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Re: Blackstone K-27

Bill Lugg
 

I don't have one of these things, so I don't know what I'm talking about, but...

If one was to acquire one of the Minebea 10 mm motors (I assume the 15 mm motors are too big), would it fit in the cradle or could a new cradle be designed and 3D printed to hold it?

Just a thought from an ignorant soul.

Bill Lugg

On 12/15/20 1:10 AM, Mark Kasprowicz wrote:
The first run of K-27 was affected by over oiling of the motor. In many cases it was possible to burn the oil off by applying 12 volts DC to the motor via the two outer pins of the drawbar connector. Not always a permanent cure and repeating the treatment is sometimes needed. Worst cases need the motor replaced and they are no longer available from Blackstone/ Soundtraxx.
The topic of a replacement motor came up on the Repower and Regear groups but no one has come up with a solution. One of the difficulties is that the small motor fits tightly into a cradle which is part of the underside of the boiler, and there are no replacements with a similar shape. Another is that the shaft must be long enough to be able to fit the chuff sync wheel within the opto sensor.
I managed to fit a Mashima 1220 into the cradle of one but it's not really powerful enough.
So a couple of thoughts. Has anyone pulled the motor out of the cradle and ran it at an angle to allow the oil to escape. Or immersed it a solvent that might thin the oil but not damage the windings. The need of the chuff sensor disappears if you replace the decoder with a TSU2, which also frees up two more pins on the drawbar connector for marker and cab lights. Another bonus is that the original decoder and breakout board were big, the TSU2 is much smaller so that adding a stay alive and an iPhone speaker was quite easy. But it still doesn't solve the motor problem. I have run out of ideas.

Mark K


Re: Blackstone K-27

Jim Marlett
 

Since I have several first run non-runners, I have thought about running a solvent through the motors, but I haven’t been brave enough to try. I have a can of electronics cleaner, but the fear of completely ruining the motor has kept me from trying that approach, especially when I haven’t even tried letting the magic smoke out yet. My plan was to skip trying to do the 12 volt to the motor fix and just install a new assembly from Blackstone, but that was just as they ran out of replacements. They were expecting more, but it looks like that has turned into another K-36 type issue. My guess is that the over-oiling gets lube on the commutator and creates enough resistance that the decoder senses trouble and shuts things down. My fear with solvents is removing insulation somewhere unexpected or just moving the oil all over the place. I guess I should just get off my lazy butt and try letting the magic smoke out.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:10 AM, Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:

The first run of K-27 was affected by over oiling of the motor. In many cases it was possible to burn the oil off by applying 12 volts DC to the motor via the two outer pins of the drawbar connector. Not always a permanent cure and repeating the treatment is sometimes needed. Worst cases need the motor replaced and they are no longer available from Blackstone/ Soundtraxx.
The topic of a replacement motor came up on the Repower and Regear groups but no one has come up with a solution. One of the difficulties is that the small motor fits tightly into a cradle which is part of the underside of the boiler, and there are no replacements with a similar shape. Another is that the shaft must be long enough to be able to fit the chuff sync wheel within the opto sensor.
I managed to fit a Mashima 1220 into the cradle of one but it's not really powerful enough.
So a couple of thoughts. Has anyone pulled the motor out of the cradle and ran it at an angle to allow the oil to escape. Or immersed it a solvent that might thin the oil but not damage the windings. The need of the chuff sensor disappears if you replace the decoder with a TSU2, which also frees up two more pins on the drawbar connector for marker and cab lights. Another bonus is that the original decoder and breakout board were big, the TSU2 is much smaller so that adding a stay alive and an iPhone speaker was quite easy. But it still doesn't solve the motor problem. I have run out of ideas.

Mark K


Blackstone K-27

Mark Kasprowicz
 

The first run of K-27 was affected by over oiling of the motor. In many cases it was possible to burn the oil off by applying 12 volts DC to the motor via the two outer pins of the drawbar connector. Not always a permanent cure and repeating the treatment is sometimes needed. Worst cases need the motor replaced and they are no longer available from Blackstone/ Soundtraxx.
The topic of a replacement motor came up on the Repower and Regear groups but no one has come up with a solution. One of the difficulties is that the small motor fits tightly into a cradle which is part of the underside of the boiler, and there are no replacements with a similar shape. Another is that the shaft must be long enough to be able to fit the chuff sync wheel within the opto sensor.
I managed to fit a Mashima 1220 into the cradle of one but it's not really powerful enough.
So a couple of thoughts. Has anyone pulled the motor out of the cradle and ran it at an angle to allow the oil to escape. Or immersed it a solvent that might thin the oil but not damage the windings. The need of the chuff sensor disappears if you replace the decoder with a TSU2, which also frees up two more pins on the drawbar connector for marker and cab lights. Another bonus is that the original decoder and breakout board were big, the TSU2 is much smaller so that adding a stay alive and an iPhone speaker was quite easy. But it still doesn't solve the motor problem. I have run out of ideas.

Mark K


Re: Western Rails HOn3 trucks

John Stutz
 

I have some Western Rails trucks, and they roll fairly well.  Was looking over the 6' WB BRB&L pasenger trucks just now.  These are the correct wheelbase for the Pullman cars used in Colorado, and for White Pass in general.

Much of their free roling is due to using Kadee wheelsets, which have acetel resin axles.  Rolling freedom can be improved by polishing the axlebox bearing and adding a dop of Neolube collodial graphite. One does need to take care not to distort the Kadee axle tips, when inserting or removing. 

John Stutz


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

 

Thanks to everyone for their comments. Much appreciated. I have been looking through EBAY and other dealers. I had thought blackstone looked like potentially the best route for my first locomotive. 

Thanks again.


Re: One More LO&S

asandrini
 

Guess I should proof read what I send.

Dick Truesdale imported the loco.

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: asandrini <asandrini@...>
Date: 12/14/20 2:23 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

If it has a small coupola on the roof, it would be the Alishan (sometimes written as Ali Shan) 20 ton Sh as y. It was imported in 1979 by Dick Trundle of Westside zmodels.  The Shay was offered in HO. HOn3 and HOn30. The shay was offered in unpainted and painted. The lkck came in a wooden, hinged foam-filled box which slid into a black cardstock sleeve.

The Shays was ordered awhile back from PSC as well.

Al



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: Climax@...
Date: 12/14/20 1:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

Was it possibly one of the NWSL small locomotives, or the Alisan?
-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 14, 2020 3:44 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I really don't know the make of this little shay
I've had it for 50 years or more.
I can't remember who the builder was.
Probably got it in the 60's
Hatch

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 6:45 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
Which shay was that?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 13, 2020 8:09 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I had one of the little shays with vertical shaft and once. I worked it to smooth out most friction points  then it ran really well for years ,(20 and counting)


Alishan Shay

asandrini
 

https://images.app.goo.gl/B1MnkEVHLrGBDhRn6

Al


Sent from my Galaxy


Re: One More LO&S

asandrini
 

If it has a small coupola on the roof, it would be the Alishan (sometimes written as Ali Shan) 20 ton Sh as y. It was imported in 1979 by Dick Trundle of Westside zmodels.  The Shay was offered in HO. HOn3 and HOn30. The shay was offered in unpainted and painted. The lkck came in a wooden, hinged foam-filled box which slid into a black cardstock sleeve.

The Shays was ordered awhile back from PSC as well.

Al



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: Climax@...
Date: 12/14/20 1:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

Was it possibly one of the NWSL small locomotives, or the Alisan?
-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 14, 2020 3:44 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I really don't know the make of this little shay
I've had it for 50 years or more.
I can't remember who the builder was.
Probably got it in the 60's
Hatch

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 6:45 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
Which shay was that?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 13, 2020 8:09 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I had one of the little shays with vertical shaft and once. I worked it to smooth out most friction points  then it ran really well for years ,(20 and counting)


Re: One More LO&S

Climax@...
 

Was it possibly one of the NWSL small locomotives, or the Alisan?

-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 14, 2020 3:44 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I really don't know the make of this little shay
I've had it for 50 years or more.
I can't remember who the builder was.
Probably got it in the 60's
Hatch

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 6:45 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
Which shay was that?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 13, 2020 8:09 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I had one of the little shays with vertical shaft and once. I worked it to smooth out most friction points  then it ran really well for years ,(20 and counting)


Re: One More LO&S

StephenHatch
 

I really don't know the make of this little shay
I've had it for 50 years or more.
I can't remember who the builder was.
Probably got it in the 60's
Hatch


On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 6:45 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
Which shay was that?
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: StephenHatch
Sent: Dec 13, 2020 8:09 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] One More LO&S

I had one of the little shays with vertical shaft and once. I worked it to smooth out most friction points  then it ran really well for years ,(20 and counting)


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

martin feldwick
 

Of course there is the old MDC 2-8-0 which are still available on Ebay and make into a decent runner..not a real prototype as such but I am sure has powered up a many a layout O

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:28 PM Wayne <waynewtaylorii@...> wrote:
eBay always has at around 20 HOn3 locomotives for sale at all times.

--
Wayne Taylor


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

duncan
 

Steve,

    Have you checked ebay?  There are also various vendors who have locomotives for sale: Narrow Gauge Colorado, Southwest Narrow Gauge, Whistle Stop and Harris hobbies are four possibilities, but I know there are others.

            Duncan Harvey


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

Mark Lewis
 

Steve, 

I will agree with the above comments regarding what you should spend your money on. Blackstone, although expensive, are first class in all areas. 
The C19 models are solid performers as are the K27's (except for the first production run of K27's which had motor issues and replacement motors are currently unavailable from Blackstone.)

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 12:50 PM martin feldwick <trackpass@...> wrote:
What ever you do dont buy an FED  ,Far Eastern Distributor  ,Spartan series 4-4-0 0r 2-6-0 until you have some brass  experience under your belt .Great little basic models and cheap but hard to get running  well  or even at all unless experienced .They can be tempting .I have just bought two but I am far into the addiction ..Stick to Blackstone at first as above advice
Martin

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:24 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
These days Ebay is best source, here's a search I just did:


LOTS available but not cheap.  I'd recommend the Blackstone C-19 here if you have DCC:


That price is good and this will probably be the best runner you'll find without tinkering.  I'm not sure I'd go much over that price but I haven't been watching the market.  There are a lot of good brass locos out there on Ebay, but if you're not experienced in tuning brass steam I'd steer clear of them at first.

There are other sources for brass that are reputable and who will test a brass loco before selling/sending, and that is VERY important for a first loco.  Others will probably be able to direct you to them, as I'm not in the loco market anymore (I have what I need for now).  Also, recognize that many, if not most, brass locos are NOT DCC-equiped.  That may or may not be an advantage.

Mike Conder

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:11 AM Steven Meyerhoff <sbmeyerhoff@...> wrote:
Hi All

First time posting and glad to be in this group now. I have just started my dual-gauge layout. HO-HOn3. I've got the wood for the layout put together with roadbed and track. I've got it all dcc wired up but I've run into a snag as there seems to be no HOn3 engines available anywhere. Can't really test anything that I've done on the HOn3 track lines.  I am on the lookout for a HOn3 engine. If someone knows of a place where I could find one, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

martin feldwick
 

What ever you do dont buy an FED  ,Far Eastern Distributor  ,Spartan series 4-4-0 0r 2-6-0 until you have some brass  experience under your belt .Great little basic models and cheap but hard to get running  well  or even at all unless experienced .They can be tempting .I have just bought two but I am far into the addiction ..Stick to Blackstone at first as above advice
Martin


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:24 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
These days Ebay is best source, here's a search I just did:


LOTS available but not cheap.  I'd recommend the Blackstone C-19 here if you have DCC:


That price is good and this will probably be the best runner you'll find without tinkering.  I'm not sure I'd go much over that price but I haven't been watching the market.  There are a lot of good brass locos out there on Ebay, but if you're not experienced in tuning brass steam I'd steer clear of them at first.

There are other sources for brass that are reputable and who will test a brass loco before selling/sending, and that is VERY important for a first loco.  Others will probably be able to direct you to them, as I'm not in the loco market anymore (I have what I need for now).  Also, recognize that many, if not most, brass locos are NOT DCC-equiped.  That may or may not be an advantage.

Mike Conder

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:11 AM Steven Meyerhoff <sbmeyerhoff@...> wrote:
Hi All

First time posting and glad to be in this group now. I have just started my dual-gauge layout. HO-HOn3. I've got the wood for the layout put together with roadbed and track. I've got it all dcc wired up but I've run into a snag as there seems to be no HOn3 engines available anywhere. Can't really test anything that I've done on the HOn3 track lines.  I am on the lookout for a HOn3 engine. If someone knows of a place where I could find one, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

Wayne
 

eBay always has at around 20 HOn3 locomotives for sale at all times.

--
Wayne Taylor


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

Mike Conder
 

These days Ebay is best source, here's a search I just did:


LOTS available but not cheap.  I'd recommend the Blackstone C-19 here if you have DCC:


That price is good and this will probably be the best runner you'll find without tinkering.  I'm not sure I'd go much over that price but I haven't been watching the market.  There are a lot of good brass locos out there on Ebay, but if you're not experienced in tuning brass steam I'd steer clear of them at first.

There are other sources for brass that are reputable and who will test a brass loco before selling/sending, and that is VERY important for a first loco.  Others will probably be able to direct you to them, as I'm not in the loco market anymore (I have what I need for now).  Also, recognize that many, if not most, brass locos are NOT DCC-equiped.  That may or may not be an advantage.

Mike Conder

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:11 AM Steven Meyerhoff <sbmeyerhoff@...> wrote:
Hi All

First time posting and glad to be in this group now. I have just started my dual-gauge layout. HO-HOn3. I've got the wood for the layout put together with roadbed and track. I've got it all dcc wired up but I've run into a snag as there seems to be no HOn3 engines available anywhere. Can't really test anything that I've done on the HOn3 track lines.  I am on the lookout for a HOn3 engine. If someone knows of a place where I could find one, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve


Re: looking for an HOn3 locomotive

Eric Schrowang
 

Steve, I was just on EBay and found multiple listings.

Eric

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 12:12 Steven Meyerhoff <sbmeyerhoff@...> wrote:
Hi All

First time posting and glad to be in this group now. I have just started my dual-gauge layout. HO-HOn3. I've got the wood for the layout put together with roadbed and track. I've got it all dcc wired up but I've run into a snag as there seems to be no HOn3 engines available anywhere. Can't really test anything that I've done on the HOn3 track lines.  I am on the lookout for a HOn3 engine. If someone knows of a place where I could find one, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve


looking for an HOn3 locomotive

 

Hi All

First time posting and glad to be in this group now. I have just started my dual-gauge layout. HO-HOn3. I've got the wood for the layout put together with roadbed and track. I've got it all dcc wired up but I've run into a snag as there seems to be no HOn3 engines available anywhere. Can't really test anything that I've done on the HOn3 track lines.  I am on the lookout for a HOn3 engine. If someone knows of a place where I could find one, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Steve


Re: 16 photos uploaded #photo-notice

Mark Lewis
 

Russ,

Thanks for posting those photos!
There are some amazing historical documentations in most of them.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


16 photos uploaded #photo-notice

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