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Re: Western Rails HOn3 trucks UPDATE

Brian Kopp
 

David, from Western Rails sent along a couple of the newly designed TR05 D&RGW 3'7" arch bar trucks.
They are an improvement over the previous design and I will be ordering some soon!

The material (resin??) seems stronger and less brittle. I didn't loose any brake shoes while cleaning off sprue bits, reaming the journals, and installing the wheels.
Most importantly, the new design has good clearance from the Kadee 718 wheelset axles. I didn't even have to scrape off that axle ridge on  the Kadee wheelsets.

I was able to get away with about 10 turns of a 1mm tap in the journals. I checked first and without doing this the trucks did not roll as well as I wanted. You may recall Bill Miller shared his trick of reaming journals with a 1-72 tap. I went for a smaller tap so as not to enlarge the holes. After a dab of Neolube 2 in the journals using a white microbrush, the 718 wheelsets dropped right in.

The new trucks rolled out a little further than Kadee trucks do on my test ramp, although they didn't make it as far as Blackstones will (the gold standard I guess, and just as expensive if you can find them on  ebay -- did anyone see that set of 8 pairs climbing towards $150 with 3 days to go??).

Here are the photos of the new trucks before and after my novice paint job to get them ready for mounting (still some weathering to do). I like that the little axle clearance cut-outs don't really show under the axle.....

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL



Labelle Early C&S Reefer decals

Andrew Keplinger
 

Hello, I have these decals for sale 15.00 for all. Free shipping.  Contact me off line akep1963@... 
  Thanks Andy 


Books For Sale

Spike
 

Gang, I am reducing my library, please see the attached for consideration.

Check or Money order will be fine.

please respond to redmountainspike at hotmail dot com

Thanks
Todd Leftwich
Canton MO


Gilpin Railroad Book

Andrew Keplinger
 

I have this book for sale. Asking 25 plus 4 shipping.  Contact me off line akep1963@... 
 Thanks


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Mike Settle
 

Hey, Scott, I ordered them directly from Brunel Models. I paid with Paypal. They were quick about getting them mailed to me. I am not aware of a US distributor.

Mike Settle


SOLD: FOS SCALE LIMITED RUN KIT from 2005 CALDWELL JUNCTION

Darryl Huffman
 

My kit has been sold.


Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can find my Youtube Channel of Model Building Videos Here:


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FOR SALE: FOS SCALE LIMITED RUN KIT from 2005 CALDWELL JUNCTION

Darryl Huffman
 

I have for sale the FOS SCALE limited run kit for 2005.  Kit number 70.  CALDWELL JUNCTION.

This limited run kit consists of 6 different structures.

Price is $180 which translates to $30 per structure.

FREE SHIPPING to anywhere in the USA.

Ships the day after payment is received.

Ships from Star, Idaho

If interested, please contact me off list.

Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can find my Youtube Channel of Model Building Videos Here:


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Hon3 2016 Annual for sal

Andrew Keplinger
 

Selling 2016 Annual 15 +4 shipping.  Contact me at akep1963@... if interested. 


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Scott Baker
 

Thanks Mike. Did you buy through a US distributer?

Scott


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Mike Settle
 

The following company makes siding making tools in several scales.

Brunel Models Corrugated Iron Maker (brunelhobbies.com.au)

I purchased the 1/35th scale and the HO scale ones but have not tried them out yet.

Mike Settle


Re: NG Passenger Car Brake rigging

Earl Knoob
 

The D&RGW used F triple valves on narrow gauge passenger cars until around 1960, when they were changed to K triple valves.  By then, the only passenger cars were those used on the Silverton trains.  Any cars retired or converted to work train service before 1960 would still have F triple valves.  On the C&TS, the three RPO cars as well as 0452 and 292 all had F triple valves and it appears they have stayed with them.  I don't know what kind of valves are on the 256.  I believe the Pullman got a K triple valve.  I believe the cars at Knott's still have F triple valves.

A lot of the cars on the narrow gauge had H triples converted to K valves.  When bolted to the aux. reservoir, the only give-a-way to the valve being a K triple is a small fin on the top of the valve.  H triples don't have the fin.  When an H is converted to a K, a sheet metal fin is screwed on to the body.

the main difference between an H valve and a K valve is a K has a "retarded release and recharge" feature.  This makes the cars near the front of the train release and recharge slower than the cars on the rear of a 50+ car train.  As the cars on the head end get the air signal to release and recharge sooner than the cars on the rear, by retarding the release and recharge on the head end cars, all the cars in a long train did equal work.  Increasing the brake pipe pressure 3-5 lbs. put the triple valve into full release, 5 lbs. increase and above pushed the valve into retarded release and recharge.

In reality, we found that on a 20-car train, all the cars released in "retarded release" mode.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hees <randyhees@...>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 7:47 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NG Passenger Car Brake rigging
 
The drawing I included seems to have been the standard brake system after the adoption of automatic brakes on the D&RG(W) passenger.  The surprise to me was the use of a "F" triple valve... this was the first Westinghouse automatic brake valve, replaced by the "H" triple c. 1885.  The "H" had "fast action" was needed to meet the specifications called for in the Burlington Air Brake trials.  Fast action would vent the brake pipe when an emergency application was made.  On SP, the old F triplets were called out as "slow action" on car record cards.  F triples were thought to be ok for up to 10 cars... the new H triple was good for 30 cars.   H triples were used on the big car orders or 1903...  In 1907 the H was superseded by the K triple.  K & H triples were very similar, and a H could be upgraded to a K.  I understand that the D&RG also used F triples on tenders.

Randy Hees... 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:47 AM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Regarding the 1885 drawing...  There was no reason for the auxiliary reservoir shown on the drawing.  In 1885 straight air was used on passenger trains, which had no use for an auxiliary reservoir.  Rather odd.  Perhaps the drawing was updated much later to reflect the addition of automatic air brakes.

The drawing Randy posted shows the auxiliary reservoir utilized with automatic air brakes, which, of course, is utilized on the modern rebuild of the historic passenger car fleet.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Spike <redmountainspike@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:04 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NG Passenger Car Brake rigging
 
Don,

See attached, for modeling use only. From the Wayne Lincoln Collection

Standard Car 1885 rebuild plans.

This is straight air.

Todd Leftwich


Re: NG Passenger Car Brake rigging

Randy Hees
 

The drawing I included seems to have been the standard brake system after the adoption of automatic brakes on the D&RG(W) passenger.  The surprise to me was the use of a "F" triple valve... this was the first Westinghouse automatic brake valve, replaced by the "H" triple c. 1885.  The "H" had "fast action" was needed to meet the specifications called for in the Burlington Air Brake trials.  Fast action would vent the brake pipe when an emergency application was made.  On SP, the old F triplets were called out as "slow action" on car record cards.  F triples were thought to be ok for up to 10 cars... the new H triple was good for 30 cars.   H triples were used on the big car orders or 1903...  In 1907 the H was superseded by the K triple.  K & H triples were very similar, and a H could be upgraded to a K.  I understand that the D&RG also used F triples on tenders.

Randy Hees... 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:47 AM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Regarding the 1885 drawing...  There was no reason for the auxiliary reservoir shown on the drawing.  In 1885 straight air was used on passenger trains, which had no use for an auxiliary reservoir.  Rather odd.  Perhaps the drawing was updated much later to reflect the addition of automatic air brakes.

The drawing Randy posted shows the auxiliary reservoir utilized with automatic air brakes, which, of course, is utilized on the modern rebuild of the historic passenger car fleet.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Spike <redmountainspike@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:04 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NG Passenger Car Brake rigging
 
Don,

See attached, for modeling use only. From the Wayne Lincoln Collection

Standard Car 1885 rebuild plans.

This is straight air.

Todd Leftwich


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Mike Conder
 

Oh thanks Scott, that was my first loco kit bashing and it’s neat to hear that someone remembers it!

Mike Conder 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 6:25 PM Scott Baker <sbake5570@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike. BTW, I loved the article you helped write on kitbashing/backdating Blackstone C-19's a few years back in the hon3 annual.

--
Mike Conder


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Scott Baker
 

Thanks Mike. BTW, I loved the article you helped write on kitbashing/backdating Blackstone C-19's a few years back in the hon3 annual.


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Mike Conder
 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 6:07 PM Scott Baker <sbake5570@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the responses from everyone.
Ed, that sounds interesting. What I have seen others do is spread out a thin layer of silicon caulk on possibly a sheet of wax paper and then lay the foil on the caulk bed. This would allow the tines in the tool i used impress deeper in the foil. I did a quick experiment with the foil on a sheet of glass that is on my work bench and the impression was not deep enough. The thin caulk layer on the bottom of the foil will also help prevent the ribs from being crushed.

Jim, I have only seen the ho scale Plastruct and it seemed out of scale. The N scale sounds like it may be a good choice and the fact that the sheet is thinner is even better.

Ray, I hope to find motors for larger K series locomotives k-27,28,36, etc. I was modeling TOC NG (and still build models from this era) but have recently begun to focus on the San Juan Extension after destroying layout and moving to a new house. I have enough room to model Durango extensively and two of the lines leaving town. I'm just beginning planning stage, building Durango structures, and considering modeling the line to Chama and the the line to Silverton with the RGS being the third line out of town that will be represented with staging. I'm also considering reversing Silverton/RGS in regards to staging. These are just ideas, I'm still very early in research...Scott

--
Mike Conder


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Scott Baker
 

Thanks for all the responses from everyone.
Ed, that sounds interesting. What I have seen others do is spread out a thin layer of silicon caulk on possibly a sheet of wax paper and then lay the foil on the caulk bed. This would allow the tines in the tool i used impress deeper in the foil. I did a quick experiment with the foil on a sheet of glass that is on my work bench and the impression was not deep enough. The thin caulk layer on the bottom of the foil will also help prevent the ribs from being crushed.

Jim, I have only seen the ho scale Plastruct and it seemed out of scale. The N scale sounds like it may be a good choice and the fact that the sheet is thinner is even better.

Ray, I hope to find motors for larger K series locomotives k-27,28,36, etc. I was modeling TOC NG (and still build models from this era) but have recently begun to focus on the San Juan Extension after destroying layout and moving to a new house. I have enough room to model Durango extensively and two of the lines leaving town. I'm just beginning planning stage, building Durango structures, and considering modeling the line to Chama and the the line to Silverton with the RGS being the third line out of town that will be represented with staging. I'm also considering reversing Silverton/RGS in regards to staging. These are just ideas, I'm still very early in research...Scott


Re: NG Passenger Car Brake rigging

Earl Knoob
 

Regarding the 1885 drawing...  There was no reason for the auxiliary reservoir shown on the drawing.  In 1885 straight air was used on passenger trains, which had no use for an auxiliary reservoir.  Rather odd.  Perhaps the drawing was updated much later to reflect the addition of automatic air brakes.

The drawing Randy posted shows the auxiliary reservoir utilized with automatic air brakes, which, of course, is utilized on the modern rebuild of the historic passenger car fleet.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Spike <redmountainspike@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:04 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NG Passenger Car Brake rigging
 
Don,

See attached, for modeling use only. From the Wayne Lincoln Collection

Standard Car 1885 rebuild plans.

This is straight air.

Todd Leftwich


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Ray
 


--What are the units for the motor?
Ray in Colorado


Red Mountain was Re: Brake gear

Spike
 

David, According to the D&RG Inventory and appraisemsnt sheet dated Sept. 13 1879, the Red Mountain (Car # 200) had Air Brakes.  Since the SRR didn't get the Red Mountain til 1888, I think it can be assumed that the Standard N.G. Plan of 1885 would apply.  so I think ya done good.

As an aside, attached is a pic of one of the Red Mountain tensioning couplings, and a view of one of the bolsters.

Todd


Re: The continual quest for metal siding...

Eric Schrowang
 

Thats the one. Saw a demo on Trains TV looked pretty good.
Eric

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:34 AM Bruce <in2trains@...> wrote:

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