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Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bodo Rasler
 

Ric,

 

do you have these BLACKSTONE trucks:

B370106

3' 7" Arch Bar Caboose Trucks, Pair, Caboose Red

 

3-foot 7-inch arch bar caboose truck

Or do you mean these (They are NOT CABOOSE trucks!):

B370103

3' 7" Arch Bar Trucks, Pair, Black

B370104

3' 7" Arch Bar Trucks, Pair, Boxcar Red

 

3-foot 7-inch arch bar truck

 

 

or do you refer to the Western Rail trucks?

 

If you have black and brown trucks, they are probably B370103 / 104 since the CABOOSE trucks only came in caboose red.

 

Let me know what you have.

 

Thanks

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ric Case
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 14:48
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Body I have at least 50 pair very slightly used ! I just removed them from some scratch built hoppers! 

I have black and brown!

Ric Case 

EBT Modeler 

Hamilton Ohio 

1-513-375-7694



On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bodo Rasler
 

Thanks Mark,

 

they look a bit ‚rough‘ – have you had them in your hands?

 

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 15:59
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Bodo,

 

Here is Western Rails website.....

 

And here is the link to the truck set you are looking for....

 

mARK lEWIS

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:52 AM Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:

Mark,

 

I found ‘Western Rails’ on the shapeway page but nowhere else. And there no 3' 7" archbar trucks – only McCord Trucks HOn3.

 

Do you have a link to D&RGW 3' 7" archbar trucks by  Western Rails?

 

Thanks

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 14:16
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Mark Lewis
 

Bodo,

Here is Western Rails website.....

And here is the link to the truck set you are looking for....

mARK lEWIS

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:52 AM Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:

Mark,

 

I found ‘Western Rails’ on the shapeway page but nowhere else. And there no 3' 7" archbar trucks – only McCord Trucks HOn3.

 

Do you have a link to D&RGW 3' 7" archbar trucks by  Western Rails?

 

Thanks

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 14:16
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bodo Rasler
 

Mark,

 

I found ‘Western Rails’ on the shapeway page but nowhere else. And there no 3' 7" archbar trucks – only McCord Trucks HOn3.

 

Do you have a link to D&RGW 3' 7" archbar trucks by  Western Rails?

 

Thanks

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 14:16
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bodo Rasler
 

John,

 

thanks – the Kadee don’t have the brake-shoes and PSC is in the hands of a new owner and they seemingly don’ know what to do!

Precision Scale HOn3 #3025.1 Trucks are brass which I don’t like – also no brake-shoes.

 

Thanks

Bodo

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Stutz
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 08:34
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

 

Bodo

 

If you cannot obtain the Blackstone version of the D&RGW's standard 3' gauge freight car truck, other versions are available from both Kadee < ">https://www.kadee.com/truck.htm> (#716 & 720), and Precision Scale Models < ">https://www.precisionscaleco.com/> (#3025, 3025-1, 31902).

Some assembly required, for all but PSC's 3025-1.

 

John Stutz

On October 19, 2020 4:14 PM Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi,

does anyone have those for sale or knows a dealer who has / might have still some stock?

Thanks
Bodo Rasler
Berlin / Germany


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bruce Bowie
 

All,

I just purchased two pair of EBT Vulcan trucks with Kadee wheelsets from Western Rails.

They are very nicely done and IMHO the price is reasonable in today's climate.

I don't know about their other trucks but the Vulcans 🖖are nice.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 8:48 AM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Body I have at least 50 pair very slightly used ! I just removed them from some scratch built hoppers! 
I have black and brown!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Ric Case
 

Body I have at least 50 pair very slightly used ! I just removed them from some scratch built hoppers! 
I have black and brown!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Mark Lewis
 

Bodo,

Another source of D&RGW 3' 7" archbat trucks is  Western Rails, who produces a 3D printed version.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

John Stutz
 

Bodo

If you cannot obtain the Blackstone version of the D&RGW's standard 3' gauge freight car truck, other versions are available from both Kadee < ">https://www.kadee.com/truck.htm> (#716 & 720), and Precision Scale Models < ">https://www.precisionscaleco.com/> (#3025, 3025-1, 31902).
Some assembly required, for all but PSC's 3025-1.

John Stutz

On October 19, 2020 4:14 PM Bodo Rasler <raslerb@...> wrote:


Hi,

does anyone have those for sale or knows a dealer who has / might have still some stock?

Thanks
Bodo Rasler
Berlin / Germany


BLACKSTONE B370 106 - HOn3 - 3'7" Arch Bar Trucks

Bodo Rasler
 

Hi,

does anyone have those for sale or knows a dealer who has / might have still some stock?

Thanks
Bodo Rasler
Berlin / Germany


Sold or pending sale: More Books For Sale

Joseph Melhorn
 

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The Modelling Guide for Rust and Oxidation by Jari Hemilä

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Thanks,

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Sahuarita, AZ  85629

 


Re: Staining ties

Lee Gustafson
 

Alcohol evaporates and it also absorbs water, ambient humidity, the combination of those actions along with wood drying out reduces the effectiveness of the stain. The remedies soak the wood in some water, make a stronger stain with 91% alcohol and more dye.

Lee Gustafson

On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@cox.net> wrote:

I don’t have a clue what is going on, but I use 91% isopropyl alcohol and shoe leather dye. I just recently stained some ties I’ve had for over 40 years and they stained just fine. I also stained some old Kappler ties that may have been 20 or 30 years old (I can’t remember when I got them) and they stained fine as well. If you used 70% alcohol, it is not inconceivable that at least part of the alcohol has evaporated out and water isn’t as good a carrier as alcohol, IMHO. I think I would mix up a whole new batch of stain. The materials are cheap.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net> wrote:

I've got a large quantity (10,000) of Kappler ties that are now about a year and maybe a half old (stored in a plastic bag, in a climate controlled basement) that I've been using Mike Chambers' (https://www.rustystumps.com/RSSMDownloads/Inking%20Stripwood.pdf) simplest recipe to stain (in batches of 1,000 to 1,500 as I need them). The first batch I did soon after I received them from Kappler stained well and quickly using the 70% alcohol/black ink mixture. The batch I'm doing now using the same stain (not a new batch) I've left overnight and they haven't shown much change. I even drained the liquid off, added more ink to the mix and poured it back in before letting them sit overnight, but this morning it seems to have barely touched the ties.

Is it possible the alcohol has lost its potency in the intervening time? Or could the ties have changed their characteristics in a year and a half of sitting?

Some Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Lugg









Re: Staining ties

Jim Marlett
 

I don’t have a clue what is going on, but I use 91% isopropyl alcohol and shoe leather dye. I just recently stained some ties I’ve had for over 40 years and they stained just fine. I also stained some old Kappler ties that may have been 20 or 30 years old (I can’t remember when I got them) and they stained fine as well. If you used 70% alcohol, it is not inconceivable that at least part of the alcohol has evaporated out and water isn’t as good a carrier as alcohol, IMHO. I think I would mix up a whole new batch of stain. The materials are cheap.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/

On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net> wrote:

I've got a large quantity (10,000) of Kappler ties that are now about a year and maybe a half old (stored in a plastic bag, in a climate controlled basement) that I've been using Mike Chambers' (https://www.rustystumps.com/RSSMDownloads/Inking%20Stripwood.pdf) simplest recipe to stain (in batches of 1,000 to 1,500 as I need them). The first batch I did soon after I received them from Kappler stained well and quickly using the 70% alcohol/black ink mixture. The batch I'm doing now using the same stain (not a new batch) I've left overnight and they haven't shown much change. I even drained the liquid off, added more ink to the mix and poured it back in before letting them sit overnight, but this morning it seems to have barely touched the ties.

Is it possible the alcohol has lost its potency in the intervening time? Or could the ties have changed their characteristics in a year and a half of sitting?

Some Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Lugg





Re: Staining ties

Ric Case
 

Bill you will find that the ties will dry out and harden! This happens to most woods as they cure! This can be corrected some times by soaking the ties in a water alcohol mixture this will sometimes increase absorption!
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694

On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:46 AM, John G Massura <jmassura@longjohnonline.org> wrote:

Bill,

I have some stain that is 40+ years old - shoe dye in denatured alcohol. Still works fine. When the solution evaporates some, I add more alcohol.

John Massura

On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:13, Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net> wrote:

I've got a large quantity (10,000) of Kappler ties that are now about a year and maybe a half old (stored in a plastic bag, in a climate controlled basement) that I've been using Mike Chambers' (https://www.rustystumps.com/RSSMDownloads/Inking%20Stripwood.pdf) simplest recipe to stain (in batches of 1,000 to 1,500 as I need them). The first batch I did soon after I received them from Kappler stained well and quickly using the 70% alcohol/black ink mixture. The batch I'm doing now using the same stain (not a new batch) I've left overnight and they haven't shown much change. I even drained the liquid off, added more ink to the mix and poured it back in before letting them sit overnight, but this morning it seems to have barely touched the ties.

Is it possible the alcohol has lost its potency in the intervening time? Or could the ties have changed their characteristics in a year and a half of sitting?

Some Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Lugg









Re: Staining ties

John G Massura
 

Bill,

I have some stain that is 40+ years old - shoe dye in denatured alcohol. Still works fine. When the solution evaporates some, I add more alcohol.

John Massura

On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:13, Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net> wrote:

I've got a large quantity (10,000) of Kappler ties that are now about a year and maybe a half old (stored in a plastic bag, in a climate controlled basement) that I've been using Mike Chambers' (https://www.rustystumps.com/RSSMDownloads/Inking%20Stripwood.pdf) simplest recipe to stain (in batches of 1,000 to 1,500 as I need them). The first batch I did soon after I received them from Kappler stained well and quickly using the 70% alcohol/black ink mixture. The batch I'm doing now using the same stain (not a new batch) I've left overnight and they haven't shown much change. I even drained the liquid off, added more ink to the mix and poured it back in before letting them sit overnight, but this morning it seems to have barely touched the ties.

Is it possible the alcohol has lost its potency in the intervening time? Or could the ties have changed their characteristics in a year and a half of sitting?

Some Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Lugg





Staining ties

Bill Lugg
 

I've got a large quantity (10,000) of Kappler ties that are now about a year and maybe a half old (stored in a plastic bag, in a climate controlled basement) that I've been using Mike Chambers' (https://www.rustystumps.com/RSSMDownloads/Inking%20Stripwood.pdf) simplest recipe to stain (in batches of 1,000 to 1,500 as I need them).  The first batch I did soon after I received them from Kappler stained well and quickly using the 70% alcohol/black ink mixture.  The batch I'm doing now using the same stain (not a new batch) I've left overnight and they haven't shown much change.  I even drained the liquid off, added more ink to the mix and poured it back in before letting them sit overnight, but this morning it seems to have barely touched the ties.

Is it possible the alcohol has lost its potency in the intervening time?  Or could the ties have changed their characteristics in a year and a half of sitting?

Some Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Lugg


Re: Truck screws for Con-Cor HOn3 Goose

LARRY KLOSE
 

If made in Asia It’s almost certainly metric.  And if it’s not a sheet metal type screw, an SAE thread is probably going to strip the threads.  Whether that makes a difference is up to the user.

 

Seems like a lot of agony for a rather simple issue… .

 

Larry


Re: Truck screws for Con-Cor HOn3 Goose

sdynamosj
 

Thanks everyone for the information. I’ll get to work!


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Joseph Melhorn
 

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Re: Truck screws for Con-Cor HOn3 Goose

Bruce Bowie
 

Based on the parts list I would go with metric.  But if all I had was a 1-72 I would use it.  At those very small sizes there is not much difference, especially when you add/subtract the tolerances.


On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 4:41 PM Bruce Bowie <buybruce@...> wrote:
I took mine out and screwed it into a Screw Checkr.  No resistance whatever.  I don't have any metric screws or Screw Checkr to compare.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:14 PM Mark Kasprowicz <mark@...> wrote:
I'd go along with Bruce. I measured mine over the thread as 1.8mm while the exploded diagram here;

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/50519264/ho-pierce-arrrow-goosepdf-con-cor

lists it as M1.7. So it's a Metric thread not an Imperial one but then again so are the threads used in brass.

Mark K

1841 - 1860 of 8422