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Re: Difficult Spikes

Jim Marlett
 

I’m 75 years old and my wife thinks I’m crazy for hand laying this layout. She may be right, but I enjoy it, at least when it works. I think Micro Engineering flex track probably looks better and is easier to lay. Maybe I’ll give in before this is all over. I think if I were to start over, I would use code 55 flex with hand laid switches, but I already have too much code 70. I thought about mixing them, but code 55 makes my code 70 look even bigger. I’ll just stick with the big stuff and hope not too many people notice,

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/

On Jan 11, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Climax@mindspring.com <Climax@Mindspring.com> wrote:

When I use to lay my own C70 rail and make my own switches etc I spiked every 7th tie. I first drilled .012 holes on either side of the rail, then pushed in the c70 spikes. I lost a lot that went to never never land and were never found, but for the most part it all worked out just fine. Now days, and at 74, my eye sight is not as good as it once was, probably to many hits the eye with flying spikes, sp I use Shinohara Flex track and switches. I still do make special things like gauge separation and special use switches though. I just figure that today I got better things to do than mumble under my breath after another spike disappears.

Dave


Sad News - Mike Schwab has passed on

drgw169
 

Hello All,

This message is little tardy.

Mike Schwab left us on Friday morning from a heart attack.   Though most of his modeling for the past decade or more was in Sn3, he had converted from HOn3 after building several layouts.  Mike also was active in O scale building structures and dioramas.   His conversion from HOn3 to Sn3 darn near broke Jim Vail's heart as that left Jim the only HOn3 guy in the local narrow gauge group.

What follows was also posted to the Sn3 group and the On3 group.   He is already missed in our local group.

Mike was a prolific builder with absolutely no fear of having to tear something out and do it again.   He loved scenery and structures, and anyone who saw any of his various HOn3 layouts or his several different versions of the Sn3 San Lorenzo Southern would certainly attest to his excellence at both.   His rolling stock was darn nice too.   Mike did draw the line at engine work though, leaving those modifications and DCC installations/upgrades to others (unless it was a PBL Foreground model which did not need any work).  

 

Mike did not limit his building to only one scale, and in the structures and diorama area built beautiful models and scenes in O scale along with On3 and On3 dioramas and was collecting items to work on a little HO standard gauge scene.   I also think Mike had collected some N scale as well with some thought of seeing what it was like to build in that scale.

 

As Mike's layout room was about two thirds of a two car garage (the other third being laundry, household storage and similar) he was a master at figuring out new ways to store what he was building if there was no spot on the layout for it.   The valence above the layout held a lot of structures, such as all the O Scale D&RGW and RGS Depots he could not resist.   Dioramas were built on wheeled tables that could be stored under the layout bench work.   Other completed models were stored in tall cabinets on wheels which were built like furniture.   These cabinets were both in the 1/3 space of the garage and in the house. At some point Mike gained the space rights to hang a boxed in double ended staging yard on the partition wall in the family garage space that served as the end points of his railroad. Mike was an unstoppable builder!

 

A little over a year ago Mike decided he needed to tear out and rethink part of his layout to better accommodate some of his physical impairments, provide a little more switching in operation sessions and accommodate some more structures he really wanted to use, and make his modeling work benches and supply storage much more user friendly.  Mike works fast, and in short order had the structural and track changes in place so he could have a few of us over for a "test op session"   This happened just before the COVID 19 stay at home orders were issued in the SF Bay Area Counties. That test session showed this new version of the San Lorenzo Southern would be fun to operate, and get even better as Mike put in his gorgeous scenery and well composed scenes.  In the following months, email exchanges were used to develop the train schedule, employee time table, train line ups and  other paper to support TT&TO operations.   Most recently, Mike took and break from structure building to get the layout tuned up for operating session with plan of getting back into the rotation once the Vaccine has deployed and the medical experts announced it was safe to meet again.   Mike's love of operations I suspect stems from him being one of Jim Vail's early model railroad buddies, even adopting and using Jim's unique car card system for  decades before a more recent conversion to the more common car card and waybill system.

 

I am pretty much a lurker on the narrow gauge ioGroups, but was always struck by the number of times Mike would post just to congratulate or thank  someone on a model they posted a picture of to the group.   That's just who Mike is.   His sense of humor, infectious laugh, willingness to pitch in and help out, his encouragement to keep building, and his always up beat personality will be missed by many of us.   A true Gentleman.   There is so much more to say.

 

Thanks for your kind thoughts of Mike and his family.

 

Dave Adams

 

D&RGW Durlin Branch in On3


Re: Difficult Spikes

Climax@...
 

When I use to lay my own C70 rail and make my own switches etc I spiked every 7th tie. I first drilled .012 holes on either side of the rail, then pushed in the c70 spikes. I lost a lot that went to never never land and were never found, but for the most part it all worked out just fine. Now days, and at 74, my eye sight is not as good as it once was, probably to many hits the eye with flying spikes, sp I use Shinohara Flex track and switches. I still do make special things like gauge separation and special use switches though. I just figure that today I got better things to do than mumble under my breath after another spike disappears.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Marlett <jmarlett@cox.net>
Sent: Jan 11, 2021 7:06 PM
To: HOn3 Group <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Difficult Spikes

They must sell those “small” spikes to O scale folks using code 100 and larger rail. Sure took a lot of effort to make them work for code 70 rail.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:57 PM, jczul36 via groups.io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I use to use micro engineering, but stopped using their spikes when I laid code 55. I began using proto 87 long spikes and loved them. They are sharp and the heads are really small. I even used them the on Code 40 spur. The spike heads are small enough that my flanges do not touch the spike heads. Couldn’t achieve this with Micro engineering spikes.
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Re: Difficult Spikes

Jim Marlett
 

They must sell those “small” spikes to O scale folks using code 100 and larger rail. Sure took a lot of effort to make them work for code 70 rail.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/

On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:57 PM, jczul36 via groups.io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I use to use micro engineering, but stopped using their spikes when I laid code 55. I began using proto 87 long spikes and loved them. They are sharp and the heads are really small. I even used them the on Code 40 spur. The spike heads are small enough that my flanges do not touch the spike heads. Couldn’t achieve this with Micro engineering spikes.
jc
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Re: Test my track

RG Teeter
 

I hope the guy on the front end has a radio !!!

Florida Bob, was Texas Bob

On 11 Jan 2021, at 14:45, Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:

Here's how I test my track work to make sure there are no flaws.

https://youtu.be/IFe0V4rj9gw

So far so good.


Re: Difficult Spikes _ Thank You, Steve Hatch

Steve Hatch
 

   Your sure welcome Jim.
It's great that it works for you.
-Steve


Test my track

Steve Hatch
 

Here's how I test my track work to make sure there are no flaws.

https://youtu.be/IFe0V4rj9gw

So far so good.


Re: Difficult Spikes

jczul36
 

I use to use micro engineering, but stopped using their spikes when I laid code 55.  I began using proto 87 long spikes and loved them.  They are sharp and the heads are really small.  I even used them the on Code 40 spur.  The spike heads are small enough that my flanges do not touch the spike heads.  Couldn’t achieve this with Micro engineering spikes.
jc  

On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Jim Spencer <trainmanjs@...> wrote:

It sound to me like Micro Engineering could solve this by cutting the staples apart on an angle instead of 90 degrees.

Having said that, I’ve learned how to drive them using needle nose pliers with serrated points while gripping the spike and head about 2/3rds from the tip. They are far less likely to bend.


Re: Difficult Spikes

Jim Spencer
 

It sound to me like Micro Engineering could solve this by cutting the staples apart on an angle instead of 90 degrees.

Having said that, I’ve learned how to drive them using needle nose pliers with serrated points while gripping the spike and head about 2/3rds from the tip. They are far less likely to bend.


Re: Difficult Spikes _ Thank You, Steve Hatch

Jim Marlett
 

I tried it and it worked! I’m a micros spike guy now.

I still bend more than with small spikes, but the success rate is way up. I’d suggest that anyone with a bunch of micro spikes sitting around give it a try. I weighted my Dremel tool down with a section of light rail from a full sized railroad and instead of a cut off wheel used a thicker wheel, but it all worked.

Thanks, Steve!

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:13 AM, Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:

  The micro spikes will shove in really nice if you sharpen them.
I have a small dremel with a cut off disc sitting right beside me as I spike.
I touch the very end of the spike against the wheel for just a second
on an angle to put a chisel shape to the end.
  I do this with each and every one as I pick up the spike in the plier and touch
it diagonally to the disc to form the chisel and then insert it in the roadbed as normal.
Some reason the micro spikes are blunt on the end and do not insert well without
that slight taper at the end.  It's a minor move after you get used to it.
  They spike really well then and I can get the rail and spike nice and tight.
Try it and let me know if it works for you.
My railroad here is 20 by 46 feet and it's all laid in 55 and spiked that way.
 It didn't take all that long once I got used to the extra move.  (grind wheel)
Sure hope that helps
-Steve Hatch


Re: Difficult Spikes

Climax@...
 

Sharpening spikes with a dremel?  I I'll need a remote pilot license to fly all those spikes around the room!
DAve

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Jan 11, 2021 1:13 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Difficult Spikes

  The micro spikes will shove in really nice if you sharpen them.
I have a small dremel with a cut off disc sitting right beside me as I spike.
I touch the very end of the spike against the wheel for just a second
on an angle to put a chisel shape to the end.
  I do this with each and every one as I pick up the spike in the plier and touch
it diagonally to the disc to form the chisel and then insert it in the roadbed as normal.
Some reason the micro spikes are blunt on the end and do not insert well without
that slight taper at the end.  It's a minor move after you get used to it.
  They spike really well then and I can get the rail and spike nice and tight.
Try it and let me know if it works for you.
My railroad here is 20 by 46 feet and it's all laid in 55 and spiked that way.
 It didn't take all that long once I got used to the extra move.  (grind wheel)
Sure hope that helps
-Steve Hatch


Spiking the world

Steve Hatch
 

These videos will give a good indication of how much hand spiking I did on this new RR.
Even the code 70 has the little Micro spikes all chisel pointed.  I really encourage you
to try it  This railroad was started in July 2016.  So it's been just four years so far.

Click this link
All the videos of my hand spiked RR

Steve


Re: STOP STOP

Steve Hatch
 

 yeah you guys need to come over friday and run trains and swig away.
The locals will be here and we'll have a time.
-Where's barkeep?


Re: Difficult Spikes

Steve Hatch
 

  The micro spikes will shove in really nice if you sharpen them.
I have a small dremel with a cut off disc sitting right beside me as I spike.
I touch the very end of the spike against the wheel for just a second
on an angle to put a chisel shape to the end.
  I do this with each and every one as I pick up the spike in the plier and touch
it diagonally to the disc to form the chisel and then insert it in the roadbed as normal.
Some reason the micro spikes are blunt on the end and do not insert well without
that slight taper at the end.  It's a minor move after you get used to it.
  They spike really well then and I can get the rail and spike nice and tight.
Try it and let me know if it works for you.
My railroad here is 20 by 46 feet and it's all laid in 55 and spiked that way.
 It didn't take all that long once I got used to the extra move.  (grind wheel)
Sure hope that helps
-Steve Hatch


Re: STOP STOP

Climax@...
 

The heck with your hat & glass, raise that toll gate and let the fun begin!  We are all as dry as the Preacher after a long cattle drive.  Sent um up and shake a leg!
Mule

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Jan 10, 2021 9:18 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] STOP STOP

  I raise my Durango beer to you all.
  Not a nicer bunch of friendly varmints anywhere else in this galaxy.
exactly 3 hrs and 12 minutes and all the donations raised the money for the tariff.
 I take off me hat and raise me glass to you all.
Steve Hatch
Trackman


Re: STOP STOP

Steve Hatch
 

  I raise my Durango beer to you all.
  Not a nicer bunch of friendly varmints anywhere else in this galaxy.
exactly 3 hrs and 12 minutes and all the donations raised the money for the tariff.
 I take off me hat and raise me glass to you all.
Steve Hatch
Trackman


Re: STOP STOP

Russ Norris
 

Tell Steve to get that cash to the bank before Outlaw shows up for the party!

Butch

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:11 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
Hurray, Party at Steve's house, Hes providing the DW's. Madam Lash is providing the dancing girls, Scoop will be reporting on the events for those who can't be there, Mayor will be campaigning and we shall have a rowdy good ol'time!  Good time to toast those who passed on down the tracks, like Barkeep!
Mule


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Jan 10, 2021 5:41 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] STOP STOP

Stop
  That's plenty of money we have the $220 for the groups yearly fee.
Don't send anymore and THANK YOU everyone
Steve Hatch


--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: STOP STOP

Climax@...
 

Hurray, Party at Steve's house, Hes providing the DW's. Madam Lash is providing the dancing girls, Scoop will be reporting on the events for those who can't be there, Mayor will be campaigning and we shall have a rowdy good ol'time!  Good time to toast those who passed on down the tracks, like Barkeep!
Mule


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Jan 10, 2021 5:41 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] STOP STOP

Stop
  That's plenty of money we have the $220 for the groups yearly fee.
Don't send anymore and THANK YOU everyone
Steve Hatch


Re: Upgrade to Premium

Art D3
 

Donation made.
--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


STOP STOP

Steve Hatch
 

Stop
  That's plenty of money we have the $220 for the groups yearly fee.
Don't send anymore and THANK YOU everyone
Steve Hatch

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