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Re: precision oiler

Dale Buxton
 

My mistake. I was thinking of A-West. They are gone for sure. They also packaged Blacken-it and Weather-it. Very similar named companies though.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:19 lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


fs:k40 LASER ENGRAVER/CUTTER

lloyd lehrer
 

Chinese honest 40 watt laser, analog 30 mA meter, air assist, water pump, upgraded CO2 laser tube with not more than 30 hours on it, upgraded power supply. useable table cutting area 9"x 12 5/8", dragchain installed.   runs on k40 whisperer interface and works with inkscape nicely. Available for delivery in the LA area or pickup in manattan beach. $350 but no shipping offered.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097

--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Updated album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa. #photo-notice

jaybird
 

Thanks Brian. This model should look familiar, as you saw it at an early stage years ago at the Timonium show. I put it away for other things, but in the last month or two, something lit a fire under my caboose.

Stan White thinks my model is the first made from his plans, but I've seen you Fulton structure before. Did you work from his plans, or did you measure it yourself?

For the record, I'm not modelling the PBRW, but my free lance thing borrows heavily from it. My interchange with the big roads is laid out like Oxford, Pa. I'm planning several more structures from the Peach Bottom, including Fulton House station and several granaries. My trouble is that my normal speed is "glacial".

Love your EBT no.1 article in the Annual; I don't need an EBT 1, but an NB&W that runs would be great!

Mike Buckelew (jaybird)


Re: Updated album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa. #photo-notice

brian_budeit
 

The station looks terrific, glad to see some Peach Bottom/LO&S modeling. I'm so used to seeing the prototype in red, I'd forgotten the original colors. Very nice. Now you need the enginehouse and turntable ........ ; ) My model of the Fulton grain elevator is still in service on my railroad. The picture shows several of the workers getting a horse hitched up to the turnstile that powered the augers inside the building. The prototype still stands along the LO&S r-o-w almost completely intact including the wooden grain augers. Great prototype to model.
brian b

On Saturday, December 19, 2020, 07:29:59 AM EST, HOn3@groups.io Notification <noreply@groups.io> wrote:


jaybird updated the album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa.: Depot was built of plastic, with roof shingles by Tichey; modified windows from Tichey and Grandt; foundation from the UK firm Wills. All the parts were primed with Krylon rattle can primer in white; the depot color is Poly-S TH&B Cream, brushed on; red trim is rattle can also. The platform and foundation are brushed on Craftsmart Satin Acrylics.Brian Budeit, this is the structure you saw at Timonium many years ago. After being set aside for a time, I finally finished it. (Well, after it's placed into the side of an embankment with steps added at both ends of the platform, it will be finished...)


Re: precision oiler

lloyd lehrer
 

Dale, a-line/protopowerwest is very alive.

https://ppw-aline.com/

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:55 AM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







--
lloyd lehrer


Re: precision oiler

Climax@...
 

I can confirm that A-West is no longer with is.  Terry and his wife were killed in a car accident and the company suddenly stopped.  No further knowledge is known of the chemical make up of his weathering fluids and other materials.
DB

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Buxton
Sent: Dec 19, 2020 11:55 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] precision oiler

To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







Re: precision oiler

Dale Buxton
 

To the best of my knowledge , A-west is out of business. But you can find similar products on Amazon in a vast range of  needle diameters. Nano-Oil (made by  St. Claire)  comes in applicator pens and bottles with decreasing needle diameters as the viscosity of the oil decreases. Because of the way it works, Nano-Oil truly is the best stuff out there! You can find it on Amazon as well.

Dale Buxton

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:48 AM Ken Martin via groups.io <kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io> wrote:
A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint  bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
>
> My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.







Re: precision oiler

Ken Martin
 

A-West has a line of Stainless Needlepoint bottles with different size tips.

Ken Martin

On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:08 AM, John Hutnick <johnhutnick@gmail.com> wrote:

My question about oilers is more basic. Not who will sell me oil. Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes? I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.


Re: precision oiler

John Hutnick
 

My question about oilers is more basic.  Not who will sell me oil.  Who sells an actual precision oiler with different needle sizes?  I have tried medical hypodermic syringes, put the plunger disintegrates.


Updated album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa. #photo-notice

HOn3@groups.io Notification <noreply@...>
 

jaybird updated the album Peach Bottom Railway depot at Dorseys, Pa.: Depot was built of plastic, with roof shingles by Tichey; modified windows from Tichey and Grandt; foundation from the UK firm Wills. All the parts were primed with Krylon rattle can primer in white; the depot color is Poly-S TH&B Cream, brushed on; red trim is rattle can also. The platform and foundation are brushed on Craftsmart Satin Acrylics. Brian Budeit, this is the structure you saw at Timonium many years ago. After being set aside for a time, I finally finished it. (Well, after it's placed into the side of an embankment with steps added at both ends of the platform, it will be finished...)


Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Bodo Rasler
 

Ray,

 

the head looks to me like HO size and not HOn3…

 

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 00:34
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

 

I suggest Kadee #158 couplers.  They are dimensionally the same as the #714 couplers.  They don't droop and don't have to be assembled.
--
Ray in Colorado


Re: I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

Art D3
 

Stoner Creek is very much alive and doing business. I just received a remotor kit for a Westside C-16. Shipping took longer than dealing with Steffan. He responded to all of my emails within a day or two. Started with getting the current prices for what I wanted.

Here is his direct email.

steffen.rosmus@...

--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT


Re: Couplers for Precision Scale HOn3 BRASS

Ray
 

I suggest Kadee #158 couplers.  They are dimensionally the same as the #714 couplers.  They don't droop and don't have to be assembled.
--
Ray in Colorado


Re: precision oiler

LARRY KLOSE
 

Nano Oil also has grease. Good for gears.

Larry


Re: precision oiler

Robert Veefkind
 

 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2020 3:37:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloydlehrer@... writes:
 
thanks Guys   ordered the Labelle   good company and good stuff

 

 


I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

Dave
 


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Begin forwarded message:

From: Dave <4437087@...>
Date: December 18, 2020 at 3:51:13 PM CST
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor
Reply-To: HOn3@groups.io



2604 4th Street N.W.
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
T2M 3A1

Phone: 403 277- 7226

Fax:      403 277 7688

trainsandsuch@...

http://www.trainsandsuch.com


These folks still have a website and are listed as a dealer for Stoner Creek. Might be easier to call and ask the question in English than German...
Dave


On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:58 AM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:



Stoner Creek's web site was last updated in 2012, eight years ago.  I tried contacting him this past summer and got no response.

                                                                                                                                                                Duncan Harvey

On 12/18/2020 10:22 AM, Wayne wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:10 AM Alan <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

Is Stoner Creek in Germany still around?  He offered a fantastic array of motors and gearboxes for lots of brass. Much more then Wayne form loco doc.

Alan in MN

 

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From: Craig Symington
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Roger Clay; hon3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

 

Hi Roger,

 

You should probably get a copy of this https://www.bobhayden.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=102 so you have all sorts of back issues of the Gazette.  It’s unfortunate that it’s not being kept up to date, but there is tons of good information in there.  It’s possible to run it on a newer Mac using Parallels or Fusion with a Window 10 virtual machine.  I run it on a Mac.

 

On that disk:

 

Jim Vail’s articles on Getting them running.  Most of this information is still valid. He was very thorough.  Mar/Aprl 1989 thru Mar/Apr 1990

 

Also on the archive disk, if you search, is Boone Morrisons articles.  He did a bunch of articles on reworking those FED models.  You’ll have to look up his articles.  There were lots as I recall.

 

My Brass Bashing articles:

 

Jan/Feb 2017

Mar/Apr 2017

May/Jun 2017

 

That last two are available on White River’s website as back issues.

 

I did some brass bashing on Lambert Geese too, but you’ll have to look that up.  They aren’t own that archive disk.

 

My May/Jun 2020 article contains information on acquiring LEDs, Tubing, screws and motors for brass projects.  The motor market has dried up since Covid, but the other information should be still valid.  This should be available as a back issue from White River.

 

The long article on rebuilding brass was in the 2009 HOn3 annual.  Also available from White River.  It includes a mason-bogie.

 

I’m puzzled by your comment on your comment that my articles don’t cover much on that particular topic.  Sure the other ones this year were on the Rico Coal Pocket, etc.  I write about lots of different things and people would get bored of reading about only one subject, but the current issue (at least it is supposed to) tackles exactly the problem you are facing.  The premise of the article is that people getting into the hobby are finding the HOn3 locomotive options expensive and not always available.  So I take the reader step by step through a (relatively) inexpensive approach to reworking older brass.  Maybe part 2 (Jan/Feb 2021) is needed to make it come together?  That issue should be out in about a month.



You are probably not going to find a specific answer to the project you have in mind.  Not a lot of people will work on HOn3 brass.  And of those, not a lot will write about it.  Also, many resources come and go.  Motors are a good example of that.  What’s available today, will likely be gone in months or years.  So what worked for someone at one time, might not have the resources to be replicated today.  You are going to have to figure out your project on your own.   All you can do is learn from others and learn from yourself by trying.  I’m no expert, but I keep learning from both of those things.  Every project is unique.  Getting back to the brass bashing articles.  I’m hoping that I show enough examples that the reader will get some ideas for their own projects.  I don’t expect that anyone would ever copy exactly what I’ve done. 

 

BTW.  If you read my articles you’ll notice an absence of gearbox swaps in HOn3.  That’s because there aren’t many options that I know of.  Most of the HO gearboxes are too big for HOn3.  And if you can fit one in an HOn3 engine, usually the motor is so small that it doesn’t have enough torque to turn it properly.  Those small engines you have will definitely fall into that category.  The only option is the 50:1 NWSL gearbox and I never had much luck with it.  There are older Kemtron ones if you can find them.  The options in HO right now is the larger HO (mod 3) NWSL gearboxes and the Samhongsa ones the guys on the Facebook group bring in.  Both are probably too big for most HOn3.  I try to re-use the HOn3 gearboxes as much as possible.  Although not perfect, you can use motors with gear heads or DCC to adjust your running performance to some degree. 

 

Lastly.  Here’s a source of ideas and parts that falls out of the view of the average north american modeller.  Maybe you can find some parts here.  http://www.nigellawton009.com/VeeTipper.html  I don’t have much experience with them.  I did order some driveline parts that I haven’t tried yet.  It took about 3 weeks to get the parts to Canada last month.

 

Good luck.

 

Craig.

 

 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Roger Clay <roger@...> wrote:

 

Craig!

 

Thanks for your reply and advice. Do you happen to have the NGSLG issues your brass-bashing articles have appeared in. Your articles this year, while great, don’t cover much on that particular topic — which is a big interest for me right now.

 

Looking forward to your reply and I’ll talk to you downstream~~~

 

— burnin’ rio



On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:36 PM, craig riograndesouthern.com <craig@...> wrote:

 

Hi Roger,

Check out the current and past Narrow Gauge Gazettes for a bunch of “Brass bashing” articles that I’ve written.   They are step by step tutorials on rebuilding HOn3 brass.  I write about all the steps that I can think of, but you can pick and choose what things are important to you and skip the rest.   In the current issue (Nov\Dec 2020) I talk about picking a suitable subject and start a 2 article series on doing exactly what you are asking about.  

In the past I’ve done a bunch of other brass bashing projects in the Gazette too.  Sure they aren’t the same models you are looking at but the concepts and advice are the same.  Earlier this year I wrote about obtaining parts, motors, etc.  Much of that has changed since Covid, but there is still good information there.  In the 2009 or 2010 HOn3 annual (still available from white river), I wrote an exhaustive series on painting brass.  I think there is the same mason bogie in that article that you have.  I did up 3-5 bogies at the time.   Around 1990, Jim Vail wrote a long series on the Gazette on reworking brass.  Most of his ideas stand today.  I’m thinking about writing a supplement for it on what has changed.

The remoter and repower group is great as someone else suggested.  There is a brass workshop group on Facebook with decent information.  Probably the best info is the page owners periodically go to Samhongsa and do a bulk buy on gearboxes, motors and details.  They are currently looking to source some good motors that would be suitable for HOn3. 

If you want to save yourself some pain, try remotoring, etc a HO standard gauge brass engine first.  You’ll learn a lot about the process without the pain of working in HOn3. I do a lot of standard gauge engines.  I thoroughly enjoy the process.  I slowed down significantly on  the HOn3 models because I find it much more tedious and frustrating. My eyes aren’t what what they used to be too.

Good luck.  The information is out there if you look for it.  With practice, you’ll get good at reworking those engines.

Craig Symington.

 

Roger Clay

The 7th Direction

Marin County, California

mobile & txt: 415-233-1290

 

 

 



--
Wayne Taylor


Re: I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

Alan
 

For those interested. I just got a reply from STONERCREEK. He is still in business! This is good!

 

Regards – Alan in MN

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mike Chamberlain
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 3:51 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

 

Stoner creek is still around BUT I wouldn't buy from them . I oredeed a motor / gearbox from them earlier in the year . It took over 4 months to receive my package , and what I got was not what I ordered . It was a very cheep no name motor . It would have taken 32 bucks to ship back Germany  to get my refund . So naturally I felt cheated . Mike

 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 2:52 PM Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:

I saw that his prices were last updated in 2008.  It doesn't make sense to maintain a webpage if you're out of business.  Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with trans-Atlantic customers.

 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:58 AM duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Stoner Creek's web site was last updated in 2012, eight years ago.  I tried contacting him this past summer and got no response.

                                                                                                                                                                Duncan Harvey

On 12/18/2020 10:22 AM, Wayne wrote:

 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:10 AM Alan <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

Is Stoner Creek in Germany still around?  He offered a fantastic array of motors and gearboxes for lots of brass. Much more then Wayne form loco doc.

Alan in MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Craig Symington
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Roger Clay; hon3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

 

Hi Roger,

 

You should probably get a copy of this https://www.bobhayden.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=102 so you have all sorts of back issues of the Gazette.  It’s unfortunate that it’s not being kept up to date, but there is tons of good information in there.  It’s possible to run it on a newer Mac using Parallels or Fusion with a Window 10 virtual machine.  I run it on a Mac.

 

On that disk:

 

Jim Vail’s articles on Getting them running.  Most of this information is still valid. He was very thorough.  Mar/Aprl 1989 thru Mar/Apr 1990

 

Also on the archive disk, if you search, is Boone Morrisons articles.  He did a bunch of articles on reworking those FED models.  You’ll have to look up his articles.  There were lots as I recall.

 

My Brass Bashing articles:

 

Jan/Feb 2017

Mar/Apr 2017

May/Jun 2017

 

That last two are available on White River’s website as back issues.

 

I did some brass bashing on Lambert Geese too, but you’ll have to look that up.  They aren’t own that archive disk.

 

My May/Jun 2020 article contains information on acquiring LEDs, Tubing, screws and motors for brass projects.  The motor market has dried up since Covid, but the other information should be still valid.  This should be available as a back issue from White River.

 

The long article on rebuilding brass was in the 2009 HOn3 annual.  Also available from White River.  It includes a mason-bogie.

 

I’m puzzled by your comment on your comment that my articles don’t cover much on that particular topic.  Sure the other ones this year were on the Rico Coal Pocket, etc.  I write about lots of different things and people would get bored of reading about only one subject, but the current issue (at least it is supposed to) tackles exactly the problem you are facing.  The premise of the article is that people getting into the hobby are finding the HOn3 locomotive options expensive and not always available.  So I take the reader step by step through a (relatively) inexpensive approach to reworking older brass.  Maybe part 2 (Jan/Feb 2021) is needed to make it come together?  That issue should be out in about a month.

 

You are probably not going to find a specific answer to the project you have in mind.  Not a lot of people will work on HOn3 brass.  And of those, not a lot will write about it.  Also, many resources come and go.  Motors are a good example of that.  What’s available today, will likely be gone in months or years.  So what worked for someone at one time, might not have the resources to be replicated today.  You are going to have to figure out your project on your own.   All you can do is learn from others and learn from yourself by trying.  I’m no expert, but I keep learning from both of those things.  Every project is unique.  Getting back to the brass bashing articles.  I’m hoping that I show enough examples that the reader will get some ideas for their own projects.  I don’t expect that anyone would ever copy exactly what I’ve done. 

 

BTW.  If you read my articles you’ll notice an absence of gearbox swaps in HOn3.  That’s because there aren’t many options that I know of.  Most of the HO gearboxes are too big for HOn3.  And if you can fit one in an HOn3 engine, usually the motor is so small that it doesn’t have enough torque to turn it properly.  Those small engines you have will definitely fall into that category.  The only option is the 50:1 NWSL gearbox and I never had much luck with it.  There are older Kemtron ones if you can find them.  The options in HO right now is the larger HO (mod 3) NWSL gearboxes and the Samhongsa ones the guys on the Facebook group bring in.  Both are probably too big for most HOn3.  I try to re-use the HOn3 gearboxes as much as possible.  Although not perfect, you can use motors with gear heads or DCC to adjust your running performance to some degree. 

 

Lastly.  Here’s a source of ideas and parts that falls out of the view of the average north american modeller.  Maybe you can find some parts here.  http://www.nigellawton009.com/VeeTipper.html  I don’t have much experience with them.  I did order some driveline parts that I haven’t tried yet.  It took about 3 weeks to get the parts to Canada last month.

 

Good luck.

 

Craig.

 

 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Roger Clay <roger@...> wrote:

 

Craig!

 

Thanks for your reply and advice. Do you happen to have the NGSLG issues your brass-bashing articles have appeared in. Your articles this year, while great, don’t cover much on that particular topic — which is a big interest for me right now.

 

Looking forward to your reply and I’ll talk to you downstream~~~

 

— burnin’ rio

 

On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:36 PM, craig riograndesouthern.com <craig@...> wrote:

 

Hi Roger,

Check out the current and past Narrow Gauge Gazettes for a bunch of “Brass bashing” articles that I’ve written.   They are step by step tutorials on rebuilding HOn3 brass.  I write about all the steps that I can think of, but you can pick and choose what things are important to you and skip the rest.   In the current issue (Nov\Dec 2020) I talk about picking a suitable subject and start a 2 article series on doing exactly what you are asking about.  

In the past I’ve done a bunch of other brass bashing projects in the Gazette too.  Sure they aren’t the same models you are looking at but the concepts and advice are the same.  Earlier this year I wrote about obtaining parts, motors, etc.  Much of that has changed since Covid, but there is still good information there.  In the 2009 or 2010 HOn3 annual (still available from white river), I wrote an exhaustive series on painting brass.  I think there is the same mason bogie in that article that you have.  I did up 3-5 bogies at the time.   Around 1990, Jim Vail wrote a long series on the Gazette on reworking brass.  Most of his ideas stand today.  I’m thinking about writing a supplement for it on what has changed.

The remoter and repower group is great as someone else suggested.  There is a brass workshop group on Facebook with decent information.  Probably the best info is the page owners periodically go to Samhongsa and do a bulk buy on gearboxes, motors and details.  They are currently looking to source some good motors that would be suitable for HOn3. 

If you want to save yourself some pain, try remotoring, etc a HO standard gauge brass engine first.  You’ll learn a lot about the process without the pain of working in HOn3. I do a lot of standard gauge engines.  I thoroughly enjoy the process.  I slowed down significantly on  the HOn3 models because I find it much more tedious and frustrating. My eyes aren’t what what they used to be too.

Good luck.  The information is out there if you look for it.  With practice, you’ll get good at reworking those engines.

Craig Symington.

 

Roger Clay

The 7th Direction

Marin County, California

mobile & txt: 415-233-1290

 

 

 



--

Wayne Taylor



--

Wayne Taylor

 


Re: I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

Mike Chamberlain
 

Stoner creek is still around BUT I wouldn't buy from them . I oredeed a motor / gearbox from them earlier in the year . It took over 4 months to receive my package , and what I got was not what I ordered . It was a very cheep no name motor . It would have taken 32 bucks to ship back Germany  to get my refund . So naturally I felt cheated . Mike


On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 2:52 PM Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:
I saw that his prices were last updated in 2008.  It doesn't make sense to maintain a webpage if you're out of business.  Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with trans-Atlantic customers.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:58 AM duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Stoner Creek's web site was last updated in 2012, eight years ago.  I tried contacting him this past summer and got no response.

                                                                                                                                                                Duncan Harvey

On 12/18/2020 10:22 AM, Wayne wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:10 AM Alan <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

Is Stoner Creek in Germany still around?  He offered a fantastic array of motors and gearboxes for lots of brass. Much more then Wayne form loco doc.

Alan in MN

 

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From: Craig Symington
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Roger Clay; hon3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

 

Hi Roger,

 

You should probably get a copy of this https://www.bobhayden.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=102 so you have all sorts of back issues of the Gazette.  It’s unfortunate that it’s not being kept up to date, but there is tons of good information in there.  It’s possible to run it on a newer Mac using Parallels or Fusion with a Window 10 virtual machine.  I run it on a Mac.

 

On that disk:

 

Jim Vail’s articles on Getting them running.  Most of this information is still valid. He was very thorough.  Mar/Aprl 1989 thru Mar/Apr 1990

 

Also on the archive disk, if you search, is Boone Morrisons articles.  He did a bunch of articles on reworking those FED models.  You’ll have to look up his articles.  There were lots as I recall.

 

My Brass Bashing articles:

 

Jan/Feb 2017

Mar/Apr 2017

May/Jun 2017

 

That last two are available on White River’s website as back issues.

 

I did some brass bashing on Lambert Geese too, but you’ll have to look that up.  They aren’t own that archive disk.

 

My May/Jun 2020 article contains information on acquiring LEDs, Tubing, screws and motors for brass projects.  The motor market has dried up since Covid, but the other information should be still valid.  This should be available as a back issue from White River.

 

The long article on rebuilding brass was in the 2009 HOn3 annual.  Also available from White River.  It includes a mason-bogie.

 

I’m puzzled by your comment on your comment that my articles don’t cover much on that particular topic.  Sure the other ones this year were on the Rico Coal Pocket, etc.  I write about lots of different things and people would get bored of reading about only one subject, but the current issue (at least it is supposed to) tackles exactly the problem you are facing.  The premise of the article is that people getting into the hobby are finding the HOn3 locomotive options expensive and not always available.  So I take the reader step by step through a (relatively) inexpensive approach to reworking older brass.  Maybe part 2 (Jan/Feb 2021) is needed to make it come together?  That issue should be out in about a month.



You are probably not going to find a specific answer to the project you have in mind.  Not a lot of people will work on HOn3 brass.  And of those, not a lot will write about it.  Also, many resources come and go.  Motors are a good example of that.  What’s available today, will likely be gone in months or years.  So what worked for someone at one time, might not have the resources to be replicated today.  You are going to have to figure out your project on your own.   All you can do is learn from others and learn from yourself by trying.  I’m no expert, but I keep learning from both of those things.  Every project is unique.  Getting back to the brass bashing articles.  I’m hoping that I show enough examples that the reader will get some ideas for their own projects.  I don’t expect that anyone would ever copy exactly what I’ve done. 

 

BTW.  If you read my articles you’ll notice an absence of gearbox swaps in HOn3.  That’s because there aren’t many options that I know of.  Most of the HO gearboxes are too big for HOn3.  And if you can fit one in an HOn3 engine, usually the motor is so small that it doesn’t have enough torque to turn it properly.  Those small engines you have will definitely fall into that category.  The only option is the 50:1 NWSL gearbox and I never had much luck with it.  There are older Kemtron ones if you can find them.  The options in HO right now is the larger HO (mod 3) NWSL gearboxes and the Samhongsa ones the guys on the Facebook group bring in.  Both are probably too big for most HOn3.  I try to re-use the HOn3 gearboxes as much as possible.  Although not perfect, you can use motors with gear heads or DCC to adjust your running performance to some degree. 

 

Lastly.  Here’s a source of ideas and parts that falls out of the view of the average north american modeller.  Maybe you can find some parts here.  http://www.nigellawton009.com/VeeTipper.html  I don’t have much experience with them.  I did order some driveline parts that I haven’t tried yet.  It took about 3 weeks to get the parts to Canada last month.

 

Good luck.

 

Craig.

 

 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Roger Clay <roger@...> wrote:

 

Craig!

 

Thanks for your reply and advice. Do you happen to have the NGSLG issues your brass-bashing articles have appeared in. Your articles this year, while great, don’t cover much on that particular topic — which is a big interest for me right now.

 

Looking forward to your reply and I’ll talk to you downstream~~~

 

— burnin’ rio



On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:36 PM, craig riograndesouthern.com <craig@...> wrote:

 

Hi Roger,

Check out the current and past Narrow Gauge Gazettes for a bunch of “Brass bashing” articles that I’ve written.   They are step by step tutorials on rebuilding HOn3 brass.  I write about all the steps that I can think of, but you can pick and choose what things are important to you and skip the rest.   In the current issue (Nov\Dec 2020) I talk about picking a suitable subject and start a 2 article series on doing exactly what you are asking about.  

In the past I’ve done a bunch of other brass bashing projects in the Gazette too.  Sure they aren’t the same models you are looking at but the concepts and advice are the same.  Earlier this year I wrote about obtaining parts, motors, etc.  Much of that has changed since Covid, but there is still good information there.  In the 2009 or 2010 HOn3 annual (still available from white river), I wrote an exhaustive series on painting brass.  I think there is the same mason bogie in that article that you have.  I did up 3-5 bogies at the time.   Around 1990, Jim Vail wrote a long series on the Gazette on reworking brass.  Most of his ideas stand today.  I’m thinking about writing a supplement for it on what has changed.

The remoter and repower group is great as someone else suggested.  There is a brass workshop group on Facebook with decent information.  Probably the best info is the page owners periodically go to Samhongsa and do a bulk buy on gearboxes, motors and details.  They are currently looking to source some good motors that would be suitable for HOn3. 

If you want to save yourself some pain, try remotoring, etc a HO standard gauge brass engine first.  You’ll learn a lot about the process without the pain of working in HOn3. I do a lot of standard gauge engines.  I thoroughly enjoy the process.  I slowed down significantly on  the HOn3 models because I find it much more tedious and frustrating. My eyes aren’t what what they used to be too.

Good luck.  The information is out there if you look for it.  With practice, you’ll get good at reworking those engines.

Craig Symington.

 

Roger Clay

The 7th Direction

Marin County, California

mobile & txt: 415-233-1290

 

 

 



--
Wayne Taylor



--
Wayne Taylor


Re: I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

Dave
 

2604 4th Street N.W.
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
T2M 3A1

Phone: 403 277- 7226

Fax:      403 277 7688

trainsandsuch@...

http://www.trainsandsuch.com


These folks still have a website and are listed as a dealer for Stoner Creek. Might be easier to call and ask the question in English than German...
Dave


On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:58 AM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:



Stoner Creek's web site was last updated in 2012, eight years ago.  I tried contacting him this past summer and got no response.

                                                                                                                                                                Duncan Harvey

On 12/18/2020 10:22 AM, Wayne wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:10 AM Alan <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

Is Stoner Creek in Germany still around?  He offered a fantastic array of motors and gearboxes for lots of brass. Much more then Wayne form loco doc.

Alan in MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Craig Symington
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Roger Clay; hon3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

 

Hi Roger,

 

You should probably get a copy of this https://www.bobhayden.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=102 so you have all sorts of back issues of the Gazette.  It’s unfortunate that it’s not being kept up to date, but there is tons of good information in there.  It’s possible to run it on a newer Mac using Parallels or Fusion with a Window 10 virtual machine.  I run it on a Mac.

 

On that disk:

 

Jim Vail’s articles on Getting them running.  Most of this information is still valid. He was very thorough.  Mar/Aprl 1989 thru Mar/Apr 1990

 

Also on the archive disk, if you search, is Boone Morrisons articles.  He did a bunch of articles on reworking those FED models.  You’ll have to look up his articles.  There were lots as I recall.

 

My Brass Bashing articles:

 

Jan/Feb 2017

Mar/Apr 2017

May/Jun 2017

 

That last two are available on White River’s website as back issues.

 

I did some brass bashing on Lambert Geese too, but you’ll have to look that up.  They aren’t own that archive disk.

 

My May/Jun 2020 article contains information on acquiring LEDs, Tubing, screws and motors for brass projects.  The motor market has dried up since Covid, but the other information should be still valid.  This should be available as a back issue from White River.

 

The long article on rebuilding brass was in the 2009 HOn3 annual.  Also available from White River.  It includes a mason-bogie.

 

I’m puzzled by your comment on your comment that my articles don’t cover much on that particular topic.  Sure the other ones this year were on the Rico Coal Pocket, etc.  I write about lots of different things and people would get bored of reading about only one subject, but the current issue (at least it is supposed to) tackles exactly the problem you are facing.  The premise of the article is that people getting into the hobby are finding the HOn3 locomotive options expensive and not always available.  So I take the reader step by step through a (relatively) inexpensive approach to reworking older brass.  Maybe part 2 (Jan/Feb 2021) is needed to make it come together?  That issue should be out in about a month.



You are probably not going to find a specific answer to the project you have in mind.  Not a lot of people will work on HOn3 brass.  And of those, not a lot will write about it.  Also, many resources come and go.  Motors are a good example of that.  What’s available today, will likely be gone in months or years.  So what worked for someone at one time, might not have the resources to be replicated today.  You are going to have to figure out your project on your own.   All you can do is learn from others and learn from yourself by trying.  I’m no expert, but I keep learning from both of those things.  Every project is unique.  Getting back to the brass bashing articles.  I’m hoping that I show enough examples that the reader will get some ideas for their own projects.  I don’t expect that anyone would ever copy exactly what I’ve done. 

 

BTW.  If you read my articles you’ll notice an absence of gearbox swaps in HOn3.  That’s because there aren’t many options that I know of.  Most of the HO gearboxes are too big for HOn3.  And if you can fit one in an HOn3 engine, usually the motor is so small that it doesn’t have enough torque to turn it properly.  Those small engines you have will definitely fall into that category.  The only option is the 50:1 NWSL gearbox and I never had much luck with it.  There are older Kemtron ones if you can find them.  The options in HO right now is the larger HO (mod 3) NWSL gearboxes and the Samhongsa ones the guys on the Facebook group bring in.  Both are probably too big for most HOn3.  I try to re-use the HOn3 gearboxes as much as possible.  Although not perfect, you can use motors with gear heads or DCC to adjust your running performance to some degree. 

 

Lastly.  Here’s a source of ideas and parts that falls out of the view of the average north american modeller.  Maybe you can find some parts here.  http://www.nigellawton009.com/VeeTipper.html  I don’t have much experience with them.  I did order some driveline parts that I haven’t tried yet.  It took about 3 weeks to get the parts to Canada last month.

 

Good luck.

 

Craig.

 

 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Roger Clay <roger@...> wrote:

 

Craig!

 

Thanks for your reply and advice. Do you happen to have the NGSLG issues your brass-bashing articles have appeared in. Your articles this year, while great, don’t cover much on that particular topic — which is a big interest for me right now.

 

Looking forward to your reply and I’ll talk to you downstream~~~

 

— burnin’ rio



On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:36 PM, craig riograndesouthern.com <craig@...> wrote:

 

Hi Roger,

Check out the current and past Narrow Gauge Gazettes for a bunch of “Brass bashing” articles that I’ve written.   They are step by step tutorials on rebuilding HOn3 brass.  I write about all the steps that I can think of, but you can pick and choose what things are important to you and skip the rest.   In the current issue (Nov\Dec 2020) I talk about picking a suitable subject and start a 2 article series on doing exactly what you are asking about.  

In the past I’ve done a bunch of other brass bashing projects in the Gazette too.  Sure they aren’t the same models you are looking at but the concepts and advice are the same.  Earlier this year I wrote about obtaining parts, motors, etc.  Much of that has changed since Covid, but there is still good information there.  In the 2009 or 2010 HOn3 annual (still available from white river), I wrote an exhaustive series on painting brass.  I think there is the same mason bogie in that article that you have.  I did up 3-5 bogies at the time.   Around 1990, Jim Vail wrote a long series on the Gazette on reworking brass.  Most of his ideas stand today.  I’m thinking about writing a supplement for it on what has changed.

The remoter and repower group is great as someone else suggested.  There is a brass workshop group on Facebook with decent information.  Probably the best info is the page owners periodically go to Samhongsa and do a bulk buy on gearboxes, motors and details.  They are currently looking to source some good motors that would be suitable for HOn3. 

If you want to save yourself some pain, try remotoring, etc a HO standard gauge brass engine first.  You’ll learn a lot about the process without the pain of working in HOn3. I do a lot of standard gauge engines.  I thoroughly enjoy the process.  I slowed down significantly on  the HOn3 models because I find it much more tedious and frustrating. My eyes aren’t what what they used to be too.

Good luck.  The information is out there if you look for it.  With practice, you’ll get good at reworking those engines.

Craig Symington.

 

Roger Clay

The 7th Direction

Marin County, California

mobile & txt: 415-233-1290

 

 

 



--
Wayne Taylor


Re: I'm looking for a remotoring-regearing guru/mentor

LARRY KLOSE
 

" If you want to save yourself some pain, try remotoring, etc a HO standard
gauge brass engine first. You'll learn a lot about the process without the
pain of working in HOn3. I do a lot of standard gauge engines. I thoroughly
enjoy the process. I slowed down significantly on the HOn3 models because I
find it much more tedious and frustrating. My eyes aren't what they used to
be too." Craig Symington

My solution to this problem was to go to Sn3. The mechanisms are similar to
HO standard gauge, the mass of rolling stock is similar to HO and the detail
is easier to see. I traded most of my HO locomotives to a dealer for fewer
Sn3 locos and that got me started. I've never looked back.

I read this list because learning isn't limited to one scale.

Larry

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