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Re: Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Mike Conder
 

Yes on locos I agree with Ray but all Blackstone locos are definitely RTR right out of the box, whether or not they're DCC.  Some very early Blackstone K-27's had an issue with over-oiled motors but if you get a new one or one that has been running there should be no isse.  No issues with the C-19's.

Brass is very individual, some are good runners right off but many take a little bit of tinkering/tuning.  And others are just dogs.  So that depends on which one you find.  So far I've found most Westside locos to be pretty good though I'm sure there's an exception or two.

Many others on this list have LOTS more experience with brass than I do.  So if you find something, might be worth asking here on the particular engine to get more specific advice.

Mike Conder

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:02 AM Ray <rayhon3@...> wrote:
You seem to have a good grasp of where to go with this.  As far as engines you have assessed the Blackstone/Brass scape quite well.
I suggest scratch building SP structures.  It really isn't hard and if you don't worry about exact replicas it goes pretty fast - after all there are no instructions to fathom!
--
Ray in Colorado


Re: Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Ray
 

You seem to have a good grasp of where to go with this.  As far as engines you have assessed the Blackstone/Brass scape quite well.
I suggest scratch building SP structures.  It really isn't hard and if you don't worry about exact replicas it goes pretty fast - after all there are no instructions to fathom!
--
Ray in Colorado


Re: Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Mark Kasprowicz
 
Edited

I agree with Scott and Mick, code 55 looks better but I laid Code 70 on the main part of my RR and once painted and ballasted it looks fine. Though if this is a tourist line then something around Code 100 would be more appropriate.
As far as locos are concerned Westside made 1, 8, 9 and 18 steamers. Look for the non tender drive versions (especially if going down the DCC Sound route.)8 and 9 are very similar and 9 can be converted to 8 very easily. NWSL made Diesel No1 .
Cliff Mestel at Trout Creek models in Buena Vista CO makes kits for the SPNG depot at Laws and the Keeler engine house. He also offers some SPNG cars kits. The SPNG inherited a large variety of cars from various NG railroads like the NCNG, NPC, SPC and so on and the result was a collection of freight and passengers cars no two of which seemed exactly the same.
Cliff is also a member of the SPNG Historical Society and there is SPNG.io groups though it isn't that active.

Mark K


Re: Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Scott Baker
 

I agree with Mick that code 55 looks better and I hand lay Micro Engineering code 55 with no operational problems. That being said, considering what you are planning, Code 70 (ME makes that as well) is, and has been, readily available from multiple manufacturers over the years and is therefore easier to find and less expensive because of its prominence in the used market.
Have fun with your project!
Scott


Re: Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Mick Moignard
 

Richard

Peco track is fine, but MicroEngineering make Code 55 flextrack, which IMHO looks better.  A bit of digging will find Code 55 turnouts from other people that need a little work to lay but also work well with care.
No other RTR than Blackstone other than some Con-Cor geese and Microtrains cars, but they're OOP these days.
SP locos are available in brass, and some later ones (Westside Models mainly) are quite decent.  PFM ones less so.  SP rolling stock kits are available.  

Google is, as ever, your friend here.

Mick
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South Park - Short Documentary

Mark Rosche
 

Nice short documentary on South Park:

https://youtu.be/Wuv5qKCvzKw

Regards,

Mark

Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....


Query for rolling stock suppliers ...

Richard Main
 

Hi all,

I am planning a new modern-era HO layout, and am considering making room for a HOn3 tourist / heritage railroad (ie: like Puffing Billy here in Melbourne, Australia, or the Cumbres & Toltec in Colorado and New Mexico).

I have a few queries for the brains trust:
*  I am considering Peco code 70 HOn3 track, is this a good option?
*  I can only find Blackstone Models as a motive power supplier (unless I go brass), are there any other suppliers?
*  I'm not adverse to building kits, but are there models of Southern Pacific narrow gauge? I understand there was a planned / announced brass set of SP rolling sock, but the manufacturer closed down and didn't do the models

My current thinking / wish list is that my layout is proto-freelanced around Sarcamento to Dunsmuir, and the narrow gauge line is an old logging line that was saved by the local train preservation society, with loco's and rolling stock sourced from old salvaged SP and leased equipment. It won't be a logging line, but it will run a work train (leaning towards the Sierra West Models kits, if I can get some), and a few passenger cars (a few trains each way). Would ideally like both steam and early diesel (to run trains on total-fire ban days!).

I have the last few years of the HOn3 Annual (a gold mine of information), but am after some more leads if I can get some.

Any thoughts / comments / suggestions / pointers welcome.

Kind regards to all,

Richard Main
Melbourne, Australia


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

Bill Mugford
 

Hi, Guys!

Does anyone have a Blackstone Chili Line set that you might be willing to part with.

If not that set, any other sets?

My email: wjmugford@...

Gratefully,

Bill

Bill Mugford
Phone

On Mar 23, 2021, at 1:52 PM, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:


just got a failure notice on my attempt to email you.
i'll try again.
Kevin.


On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:21:17 AM CDT, silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111@...> wrote:



Hey Kevin,
I sent an email to thunderangel@... as requested below and it gave me back a mailbox not found error.
Can you shoot me a direct email by chance at the address in my listing?

Paul
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 08:25:40 AM CDT, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:


i will take the MDC kit 473.
contact me off list to arrange payment please.
thunderangel@...


Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

kevin b
 

just got a failure notice on my attempt to email you.
i'll try again.
Kevin.


On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:21:17 AM CDT, silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111@...> wrote:



Hey Kevin,
I sent an email to thunderangel@... as requested below and it gave me back a mailbox not found error.
Can you shoot me a direct email by chance at the address in my listing?

Paul
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 08:25:40 AM CDT, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:


i will take the MDC kit 473.
contact me off list to arrange payment please.
thunderangel@...


Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

kevin b
 

sorry for the confusion, my email address is arcatruck13@....
for whatever reason, i put my i.d. for a stupid on line tank game in there 
oops.


i sent an email to you labeled MDC loco kit.

thanks.
Kevin.


On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:21:17 AM CDT, silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111@...> wrote:



Hey Kevin,
I sent an email to thunderangel@... as requested below and it gave me back a mailbox not found error.
Can you shoot me a direct email by chance at the address in my listing?

Paul
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 08:25:40 AM CDT, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:


i will take the MDC kit 473.
contact me off list to arrange payment please.
thunderangel@...


Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

silent_11111
 


Hey Kevin,
I sent an email to thunderangel@... as requested below and it gave me back a mailbox not found error.
Can you shoot me a direct email by chance at the address in my listing?

Paul

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 08:25:40 AM CDT, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:


i will take the MDC kit 473.
contact me off list to arrange payment please.
thunderangel@...


Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

kevin b
 

i will take the MDC kit 473.
contact me off list to arrange payment please.
thunderangel@...


Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

Climax@...
 

Mike I have a bottle of nickel salts and a nickel bar.  All you need is a 1.5 volt battery and hook up wires and you are nickel plating!  Contact me if you are interested in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: "silent_11111 via groups.io"
Sent: Mar 22, 2021 10:59 PM
To: hon3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights


Mike,
I think they are brass.
Sending you an email pic from my phone to confirm.

Paul

On Monday, March 22, 2021, 09:48:15 PM CDT, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


Does the MDC kit have brass or nickel-plates drivers?  Been looking for the latter. 

Mike Conder 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:19 PM silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul

--
Mike Conder


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

silent_11111
 


Mike,
I think they are brass.
Sending you an email pic from my phone to confirm.

Paul

On Monday, March 22, 2021, 09:48:15 PM CDT, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:


Does the MDC kit have brass or nickel-plates drivers?  Been looking for the latter. 

Mike Conder 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:19 PM silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul

--
Mike Conder


Re: FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

Mike Conder
 

Does the MDC kit have brass or nickel-plates drivers?  Been looking for the latter. 

Mike Conder 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:19 PM silent_11111 via groups.io <silent_11111=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul

--
Mike Conder


FS: Blackstone K-27, E&B RGS 404 Kit, MDC 473 Kit, 3 Packs of Blackstone Straights

silent_11111
 

Hey guys,
I'd like to get myself a 3D printer so need to sell a few items.
I only accept PayPal.
I ship USPS Priority unless otherwise paid for.
Pictures for serious buyers.
Contact me off list at silent_11111@... (yes all the 1s are included)

Blackstone K-27, DRGW 455 with Green Boiler, B310103
-Test checked and put back in the box.
-Asking $400 shipped

E&B RGS 404 Kit
-I believe this is complete, no trucks, no couplers.
-Asking $20 shipped.

MDC 473 Kit with Kemtron Parts
-This was started by a previous owner, looks like they completed up to the running gear.
-I do not have a way to test so sold as is.
-Comes with 10+ little bags and loose Kemtron parts, I will repack for safety.
-Asking $90 shipped. If I'm off on this let me know.

3 Packs of NIB Blackstone Straight Tracks
-Not looking to scalp, just get back what I paid
-$70 shipped.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: AT&SF Depot in Santa Fe, NM HO Scale

Jim Spencer
 

Thank you Ernie. It confirms my suspicion that with brick walls as the primary structure the look of the Gross Kelly building is as fake as most of the rest of Santa Fe. While he was alive, I became a good friend of Richard Dorman FAIA and we discussed the conundrum of the fakery of the Santa Fe Pueblo style and how to deal with it authentically as architects. It was a dance for him. He was a great guy known to most of us as a narrow gauge historian and author. But I knew him as an extremely talented and successful architect.


Re: AT&SF Depot in Santa Fe, NM HO Scale

Ernie Barney
 

Over on my Chili Line group there is quite a bit of discussion about the Gross Kelly building and related info.  https://groups.io/g/TheSantaFeBranchChiliLine/topics
Type Gross Kelly in the search box. I'm also posting a history of the Gross Kelly building and business for those who might be interested. You are always welcome to join us on the Chili Line!


Re: AT&SF Depot in Santa Fe, NM HO Scale

Climax@...
 

Put up a wood frame, some expanded steel cut and nailed in place then throw gunite (sprayed concrete), then trowel it and wala you have an Adobe structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Spencer
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 10:25 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] AT&SF Depot in Santa Fe, NM HO Scale

Did that building actually have Adobe walls? Or was it really a wood frame or concrete block structure with simulated tapered and rusticated Adobe walls? So much of Santa Fe NM architecture isn’t the real thing. I know saying this reading that the Gross Kelly Building is considered a prototype for the Pueblo-look of their two styles of architecture, the other being the Territorial style. I do remember the moniker given the city by the former mayor, Susanna Martinez: “an Adobe theme park”.  Makes me wonder - and laugh!


Re: AT&SF Depot in Santa Fe, NM HO Scale

Jim Spencer
 

Did that building actually have Adobe walls? Or was it really a wood frame or concrete block structure with simulated tapered and rusticated Adobe walls? So much of Santa Fe NM architecture isn’t the real thing. I know saying this reading that the Gross Kelly Building is considered a prototype for the Pueblo-look of their two styles of architecture, the other being the Territorial style. I do remember the moniker given the city by the former mayor, Susanna Martinez: “an Adobe theme park”.  Makes me wonder - and laugh!

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