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Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Earl Knoob
 

It should be pointed out that the D&RGW and other Colorado narrow gauge roads used full sized MCB couplers.  The coupler uses the same profile as any standard gauge coupler.  This profile is the same today as it was in 1900.

There were various manufacturers of couplers the built couplers of different "mass", but they all had the same knuckle profile.  the biggest coupler in mass is the "AAR" coupler.  You find this mostly on converted standard gauge cars like the 6500 class flats and 9600 class pipe-gons.  The smallest being the "passenger Janney" that was used on all the passenger equipment.  

Still... they all couple together.  Next time you are in Durango find an open gon (former 9600 pipe gon with AAR couplers) coupled to a San Juan vestibuled car (with a Passenger Janney coupler).  It looks like an HO standard gauge Kadee coupled to an N scale coupler.

I recall both AAR and Sharons on K-36's, both front and back.

Someone should measure up all the available HO couplers on the market and compare them to the prototype dimensions.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of John Niemeyer <reverend455@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:55 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io Group Moderators <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS
 
I've been using Sergent Sharons for years. While doing research for the 2014 HOn3 Annual article. I found very few narrow gauge equipment that used standard gauge couplers. They were K-36, K-37, class 23 - 41 foot flats and some MOW. Most everything else was either Sharon or Miller that is the same size as a Sharon.

The Sergent doesn't have any couper "bob" and I was able to get a fit in everything that I own. Not possible with Kadee. However Sergents aren't for everybody, but then, neither are Kadees. They both have their plus and minus.
John Niemeyer

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
I would really like to get rid of the Kadee bounce. Admittedly, I am not a rivet counter and am much more into smooth operation. My feeling is that Kadee/Microscale N scale couplers are still the same design as the Kadee #714. I would gladly stick with 714s if it weren’t for the bounce, and so far I have. But I really hate that bounce. I guess I should just buy a few of the various other kinds and see what I like.

On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:

KaDee HOn3 couplers look way out of proportion on HOn3 rolling stock.  I use Kadee N scale couplers, which are now made by Micro Trains Line (1025).  They look more realistic than the HOn3 couplers and will grip any rolling stock that has an HOn3 coupler perfectly and will also uncouple without any problem.  Being smaller, they also work better on the rolling stock where the coupler size interferes
with the swivel of the trucks.



Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

John Niemeyer
 

I've been using Sergent Sharons for years. While doing research for the 2014 HOn3 Annual article. I found very few narrow gauge equipment that used standard gauge couplers. They were K-36, K-37, class 23 - 41 foot flats and some MOW. Most everything else was either Sharon or Miller that is the same size as a Sharon.

The Sergent doesn't have any couper "bob" and I was able to get a fit in everything that I own. Not possible with Kadee. However Sergents aren't for everybody, but then, neither are Kadees. They both have their plus and minus.
John Niemeyer


On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
I would really like to get rid of the Kadee bounce. Admittedly, I am not a rivet counter and am much more into smooth operation. My feeling is that Kadee/Microscale N scale couplers are still the same design as the Kadee #714. I would gladly stick with 714s if it weren’t for the bounce, and so far I have. But I really hate that bounce. I guess I should just buy a few of the various other kinds and see what I like.

On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:

KaDee HOn3 couplers look way out of proportion on HOn3 rolling stock.  I use Kadee N scale couplers, which are now made by Micro Trains Line (1025).  They look more realistic than the HOn3 couplers and will grip any rolling stock that has an HOn3 coupler perfectly and will also uncouple without any problem.  Being smaller, they also work better on the rolling stock where the coupler size interferes
with the swivel of the trucks.



Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Wayne
 

Yes, the KaDee/Microscale N scale couplers are identical to the KaDee #714s, only scaled down.  I use the same assembly jig for both.


On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:18 AM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
I would really like to get rid of the Kadee bounce. Admittedly, I am not a rivet counter and am much more into smooth operation. My feeling is that Kadee/Microscale N scale couplers are still the same design as the Kadee #714. I would gladly stick with 714s if it weren’t for the bounce, and so far I have. But I really hate that bounce. I guess I should just buy a few of the various other kinds and see what I like.

On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:

KaDee HOn3 couplers look way out of proportion on HOn3 rolling stock.  I use Kadee N scale couplers, which are now made by Micro Trains Line (1025).  They look more realistic than the HOn3 couplers and will grip any rolling stock that has an HOn3 coupler perfectly and will also uncouple without any problem.  Being smaller, they also work better on the rolling stock where the coupler size interferes
with the swivel of the trucks.




--
Wayne Taylor


Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Jim Marlett
 

I would really like to get rid of the Kadee bounce. Admittedly, I am not a rivet counter and am much more into smooth operation. My feeling is that Kadee/Microscale N scale couplers are still the same design as the Kadee #714. I would gladly stick with 714s if it weren’t for the bounce, and so far I have. But I really hate that bounce. I guess I should just buy a few of the various other kinds and see what I like.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:

KaDee HOn3 couplers look way out of proportion on HOn3 rolling stock.  I use Kadee N scale couplers, which are now made by Micro Trains Line (1025).  They look more realistic than the HOn3 couplers and will grip any rolling stock that has an HOn3 coupler perfectly and will also uncouple without any problem.  Being smaller, they also work better on the rolling stock where the coupler size interferes
with the swivel of the trucks.



Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Wayne
 

KaDee HOn3 couplers look way out of proportion on HOn3 rolling stock.  I use Kadee N scale couplers, which are now made by Micro Trains Line (1025).  They look more realistic than the HOn3 couplers and will grip any rolling stock that has an HOn3 coupler perfectly and will also uncouple without any problem.  Being smaller, they also work better on the rolling stock where the coupler size interferes
with the swivel of the trucks.


On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 9:17 AM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
Most Colorado narrow gauge railroads used standard gauge couplers. The question really is whether Kadee’s narrow gauge couplers are actually standard gauge size and the so-called “scale" #158s are actually still oversized for standard gauge couplers. Or does it matter that much.

The question I have of #158 users is are there any problems associated with their use. I’m thinking of springs being too strong for the weight of the car and issues with electrical conductivity on Blackstone products. It looks like they would be a darned sight easier to use as #714 replacements than the new #705s.

On Dec 18, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:

Ray,
 
the head looks to me like HO size and not HOn3…
 
Bodo
 
From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 00:34
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS
 
I suggest Kadee #158 couplers.  They are dimensionally the same as the #714 couplers.  They don't droop and don't have to be assembled.
-- 
Ray in Colorado 




--
Wayne Taylor


Re: precision oiler

Mike Settle
 

Try these oilers sold by Timesavers to see if this is what you need. . Timesavers. They are made for the clock and watch repair business. I have dealt with them before and they are reliable. Clock repair is another one of my hobbies.

Mike Settle


Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Jim Marlett
 

Most Colorado narrow gauge railroads used standard gauge couplers. The question really is whether Kadee’s narrow gauge couplers are actually standard gauge size and the so-called “scale" #158s are actually still oversized for standard gauge couplers. Or does it matter that much.

The question I have of #158 users is are there any problems associated with their use. I’m thinking of springs being too strong for the weight of the car and issues with electrical conductivity on Blackstone products. It looks like they would be a darned sight easier to use as #714 replacements than the new #705s.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Dec 18, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:

Ray,
 
the head looks to me like HO size and not HOn3…
 
Bodo
 
From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 00:34
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS
 
I suggest Kadee #158 couplers.  They are dimensionally the same as the #714 couplers.  They don't droop and don't have to be assembled.
-- 
Ray in Colorado 



Re: precision oiler

John Stutz
 

John

Syringes with rubber seals fail because the oil dissolvs the rubber.  If you require a syringe, you will need to find one with a plastic seal.

All of the precision oilers, that I recall, simply use a needle tip on a small bottle or tube, and inject oil by squeesing.  With a really fine tube, this actually works fairly well.  It can take a bit of pressure to move even quite light oil through at a drop by drop rate, with one of my A-West bottles.

John Stutz

On December 19, 2020 7:08 AM John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:


My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.


Re: precision oiler

lloyd lehrer
 

Dale, you had it right and said A west. I read it wrong and thought aline. 
 In either case, no needle bottles are available.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097


On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 5:21 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
My mistake. I was thinking of A-West. They are gone for sure. They also packaged Blacken-it and Weather-it. Very similar named companies though.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:19 lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: precision oiler

Climax@...
 

As well as Patina-it

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Buxton
Sent: Dec 19, 2020 8:20 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] precision oiler

My mistake. I was thinking of A-West. They are gone for sure. They also packaged Blacken-it and Weather-it. Very similar named companies though.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:19 lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


Re: precision oiler

Dale Buxton
 

I take that back. I did post A-West not A-Line. These are two very different companies and product lines.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 18:21 Dale Buxton via groups.io <dbtuathaddana=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
My mistake. I was thinking of A-West. They are gone for sure. They also packaged Blacken-it and Weather-it. Very similar named companies though.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:19 lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


Re: precision oiler

Dale Buxton
 

My mistake. I was thinking of A-West. They are gone for sure. They also packaged Blacken-it and Weather-it. Very similar named companies though.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:19 lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer
 

Chinese honest 40 watt laser, analog 30 mA meter, air assist, water pump, upgraded CO2 laser tube with not more than 30 hours on it, upgraded power supply. useable table cutting area 9"x 12 5/8", dragchain installed.   runs on k40 whisperer interface and works with inkscape nicely. Available for delivery in the LA area or pickup in manattan beach. $350 but no shipping offered.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097

--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Updated album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa. #photo-notice

jaybird
 

Thanks Brian. This model should look familiar, as you saw it at an early stage years ago at the Timonium show. I put it away for other things, but in the last month or two, something lit a fire under my caboose.

Stan White thinks my model is the first made from his plans, but I've seen you Fulton structure before. Did you work from his plans, or did you measure it yourself?

For the record, I'm not modelling the PBRW, but my free lance thing borrows heavily from it. My interchange with the big roads is laid out like Oxford, Pa. I'm planning several more structures from the Peach Bottom, including Fulton House station and several granaries. My trouble is that my normal speed is "glacial".

Love your EBT no.1 article in the Annual; I don't need an EBT 1, but an NB&W that runs would be great!

Mike Buckelew (jaybird)


Re: Updated album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa. #photo-notice

brian_budeit
 

The station looks terrific, glad to see some Peach Bottom/LO&S modeling. I'm so used to seeing the prototype in red, I'd forgotten the original colors. Very nice. Now you need the enginehouse and turntable ........ ; ) My model of the Fulton grain elevator is still in service on my railroad. The picture shows several of the workers getting a horse hitched up to the turnstile that powered the augers inside the building. The prototype still stands along the LO&S r-o-w almost completely intact including the wooden grain augers. Great prototype to model.
brian b

On Saturday, December 19, 2020, 07:29:59 AM EST, HOn3@groups.io Notification <noreply@groups.io> wrote:


jaybird updated the album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa.: Depot was built of plastic, with roof shingles by Tichey; modified windows from Tichey and Grandt; foundation from the UK firm Wills. All the parts were primed with Krylon rattle can primer in white; the depot color is Poly-S TH&B Cream, brushed on; red trim is rattle can also. The platform and foundation are brushed on Craftsmart Satin Acrylics.Brian Budeit, this is the structure you saw at Timonium many years ago. After being set aside for a time, I finally finished it. (Well, after it's placed into the side of an embankment with steps added at both ends of the platform, it will be finished...)


Re: precision oiler

lloyd lehrer
 

Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


Re: precision oiler

Climax@...
 

I can confirm that A-West is no longer with is.  Terry and his wife were killed in a car accident and the company suddenly stopped.  No further knowledge is known of the chemical make up of his weathering fluids and other materials.
DB

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Buxton
Sent: Dec 19, 2020 11:55 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] precision oiler

To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







Re: precision oiler

Dale Buxton
 

To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







Re: precision oiler

Ken Martin
 

A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin

On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@gmail.com> wrote:

My question about oilers is more basic. Not who will sell me oil. Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes? I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.


Re: precision oiler

John Hutnick
 

My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.

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