the Yeehaw Brewery in the former ET&WNC depot (meal NOT included in fees)

SUNDAY

9:00AM-12:00 Noon—Carpool to the Christian Ministries Camp, Hampton, TN, at the mouth of the Doe River Gorge for a rail ride on the former ET&WNC Railroad tracks into the gorge to Pardee Point and a short, guided hike along the railroad east to tunnel #4 and the deck truss bridge. Return by rail to the parking area and view the restored 4-4-0 Crown steam locomotive. The celebrations end following the hike and rail ride and we depart for our homes.

For additional information contact Dr. Fred Alsop via email at alsopf@..., or by mobile phone 

 

 


Re: Central Valley trucks

LenTRaley
 

Bryian:

Did you ever get a response from NWSL regarding your request for 26"
wheels centered on a standard gauge axle set to HOn3 gauge? 

Len Raley


Painting HO scale hydrocal wall castings video

Darryl Huffman
 

I built the old Yorke Pool Hall and Bordello in HO a couple of years back.

Several people asked how I painted the stone walls.

So I filmed a short video on how I do it.  It's on Youtube at:





Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can find my Youtube Channel of Model Building Videos Here:


You can follow my blog here:





Re: Passenger Car Roofs

Mark Lewis
 

Tony,

Thank you for the very clear prototype and model photos.
Not much canvas shown, if at all, in the prototype photos.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 4:20 AM tonyk537 via groups.io <Tonyk375=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
HOn3 roofs.

Labelle or MRGS scribed


Re: Passenger Car Roofs

tonyk537
 

HOn3 roofs.

Labelle or MRGS scribed


Re: Passenger Car Roofs

tonyk537
 

roof details

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