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Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Joe Schroeder
 

Craig,

Mine was simple....in my teens I enjoyed building wood rolling stock kits since my teens; LaBelle, Ambroid, Northeastern...In 1980, the military moved me fronm Washington, DC to Califorinia, and I got to visit the Colorado Railroad Museum, Durango, and Laws, CA.  Then I found a Tomalco HOn3 idler flat kit (I started small)...then a boxcar....then a gondola....I admired the work written up in NG&SL Gazzette....Love the craftsmanship.

Joe Schroeder


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Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Mick Moignard
 

My start in Hon3 was in the late 1970s. I was still at that point living with my parents in Solihull (part of the Birmingham, UK conurbation).  I'd fiddled with modelling the Highland Railway in LMS days in OO scale, bit has always had a narrow gauge interest,and in the mid-70s drifted into 009, but the main issue with 009 at the time was that it didn't run well, if it ran at all. I was also much more interested in main-line narrow gauge, but most 009 at the time was biased towards industrial railways.  I toyed with Irish 3' gauge in 4mm on 12mm track, which had some commercial support at the time, but didn't really fancy everything made from whitemetal. I had an aversion to whitemetal then which I still have now, especially using it for structural as opposed to detail parts.  My LHS at the time, Bob;s Models in Small Heath, which, because of the interests of some of the staff, sold some US models and kits and a few bits in Hon3.  This was what I'd been looking for, and still is; though to be honest I'm not really sure why even now.  I've never looked back, though there was a foray for a few years onto On30 with an exhibition layout over here in the UK., built and operated with some friends.  Over the years I've worked on and reworked upwards of 100 brass Hon3 locos, most now with DCC sound, most of which are in daily layout use on mine and other layouts, and built, scratch, kits and reworked brass somewhere around 400 items of rolling stock. I've been having fun, and still do.  

Mick
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Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Dale Buxton
 

1). What got you into HOn3?  What appealed to you or what was the driving factor that moved you to HOn3

How I came to HOn3 sort of happened before I was born.
Two branches of my family settled in Silver Plume, CO in the 1870's. The C&S tracks ended up going right through my paternal great grandparents back yard in Silver Plume. One of my distant relatives was a carman on the Argentine Central. A great grandmother on the other side of the family worked at the lunch pavilion at the wye in Silver Plume. Finally, My mothers father was a trainman for the D&SL and later the D&RGW. So my awareness of trains and of the narrow gauge was with me as some of my earliest memories without really knowing what the 3ft. gauge was.

Some of my earliest memories of childhood toys are of trains. My mother's father loved to work on the RR's and I think he did his best to make sure I loved that life too.

When I was in my teens, Mal Ferrell's "Silver San Juan" was published, and I guess that was the final catalyst that set me on the path of HOn3 modeling. When I was very young my dad had an American Flyer S gauge that he let me play with. He said it was mine but we know the real truth about that. But, he discovered that HO scale took up less space for more trains in the same space that the S scale was taking up. So we switched to HO scale. So when I got the HOn3 bug, I was only changing gauges not scales.

2). What is the one thing you really love about HOn3?
HO is a scenery scale and I really like creating life-like scenery. Having 3ft. gauge trains running through big scenery is a way for me to recreate a bygone era that I never really saw but I wish I could have.

3). What is the one thing you watch out for in HOn3?
I would say that has got to be over-weighted rolling stock. Our little engines don't have much pulling power to begin with and too much weight in the cars will greatly detract from their performance.    

Dale Buxton  


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:21 AM Craig Linn <drgw346@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I'm getting ready to do a presentation for my railroad club on "The case for HOn3".  I was going to give my view points, but I thought that it might be cool to get a broader viewpoint from a larger group on what got them into HOn3, and then weave that into my presentation.

So my question for you all:

1). What got you into HOn3?  What appealed to you or what was the driving factor that moved you to HOn3
2). What is the one thing you really love about HOn3?
3). What is the one thing you watch out for in HOn3?

For me I've had a love of narrow gauge since a child, coming on family trips to Colorado and South Dakota's Black Hills as long as I can remember.  The small engines and big mountains really got me hooked.  When Blackstone showed up on scene that pretty much helped push me over the edge for HOn3.

What I really love about HOn3 is the tight nit communities.  I think you might say that about many of the scales, but I do feel like I get a wealth of information from many members of this community.  From Jim Vail to Craig Symington to Mike Conder to.....the list goes on and on....all help with any questions we might have and had been/have been always willing to help each other out.

The one thing to watch out for...be aware of your tolerances.  Whether it be for the tolerances on tunnels or for track work or distances between tracks...make sure you be aware and keep an eye on those tolerances.

Hoping this will generate some discussions and will help out with my presentation.  If you have anything you want to contribute, I'd love to hear your experiences.

Thanks,
Craig Linn 


Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Russ Norris
 

This whole discussion has been a trip down memory lane.  Like many of you I started as a boy with Lionel trains under the Christmas tree.  But ham radio led me in a different direction, and the trains were boxed up and given away when I went to MIT.  (Many years later a cousin found some of them in his attic and returned them, but that is another story.)  After college and seminary and graduate studies in France, I ended up back in the States looking for a call to a church, and ended up as a Lutheran pastor in a small town in south central Pennsylvania called Mount Union, which happened to be the northern terminus of the East Broad Top narrow gauge railroad.  It also happened to be the town where my future wife grew up.  I discovered the EBT at a winter spectacular in the mid-1970s and immediately fell in love with both the railroad and my future wife.  I am still with both of them.

Just down the block from the parsonage, my good friend and colleague, the Presbyterian minister,was a fellow train buff, but he liked collecting Lionel trains which he ran on the floor of a spare bedroom in the manse.  I was bitten for a second time by the model train bug and promptly ran out and bought an HO Blue Comet pacific locomotive, followed by a heavy 0-8-0 switcher.  I didn't have a model railroad, I just liked the looks of them. I began tinkering with "improvements" to my little collection of HO locomotives, including adding a brass Elesco feedwater heater to the 0-8-0 along with a pilot truck to convert it into a massive consolidation.  Eventually I invested in a couple of 4x8 sheets of plywood and built a small layout on sawbucks in the parsonage basement. 

That primitive layout was the first incarnation of what I eventually named the Blacklog Valley Railroad, after a nearby mountain.  Eventually there were 4 more layouts as we moved from one ministry to another,, where I experimented with things like spline benchwork and staging yards.  In 2006, when I retired and we moved to Cape Cod, I started work on a new layout  I liked HO scale, as it allowed me to fit in a lot of railroad in a limited space.  But shortly before retirement, I acquired a brass HOn3 model of EBT #18, the last and largest of the road's 2-8-2s.  The idea occurred to me to build my latest (and possibly last) model railroad in HO and HOn3.  The HO section would continue a 40 year series of layouts based on my fictional Blacklog Valley, and the HOn3 would allow me to build a compressed version of the East Broad Top.  The new layout would include a dual gauge yard like the one in Mount Union, along with other iconic scenes from the narrow gauge of the East.  I loved HOn3 because it was (as a previous writer has said) CUTE!  And it allowed me to continue my historical interest in this little coal hauler in the mountains of Pennsylvania.

Over the last 15 years the railroad has grown to fill a bump out room in the attic that measures 20 x 20 feet.  I have now reproduced a small version of Mount Union, a complete model of the shops at Orbisonia/Rockhill, and the town of Robertsdale at the southern end of the EBT where the coal mines were located.  Now approaching 79 years of age, however, I find that HOn3 -- which I dearly love -- is becoming more difficult because of declining eyesight and fine scale motor skills, especially when it comes to installing Soundtraxx decoders in those tiny Hallmark brass engines.  I have thought about changing to a larger scale -- maybe On30 -- but I have so much time and effort invested in all those structures, engines and cars, that I just don't have the energy to start over again.  One of the advantages of HOn3 is that tiny defects in my modeling skills are hard for me to see, so everything looks perfect from my point of view.  😁

Russ Norris MMR


On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 7:54 PM Robert Bennett <ngbobme@...> wrote:
Good Evening All,

For me, this is an interesting question. While most of my recent modeling activities have been focused on the Maine Two Footers in On30, my first thirty or so years of "serious" model railroading was in HOn3. After starting with a Christmas gift Herkimer set (does anyone remember those?), I experimented in modeling for fifteen years or so, through college, with mostly HO. I scratched some E.L.Moore-based structures and had the typical ping pong table layout in the basement. I joined the Maine National Guard in 1971 and after BCT and OJT at Ft. Dix, I got home by the Spring of '72. A new hobby shop had just opened in Bar Mills, ME, and I went down one weekend. I was poking around when, BAM!, I saw this cute little red caboose sitting in an open box on a shelf. It was a built-up LaBelle D&RGW kit done by a fellow modeler in Brunswick, ME. I snapped it up and was hooked on narrow gauge. I have been in the hobby for sixty years more or less now and narrow gauge modeling is still mostly my thing. My 100 or so magazine articles over the years have focused on a lot of subjects, but the those based on two and three foot gauge models have been the most fun to research and write, and the resulting models have seen the most use on a couple of layouts. As I wrote in the latest HOn3 Annual, I am starting to build an operating Colorado-based module, using leftover HOn3 locos and rolling stock and structures from my previous full layout. Narrow gauge lines were, and are, special with interesting histories, unique histories and fascinating stories and scenery. I have a pretty extensive library and as several have mentioned, Beebe and Clegg's books were and are a great incentive too. I still have that first "buggy" and as my real first incentive to replicate the slim gauges, it will always have a home with me.

Stay well everyone and keep modeling.

Best,  Bob Bennett


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Mike Conder
 

So I gotta add my story.

Grew up modeling airplanes in styrene, kitbashing most of the kits I bought.  My dad was doing HO coal from Ky area but I was never really interested in that.

Got interested in the history of mining, milling and smelting technology when working my first real job as an engineer at an Arizona copper mine.  The engineering library had a bunch of technical books dating back to the early 1900's.  About that time I ran across a Gazette at a hobby shop in Tucson (looking for an airplane model to build) that had Tom Yorke's article on staining plaster.  First hook, another Gazette a year later was a second hook!  Final two hooks were the "Frienda Mine" ( or something like that) on the cover of RMC and the discovery of old company pics dating back to the early 1900's of mines & railroads.  Sold!  But also because the only people in the world also interested in old mines, mills and smelters are narrow gauge guys.

First model was an MDC outside frame 2-8-0 kit that I bought with funds from selling an inherited Pennsy K-4 kit (that I sold for a DEEP discount because I didn't know its value.  Firat car was a scratch passenger car with curved (no bullnose) roof.  Eventually got NMRA Merit Awards on both.  And the fun continues!

And I'm still in HOn3 because the Arizona mining area I model had 8 outside frame locos (about the size of C-21's and two were same design as the C-25) and there was NO WAY I could afford to cut up brass locos in any other scale to build these!

Mike Conder

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 5:54 PM Robert Bennett <ngbobme@...> wrote:
Good Evening All,

For me, this is an interesting question. While most of my recent modeling activities have been focused on the Maine Two Footers in On30, my first thirty or so years of "serious" model railroading was in HOn3. After starting with a Christmas gift Herkimer set (does anyone remember those?), I experimented in modeling for fifteen years or so, through college, with mostly HO. I scratched some E.L.Moore-based structures and had the typical ping pong table layout in the basement. I joined the Maine National Guard in 1971 and after BCT and OJT at Ft. Dix, I got home by the Spring of '72. A new hobby shop had just opened in Bar Mills, ME, and I went down one weekend. I was poking around when, BAM!, I saw this cute little red caboose sitting in an open box on a shelf. It was a built-up LaBelle D&RGW kit done by a fellow modeler in Brunswick, ME. I snapped it up and was hooked on narrow gauge. I have been in the hobby for sixty years more or less now and narrow gauge modeling is still mostly my thing. My 100 or so magazine articles over the years have focused on a lot of subjects, but the those based on two and three foot gauge models have been the most fun to research and write, and the resulting models have seen the most use on a couple of layouts. As I wrote in the latest HOn3 Annual, I am starting to build an operating Colorado-based module, using leftover HOn3 locos and rolling stock and structures from my previous full layout. Narrow gauge lines were, and are, special with interesting histories, unique histories and fascinating stories and scenery. I have a pretty extensive library and as several have mentioned, Beebe and Clegg's books were and are a great incentive too. I still have that first "buggy" and as my real first incentive to replicate the slim gauges, it will always have a home with me.

Stay well everyone and keep modeling.

Best,  Bob Bennett


Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Robert Bennett
 

Good Evening All,

For me, this is an interesting question. While most of my recent modeling activities have been focused on the Maine Two Footers in On30, my first thirty or so years of "serious" model railroading was in HOn3. After starting with a Christmas gift Herkimer set (does anyone remember those?), I experimented in modeling for fifteen years or so, through college, with mostly HO. I scratched some E.L.Moore-based structures and had the typical ping pong table layout in the basement. I joined the Maine National Guard in 1971 and after BCT and OJT at Ft. Dix, I got home by the Spring of '72. A new hobby shop had just opened in Bar Mills, ME, and I went down one weekend. I was poking around when, BAM!, I saw this cute little red caboose sitting in an open box on a shelf. It was a built-up LaBelle D&RGW kit done by a fellow modeler in Brunswick, ME. I snapped it up and was hooked on narrow gauge. I have been in the hobby for sixty years more or less now and narrow gauge modeling is still mostly my thing. My 100 or so magazine articles over the years have focused on a lot of subjects, but the those based on two and three foot gauge models have been the most fun to research and write, and the resulting models have seen the most use on a couple of layouts. As I wrote in the latest HOn3 Annual, I am starting to build an operating Colorado-based module, using leftover HOn3 locos and rolling stock and structures from my previous full layout. Narrow gauge lines were, and are, special with interesting histories, unique histories and fascinating stories and scenery. I have a pretty extensive library and as several have mentioned, Beebe and Clegg's books were and are a great incentive too. I still have that first "buggy" and as my real first incentive to replicate the slim gauges, it will always have a home with me.

Stay well everyone and keep modeling.

Best,  Bob Bennett


Re: White Pass & Yukon decals

Robert Bell
 

Dave,
CDS was a Canadian based company.  CDS closed up shop and retired maybe 15 -20 years ago I think.  It was my understanding that Ozark Miniatures had bought the artwork and rights, but I could be wrong.  I always wished that the artwork for the dry transfers could have been turned into decals.

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC




On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:56:59 AM EST, Climax@... <climax@...> wrote:


In reference to dry transfers, I had heard someplace that the chemicals that are used in them are now on the endangered list, hazardous, or what ever, which has basically stopped production by those who made them.  If they were made in California I can say that for sure as they ban everything from Ketchup to Mustard if someone doesn't like it.
It would stand to reason that items like that could be made where humanity and politicians are not stacked up on top of each other and get yet get the job done with very little harm done to the environment.  I guess I am just an old fuddy-duddy and have more or less ignored those repressive limitations over the last 73 years and am still on my own two feet.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Veefkind via groups.io"
Sent: Jan 17, 2021 9:29 AM
To: hon3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] White Pass & Yukon decals

Thanks Rob   the cds decals dried up and (to me ) are useless. I emailed Republic and no answer yet. Have you ever seen the PFM model of # 70 ?  Thanks esp.John and others for the help   Bob V.
 
In a message dated 1/17/2021 4:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ionhoss@... writes:
 
Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.
 
Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.
 
Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC
 
 
 
On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob
 
CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.
 
Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.
 
A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.
 
Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.
 
San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.
 
Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.
 
John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:
 
 

Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: Rio Grande Models trucks

Scott Baker
 

Hello All,
First time post(er) here! I have had success with RGM trucks using CA. I usually clean the castings well with soapy water first. Also, (and this works for Precision Scale Co. trucks as well), I put the wheel sets in and while the CA (or solder) sets, I hold the truck right side up with wheelsets on flat surface or test track. This seems to help them sit on the rails equalized better after drying for smooth operation. Of course ,you can bend them and tweak them later, but I have found this can be problematic at times. Also, keep an eye on the sideframes as the glue/solder cures and make sure they are plumb, it is easy to attach them at an angle.
Hope this helps,
Scott Baker


Re: White Pass & Yukon decals

Robert Bell
 

What is your question about the RLW decals?  I have some in front of me...sort of.

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC




On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 03:47:40 PM EST, Robert Bell via groups.io <ionhoss@...> wrote:


Bob,
Have I seen one of the PFM 70 class locos?  Haha...I own 4 of them.  Still need a SN 34, painted "USA" of course...hint hint.  Emoji

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC




On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:25 AM EST, Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:


Thanks Rob   the cds decals dried up and (to me ) are useless. I emailed Republic and no answer yet. Have you ever seen the PFM model of # 70 ?  Thanks esp.John and others for the help   Bob V.
 
In a message dated 1/17/2021 4:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ionhoss@... writes:
 
Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.
 
Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.
 
Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC
 
 
 
On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob
 
CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.
 
Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.
 
A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.
 
Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.
 
San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.
 
Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.
 
John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:
 
 

Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: White Pass & Yukon decals

Robert Bell
 

Bob,
Have I seen one of the PFM 70 class locos?  Haha...I own 4 of them.  Still need a SN 34, painted "USA" of course...hint hint.  Emoji

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC




On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:25 AM EST, Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:


Thanks Rob   the cds decals dried up and (to me ) are useless. I emailed Republic and no answer yet. Have you ever seen the PFM model of # 70 ?  Thanks esp.John and others for the help   Bob V.
 
In a message dated 1/17/2021 4:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ionhoss@... writes:
 
Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.
 
Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.
 
Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC
 
 
 
On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob
 
CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.
 
Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.
 
A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.
 
Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.
 
San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.
 
Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.
 
John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:
 
 

Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Jim Overman
 

We had a summer home in Santa Fe and one day made a day trip to Chama.  That was it, the rail yard was the inspiration.  Then I met the folks from Blackstone as I was wandering aroung the yard.  They were taking pictures of the cars so their models were accurate. After riding the C&TSRR experiencing the ride like it was back then and the spectacular scenery I was hooked.  Since that first ride about 17 years ago, we've now ridden the C&TSRR 9 times and the Durango-Silverton train 5 times.  It's always a great experience and I am now modeling it.


Re: A Helix tale, Part 1 The Construction

Jim Marlett
 

I feel fortunate that my furnace and water heater are outside of my train room, but I have a water line that runs to the outside spigot that is a little worrisome. I finally decided if it fails, I’ll move the spigot if I can’t repair it in place.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Don Bergman <DBRenegade@...> wrote:

Jim,

I read your note and chuckled:  " Hope your furnace doesn’t have to be replaced!"  

Yes, that was another aspect of the project making sure the front sections come out and the joints in the tracks match.    I inspected homes for buyers and am aware of that need.  Most of the time I just told the buyer the age and informed them when they should expect to replace, but added, it can fail at any time.  They typically last 20-25 years.  I condemned a few and told the current owner turn it off and repair or replace before you turn it back on.  MY CO detector probably saved a few lives.  The youngest furnace I condemned was 7 years old.  Something was dripping water slowly on the heat exchanger, likely a manufacturing defect.  I saw a small rust spot , touched it and  a hole opened.    The unit was probably never serviced.  Or the tech did not look close enough to catch it.    One DIY gent put a stud wall in front of the furnace, and it was impossible to service or change the filter, and he was upset with me for calling the defect!

I did replace the 17 year old Hot  heater before doing the scenery on the staging level even though it was working just fine.   They typically go 8-12 years so it was due. 

Don



Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Ric Case
 

Craig when I first started back in the early 70s , I was planning a eastern logging and coal mine using western second hand equipment bought and shipped east as the railroad was able to find equipment for sale out West. 
Then Bobby Hall brought out the EBT locomotive s. 
I started researching the EBT, 
I was hooked! 30 years and still working on my railroad! 
This railroad is a build everything from scratch, there are no locomotives available for the new comers like the western railroad’s. 
If you’re lucky EBay can provide you a loco every once in a while. 
I purchased 18 Blackstone locos to use, not prototype but it’s my railroad. 
Have fun is the best thing I can suggest to anyone who is interested in building a railroad of any 
Prototype. Just be careful when you decide on how much railroad you have room for, I choose to fill up an 1750 ft basement. Been working on it for 28 yrs. and will probably never finish it completely. 
It’s a labor of love and I will have many more years hopefully to try to finish it . Lots of structures still to build! 
Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Craig Linn <drgw346@...> wrote:

Thanks Chris for the file.  And thanks to everyone who has answered so far.  I think this will really help my presentation go a bit further (and to some area’s that I didn’t think of…so thank you.)

Keep em coming!

Craig



On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:22 PM, claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:

Lo rez should you wish to consult it Craig.





Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual
chrislaneon30@...



On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:24 PM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Hi, Craig,

   You might want to get a copy of the 2009 HOIn3 Annual.  I wrote the lead article.  It was about why HOn3 was perhaps the best scale/gauge combination for modeling narrow gauge railroads. As has been pointed out by several respondents so far, a question about why HOn3 was chosen often includes, or involves, why narrow gauge is chosen.  While closely related they are two slightly different topics.  In addition to the article above, I also gave clinics about every year at Caboose Hobbies, when I worked there, on the topic of Narrow Gauge and why it was such a good choice to model in.

   To directly answer your questions: What got me into HOn3 was the fact I love history.  So, my first HO modeling was of period railroads - wooden cars with truss rods and turnbuckles, false front buildings, fluted domes, diamond stacks, short trains, steep grades, small towns and the like.While in college I had heard about narrow gauge and decided to check it out a bit more.  i bought a LaBell combine and built it.  I instantly liked the looks and proportion of the model.  My girl friend, now my wife - a girl from Denver, gave me a copy of Narrow Gauge in the Rockies (also mentioned by another responder).  I read through it and was fascinated by the history - the Elephant Corral in Denver, the story of the elephants helping a stranded circus train over the mountains, the Face on the Barroom Floor and so much more.  That got me into narrow gauge.  It fit what I was already interested in - period railroading.  And since I was already doing HO modeling, it was natural to check out HOn3.  As I looked at HOn3 and the other narrow gauges I slowly began to realize there was more of everything in HO scale.  That pretty much sealed the deal on HOn3.

   I think the most important of the many things I love about HOn3 is the size.  As I say in the article it is small enough to get lots of railroad in a give space, yet large enough to be very highly detailed and operate very well.  Model railroaders of all stripes have to deal with limited space.  This usually causes steep grades and sharp radius curves.  HO narrow gauge uses those necessities to advantage.  We use sharp radius curves and steep grades to replicate the Georgetown Loop, the climb to Alpine Tunnel, the climb up Windy Point, the curve around Chattanooga Loop, the yard in Red Mountain, or at Como, the trackage between the mines in Leadville and so on.  We use that imposed space and size restriction to our advantage in modeling the prototype locations we choose.  We can probably get  two sites into our railroads where the space limitations would limit larger scales to just one.

   Maybe a couple of things to watch out for in HOn3.  One is the equipment.  Be careful of used equipment  Used equipment has often been modified in some way and may not perform as you would expect.  It may have been used a lot and have some operational problems.  As mentioned earlier by you, clearances are a critical factor here.  A narrow gauge K-37 has the clearance requirement of a standard gauge HO 2-8-0, because they were built from such engines.  So, the clearances on the layout need to be larger if you are running that class of locos.  Also snow plows and some maintenance equipment will require larger clearances.

   Secondly, would be to realize modeling narrow gauge is often going to require building things.  A friend moved to HOn3 from N scale, because as he was getting older he was finding it hard to see things and switching to a larger scale helped with that.  He chose HO narrow gauge because it was closer to his usual N scale. But, after he was well into building a layout he began to realize the need to build rolling stock kits, structure kits, detail items and so on.  He was used to just taking the structure out of the box and placing it on the layout.  Same with the cars.  He was not used to having to build things.  As a matter of fact he said he had never really built any kind of model, prior to his entry into HOn3.  So, realize narrow gauge modeling will require building things.  There are a lot of r-t-r rolling stock models out there now, as well as some structure models.  And they are a great help in getting a layout up and running with equipment and some structures. But, stamp mills, specific depots, mills, and other railroad specific structures will take either building a kit, scratch building, or kit bashing. Same for cars.  You can't find a r-t-r model of a DSP&P Charcoal car, a Tiffany reefer, or a 4000 series box car, let alone an HOn3 Pullman Palace Sleeper!

   Others have pointed out many of the other advantages of modeling in HOn3, but these are my answers to your questions. Hope they are of some help!

   Duncan Harvey














<Harvey PG 8-10.pdf>


Re: White Pass & Yukon decals

Climax@...
 

In reference to dry transfers, I had heard someplace that the chemicals that are used in them are now on the endangered list, hazardous, or what ever, which has basically stopped production by those who made them.  If they were made in California I can say that for sure as they ban everything from Ketchup to Mustard if someone doesn't like it.
It would stand to reason that items like that could be made where humanity and politicians are not stacked up on top of each other and get yet get the job done with very little harm done to the environment.  I guess I am just an old fuddy-duddy and have more or less ignored those repressive limitations over the last 73 years and am still on my own two feet.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Veefkind via groups.io"
Sent: Jan 17, 2021 9:29 AM
To: hon3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] White Pass & Yukon decals

Thanks Rob   the cds decals dried up and (to me ) are useless. I emailed Republic and no answer yet. Have you ever seen the PFM model of # 70 ?  Thanks esp.John and others for the help   Bob V.
 
In a message dated 1/17/2021 4:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ionhoss@... writes:
 
Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.
 
Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.
 
Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC
 
 
 
On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob
 
CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.
 
Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.
 
A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.
 
Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.
 
San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.
 
Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.
 
John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:
 
 

Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: What got you in to HOn3?

Craig Linn
 

Thanks Chris for the file.  And thanks to everyone who has answered so far.  I think this will really help my presentation go a bit further (and to some area’s that I didn’t think of…so thank you.)

Keep em coming!

Craig



On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:22 PM, claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:

Lo rez should you wish to consult it Craig.





Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual
chrislaneon30@...



On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:24 PM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Hi, Craig,

   You might want to get a copy of the 2009 HOIn3 Annual.  I wrote the lead article.  It was about why HOn3 was perhaps the best scale/gauge combination for modeling narrow gauge railroads. As has been pointed out by several respondents so far, a question about why HOn3 was chosen often includes, or involves, why narrow gauge is chosen.  While closely related they are two slightly different topics.  In addition to the article above, I also gave clinics about every year at Caboose Hobbies, when I worked there, on the topic of Narrow Gauge and why it was such a good choice to model in.

   To directly answer your questions: What got me into HOn3 was the fact I love history.  So, my first HO modeling was of period railroads - wooden cars with truss rods and turnbuckles, false front buildings, fluted domes, diamond stacks, short trains, steep grades, small towns and the like.While in college I had heard about narrow gauge and decided to check it out a bit more.  i bought a LaBell combine and built it.  I instantly liked the looks and proportion of the model.  My girl friend, now my wife - a girl from Denver, gave me a copy of Narrow Gauge in the Rockies (also mentioned by another responder).  I read through it and was fascinated by the history - the Elephant Corral in Denver, the story of the elephants helping a stranded circus train over the mountains, the Face on the Barroom Floor and so much more.  That got me into narrow gauge.  It fit what I was already interested in - period railroading.  And since I was already doing HO modeling, it was natural to check out HOn3.  As I looked at HOn3 and the other narrow gauges I slowly began to realize there was more of everything in HO scale.  That pretty much sealed the deal on HOn3.

   I think the most important of the many things I love about HOn3 is the size.  As I say in the article it is small enough to get lots of railroad in a give space, yet large enough to be very highly detailed and operate very well.  Model railroaders of all stripes have to deal with limited space.  This usually causes steep grades and sharp radius curves.  HO narrow gauge uses those necessities to advantage.  We use sharp radius curves and steep grades to replicate the Georgetown Loop, the climb to Alpine Tunnel, the climb up Windy Point, the curve around Chattanooga Loop, the yard in Red Mountain, or at Como, the trackage between the mines in Leadville and so on.  We use that imposed space and size restriction to our advantage in modeling the prototype locations we choose.  We can probably get  two sites into our railroads where the space limitations would limit larger scales to just one.

   Maybe a couple of things to watch out for in HOn3.  One is the equipment.  Be careful of used equipment  Used equipment has often been modified in some way and may not perform as you would expect.  It may have been used a lot and have some operational problems.  As mentioned earlier by you, clearances are a critical factor here.  A narrow gauge K-37 has the clearance requirement of a standard gauge HO 2-8-0, because they were built from such engines.  So, the clearances on the layout need to be larger if you are running that class of locos.  Also snow plows and some maintenance equipment will require larger clearances.

   Secondly, would be to realize modeling narrow gauge is often going to require building things.  A friend moved to HOn3 from N scale, because as he was getting older he was finding it hard to see things and switching to a larger scale helped with that.  He chose HO narrow gauge because it was closer to his usual N scale. But, after he was well into building a layout he began to realize the need to build rolling stock kits, structure kits, detail items and so on.  He was used to just taking the structure out of the box and placing it on the layout.  Same with the cars.  He was not used to having to build things.  As a matter of fact he said he had never really built any kind of model, prior to his entry into HOn3.  So, realize narrow gauge modeling will require building things.  There are a lot of r-t-r rolling stock models out there now, as well as some structure models.  And they are a great help in getting a layout up and running with equipment and some structures. But, stamp mills, specific depots, mills, and other railroad specific structures will take either building a kit, scratch building, or kit bashing. Same for cars.  You can't find a r-t-r model of a DSP&P Charcoal car, a Tiffany reefer, or a 4000 series box car, let alone an HOn3 Pullman Palace Sleeper!

   Others have pointed out many of the other advantages of modeling in HOn3, but these are my answers to your questions. Hope they are of some help!

   Duncan Harvey














<Harvey PG 8-10.pdf>


Re: Rio Grande Models trucks

Brian Kopp
 

Jesse,
here is my truck building jig that works for Rio Grande HOn3 trucks. The truck is built upside down with the bolster sitting along the plastic stock. I glue one sideframe to the bolster first using medium ACC. Place the glued assembly (bolster and one sideframe) in the jig with the second sideframe. You can then pivot the sideframes to work the wheelsets in before gluing the second sideframe.

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


White Pass & Yukon decals

Robert Veefkind
 

Thanks Rob   the cds decals dried up and (to me ) are useless. I emailed Republic and no answer yet. Have you ever seen the PFM model of # 70 ?  Thanks esp.John and others for the help   Bob V.
 

In a message dated 1/17/2021 4:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ionhoss@... writes:
 
Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.
 
Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.
 
Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC
 
 
 
On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:
 
 
Bob
 
CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.
 
Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.
 
A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.
 
Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.
 
San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.
 
Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.
 
John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:
 
 

Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: White Pass & Yukon decals

Robert Bell
 

Ozark Miniatures had the CDS line listed up until about a year or so ago, and the link is still there on their website.  I had ordered several sets from them just a couple of years ago, although they did not keep the line of dry transfers running.  I had assumed that they bought the line of dry transfers.  I attempted to make contact via email about a year ago and never got a response.

Republic Locomotive Works has WP&YR decals - only in white - and they ship fast.

Rob Bell
Modeling the White Pass & Yukon Route in HOn3
Waynesville, NC




On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM EST, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


Bob

CDS Dry Transfers and Robert Sloan Decals were the primary sources of WP&Y lettering.  Both are now long gone, but they occasionally turn up on EBay.

Republic Locomotive Works is the only source I know of that currently offers White Pass decals < ">https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com>.  Republic is basically an N scale narrow gauge supplier, but their decals are available in N, HO, S & O.  This is possibly the widest range of narrow gauge lines currently available, although otherwise often fairly generic.  I believe that these are the Bob Sloan artwork.  See pages 10 & 11 of their listing for White Pass freight, slogans and heralds.

A quick scan also finds WestSide, EBT, D&RG, DSP&P, CCR, UPD&G, SR&RL, ET&WNC, OR&W/PRR, generic passenger, Pacific Coast, D&RGW, Mears roads, NCNG, NC&O, Uintah, logging roads, Sumpter Valley, SPNG, Nevada & California, Carson & Colorado, WP&Y, SPC, NPC, North Shore, Gramps tank, Conoco tanck, RGS Goose, D&RGW San Juan train.  Note that their web listing is a bit flaky: you cannot simply go back, but must use their previous, next, or page number links.

Labelle also offers freight car decals covering their surprisingly wide range of narrow gauge kits.

San Juan Models is mostly Colorado prototype, but also offers a few out of state lines.

Not a direct source, but Bill Mosteller of Great Model Railroad Decals < " data-mce-href="https://www.greatdecals.com/>">https://www.greatdecals.com/> has tried to compile a list of all suppliers <https://www.greatdecals.com/Decals.html>.

John Stutz
On January 16, 2021 9:02 AM Robert Veefkind via groups.io <snookdust@...> wrote:



Are they available for hon3 ? Microscale and Thinfilm do not list them.   Bob veefkind


Re: Rio Grande Models trucks

John Stutz
 

Jesse

There are high impact grades of ACC.  These are typically of medium viscosity and moderate setting time.  Check out the local model aircraft supply source - they need the high impact strength in landing gear & etc.  As do the drone flying folk.

If you have the NG&SLG disc, check out Boone Morrison's articles.  I believe that he did one on assembling these trucks.  Jim Vail may also have written on this subject.

John Stutz

On January 16, 2021 7:15 PM Jesse Day <jesseadayii@...> wrote:


Greetings all. I am hoping that someone around here might be able to offer up a little advice regarding the assembly of RGM white metal tricks. I was fortunate enough to be able to purchase a couple dozen pairs of trucks just before Eric closed up shop. The problem I have is that although I have assembled several white metal vehicle kits, I have absolutely no experience in the assembly of white metal trucks. It seems to me that CA works fine for static models I am afraid it wouldn't hold up to the rigors of constant flexing and movement required for operational truck sets on my layout. Anyone have suggestions or comments regarding the durability and assembly? I would greatly appreciate any help I can get.

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