Re: My string of sausages
Hollingsworth,
It's good to see that I'm not alone. I had a dozen pair of trucks that i put on the 'problem children' of rolling stock, so I'm not even close. Ken is not close either with two Blackstone C-19's. jefe
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Re: My string of sausages
Ken Martin
I have no Blackstone rolling stock, but I did buy a couple of C-19’s and then put beartraps on them as I model C&S.
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Ken Martin
On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Jeff Reynolds <jefe4x4@...> wrote:
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Re: conoco tank cars
Ken Martin
Years ago I took a resin casting of the CONX 8 tank and mounted it on a Scotia Scale flat and made it no 5. I still run it even though I have a Tomalco kit for 5 with a brass tank.
When MDC came out with the tank car lettered CONX 6 I took it and built a “wide” frame. This was before the RRob books came out. Both still run well on the club layout and no one has called me out on them. Ken Martin
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Re: conoco tank cars
Mark Lewis
Rob,
That WP car looks great and does not overpower the BS tank car in a consist. Perfect fodder for a freelance HOn3 modeler. Mark Lewis Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.
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Re: conoco tank cars
Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...>
Nice Rob! The variation of tank cars sizes works well for White Pass consists. Your photos prove my point in a around about way too. If your P2K type 21 was alone or with other type 21 cars. No one would know it is not a 6000 gallon car like the UTLX narrow frame cars or a 6500 gallon car like the CONOCO wide frame cars. I talked to a friend about the CONOCO cars over the weekend. I consider him one of the most knowledgeable persons on narrow gauge tank cars after Dave Grandt, the late Dave Garcia, Stan Schwedler and John Stutz. Dave Grandt found a data sheet on the CONOCO cars. The wide frame cars were built by General American not the Rio Grande in Alamosa as Sloan says in his book. My friend says the cars were built with wide frames to accommodate standard gauge trucks. He and I and Dave Garcia agreed that they probably rolled into Alamosa on standard gauge trucks. Where the Grande switched them out to narrow gauge ones. There does not seem to be any historical paperwork to prove that the new trucks came from the defunct Ingoldsby coal gons. Only that the Ingoldsby trucks were rated for a higher tonnage than the D&RG 3’7” trucks and they look the same as the Ingoldsby trucks. That and the fact that the Grande never seemed to throw any narrow gauge trucks away. Dale Buxton
Dale,
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Re: My string of sausages
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 07:48 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:
Don,Jeff, you aren't the only one at all. My stuff does have a single pair of Blackstone trucks- and those are on an MDC tank conversion that Bob Veefkind gifted me some time back.
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Mark Rosche
@Dave: had that happen (crinkling) when the oils were not completely cured...
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I should have mentioned „Do NOT use an acrylic based matte clear coat over the oils...that is a disaster waiting to happen as the varnish beads on the oil paint“...Testors Dullcoat is your friend over oils (If you can still get it)...also, Abteilung has a matte effect thinner available that really flattens down the oils... Regards, Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....
On 3. Aug 2020, at 17:51, "Climax@..." <Climax@... wrote:
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Re: conoco tank cars
Robert Bell
Dale,
Some years ago I built one of the P2K type 21 8000 gal cars and put it on a pair of Grandt Line Hon3 Bettendorf trucks. I have since changed out the trucks to MTL Bettendorfs. It is a large tanker, but not as big as others used by the White Pass. The photos show the P2K (#47) with a coup,e of BS narrow framers and a converted Athearn 10K tanker that I am not done with. Rob Bell Modeling the WP&YR in
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Climax@...
I know very well from experiences that some applications turn out really great on models, but then again I have had some disasters. I think my biggest was when I was almost finished and applied a clear coat over it and the paint just crinkled up into a huge mess that I had to completely strip and start over. I think all of use probably have had that happen at least once followed by things we probably should not have said. Dave
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Mark Rosche
forgot to add the pics (albeit in Sn3)...
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Regards, Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....
On 3. Aug 2020, at 16:42, Lee Gustafson via groups.io <bagustaf@...> wrote:
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Mark Rosche
I have been experimenting with the Abteilung oils and I find them very forgiving (once the acrylic base has been cured completely). As they are slow drying, one can correct „mistakes“ for quite a while with some „odorless thinner“...once you get everything exactly as you want it, clear matte lacquer coat it and you are done 😁👍🏻
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Regards, Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....
On 3. Aug 2020, at 16:42, Lee Gustafson via groups.io <bagustaf@...> wrote:
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Re: My string of sausages
Don,
It has been a long time since I've seen your work in pix. You have saved me a lot of time with your cross index of photos, which btw, is a never ending string of sausage pulls. Seeing all the Blackstone rolling stock reminds me that I may be the only one on the planet who has no Blackstone rolling stock or motive power of any kind. I just missed the whole Blackstone episode. I have a dozen or so Blackstone freight trucks which are the best. I've given away most of my brass cars so only plastic and wood rolling stock remains. Some plastic tank cars:
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Lee Gustafson
FWIW, not to high jack the thread or this narrow gauge group, I suggest that you Google military modelers sites as the use of oil paints for weathering is quite common. The use of dis-similar types of paints, i.e. acrylics as a base paint and oils as the weathering paints, is the basis for the technique. Oil based paints are relatively slow drying and once acrylics have cured the oil based paints do not attack the acrylics. As always a learning curve is present and practice on something other than an expensive brass locomotive or a prized scratch built model is advised. Best wishes.
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On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
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Re: My string of sausages
Don Bergman
Bob,
I used whatever frame came with the tank.
Don
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Re: My string of sausages
Robert Veefkind
In a message dated 8/2/2020 8:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, DBRenegade@... writes:
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
Jim Marlett
As I understand it, Abteilung is a brand of high quality oil paints designed for modeling. What this means is that any tutorial on weathering with oil paints will show you how to use them. I would do a search for weathering with oil paints. Same with acrylics.
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Do a web search for each technique. Then if you want, click the images button related to both searches and you will get plenty of up close images. There are a ton of them out there. It seems to me that the extra pay video sites like Train Master TV and MR Video Plus have had tutorials on weathering with both acrylics and oils. I don’t think I would subscribe just for those topics, but if you already subscribe to these services, then you might see if my old man memory is correct.
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Re: My string of sausages
Hi Don!
You inspire me to confess my age as 78 modeling 1878 SPCRR…..SO MUCH FUN !!
Steen
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Going along with that, I am 73 now so I as scratch building back in the 60's. One habit I got into was with an ink pen or Sharpy I would write the date I built any structure and some cars, on the bottom before I put it on my layout. Sometimes its interesting to pick up a structure and turn it over, then think back. It brings a lot of memories back and isn't that the whole purpose of life, making memories?
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Re: My string of sausages
Climax@...
Going along with that, I am 73 now so I as scratch building back in the 60's. One habit I got into was with an ink pen or Sharpy I would write the date I built any structure and some cars, on the bottom before I put it on my layout. Sometimes its interesting to pick up a structure and turn it over, then think back. It brings a lot of memories back and isn't that the whole purpose of life, making memories?
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Re: My string of sausages
gnorwood6 gnorwood6
Don,
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The only obvious thing is the slightly clunky hand rail posts. Quite acceptable from my point of view. Like the comment about your bridge 45B. That is a very good reason to justify being included on the layout. Attached is one photo of my layout with part of my very short high line. Regards, Gary
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Re: Abteilung weathering.
I realize I'm late to this discussion! I just recently watched the amazing video that sparked such a firestorm of interest. One of the things that was frustrating about the video was a lack of close ups on the finished models! So that leads me to my first question.
1) Is there a gallery of photos somewhere that show these gorgeous models somewhere? 2) Has anyone attempted this process with acrylics? I'm guessing that watering down the pigments in acrylics just won't leave the same effect on the model? Or is there another more sinister reason not to use acrylics on brass? I have yet to paint a brass model which is the whole reason I stumbled on to the video, I have a project 2-8-0 consolidated that I will be starting soon and I'm researching both painting and working on brass models. There is not a lot out there in the how-to videos on painting brass. ~Dennis
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