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Re: Abteilung weathering.

Lee Gustafson
 

FWIW, not to high jack the thread or this narrow gauge group, I suggest that you Google military modelers sites as the use of oil paints for weathering is quite common. The use of dis-similar types of paints, i.e. acrylics as a base paint and oils as the weathering paints, is the basis for the technique. Oil based paints are relatively slow drying and once acrylics have cured the oil based paints do not attack the acrylics. As always a learning curve is present and practice on something other than an expensive brass locomotive or a prized scratch built model is advised. Best wishes.

Lee Gustafson 


On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:

As I understand it, Abteilung is a brand of high quality oil paints designed for modeling. What this means is that any tutorial on weathering with oil paints will show you how to use them. I would do a search for weathering with oil paints. Same with acrylics.

Do a web search for each technique. Then if you want, click the images button related to both searches and you will get plenty of up close images. There are a ton of them out there.

It seems to me that the extra pay video sites like Train Master TV and MR Video Plus have had tutorials on weathering with both acrylics and oils. I don’t think I would subscribe just for those topics, but if you already subscribe to these services, then you might see if my old man memory is correct.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dennis Carrell via groups.io <dennis.carrell@...> wrote:

I realize I'm late to this discussion!  I just recently watched the amazing video that sparked such a firestorm of interest. One of the things that was frustrating about the video was a lack of close ups on the finished models!  So that leads me to my first question. 

1)  Is there a gallery of photos somewhere that show these gorgeous models somewhere?

2)  Has anyone attempted this process with acrylics?  I'm guessing that watering down the pigments in acrylics just won't leave the same effect on the model?  Or is there another more sinister reason not to use acrylics on brass? 

I have yet to paint a brass model which is the whole reason I stumbled on to the video, I have a project 2-8-0 consolidated that I will be starting soon and I'm researching both painting and working on brass models.  There is not a lot out there in the how-to videos on painting brass.

~Dennis


Re: My string of sausages

Don Bergman
 

Bob,

I used whatever frame came with the tank. 

Don

Don, are your MDC tanks made into the frameless? I made up a string of those some time ago using the PSC bolster and they turn out fairly well. I was hoping to somehow use the MDC frame for the narrow frame tanks. The utlx frames are much wider (about 4') than the MDC frames (about 2'). The closest I can find are the old COLX as shown in Grandts pictorial. The MDC frames mill down fairly well but lots of work and not practical for most modelers. Again -not looking for a contest model. I am working on a proto 2000 8,000 gallon tank that can be made into Conoco # 44 with some modifications .     Bob Veefkind 


Re: My string of sausages

Robert Veefkind
 

 
 
In a message dated 8/2/2020 8:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, DBRenegade@... writes:
 
 
The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.
 
Don, are your MDC tanks made into the frameless? I made up a string of those some time ago using the PSC bolster and they turn out fairly well. I was hoping to somehow use the MDC frame for the narrow frame tanks. The utlx frames are much wider (about 4') than the MDC frames (about 2'). The closest I can find are the old COLX as shown in Grandts pictorial. The MDC frames mill down fairly well but lots of work and not practical for most modelers. Again -not looking for a contest model. I am working on a proto 2000 8,000 gallon tank that can be made into Conoco # 44 with some modifications .     Bob Veefkind 
 
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Re: Abteilung weathering.

Jim Marlett
 

As I understand it, Abteilung is a brand of high quality oil paints designed for modeling. What this means is that any tutorial on weathering with oil paints will show you how to use them. I would do a search for weathering with oil paints. Same with acrylics.

Do a web search for each technique. Then if you want, click the images button related to both searches and you will get plenty of up close images. There are a ton of them out there.

It seems to me that the extra pay video sites like Train Master TV and MR Video Plus have had tutorials on weathering with both acrylics and oils. I don’t think I would subscribe just for those topics, but if you already subscribe to these services, then you might see if my old man memory is correct.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dennis Carrell via groups.io <dennis.carrell@...> wrote:

I realize I'm late to this discussion!  I just recently watched the amazing video that sparked such a firestorm of interest. One of the things that was frustrating about the video was a lack of close ups on the finished models!  So that leads me to my first question. 

1)  Is there a gallery of photos somewhere that show these gorgeous models somewhere?

2)  Has anyone attempted this process with acrylics?  I'm guessing that watering down the pigments in acrylics just won't leave the same effect on the model?  Or is there another more sinister reason not to use acrylics on brass? 

I have yet to paint a brass model which is the whole reason I stumbled on to the video, I have a project 2-8-0 consolidated that I will be starting soon and I'm researching both painting and working on brass models.  There is not a lot out there in the how-to videos on painting brass.

~Dennis


Re: My string of sausages

Steen Mortensen
 

Hi Don!

 

You inspire  me to confess my age as 78 modeling 1878 SPCRR…..SO MUCH FUN !!

 

Steen

 

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From: Climax@...
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 9:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] My string of sausages

 

Going along with that, I am 73 now so I as scratch building back in the 60's.  One habit I got into was with an ink pen or Sharpy I would write the date I built any structure and some cars, on the bottom before I put it on my layout.  Sometimes its interesting to pick up a structure and turn it over, then think back.  It brings a lot of memories back and isn't that the whole purpose of life, making memories?

-----Original Message-----
From: gnorwood6 gnorwood6
Sent: Aug 2, 2020 10:06 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Don,

The only obvious thing is the slightly clunky hand rail posts. Quite acceptable from my point of view.

Like the comment about your bridge 45B. That is a very good reason to justify being included on the layout.

Attached is one photo of my layout with part of my very short high line.

Regards,

Gary

 



------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Bergman" <DBRenegade@...>
To: "HOn3@groups.io" <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 3 Aug, 2020 At 10:45 AM
Subject: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Attached find several photos of my string of tankers.  One kit, 1 brass, 3  MDC, and the rest  are Blackstone.  Look at the first 2 photos and pick out the 3 MDC.  They are different but back when I purchased them there were not many low-cost options.  No visitor  has noted the difference.   I am sure those paying attention to NG tank cars will note the difference.  However, not big enough for me to keep them off the layout.

 

The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.

 

The first photo shows Peak at the bottom, Anderson loop on the right, Ames tank in the middle and Trout Lake Tank on the top.

The Second shows looking over Ophir 45-A to Bridges 44-A, 46-B, C, & F

Bridge 46-B is not RGS prototypical but I built that deck truss bridge from Model Railroader plans when in High School, so it stays on the layout!  🙂

 

Don Bergman

 

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Re: My string of sausages

Climax@...
 

Going along with that, I am 73 now so I as scratch building back in the 60's.  One habit I got into was with an ink pen or Sharpy I would write the date I built any structure and some cars, on the bottom before I put it on my layout.  Sometimes its interesting to pick up a structure and turn it over, then think back.  It brings a lot of memories back and isn't that the whole purpose of life, making memories?

-----Original Message-----
From: gnorwood6 gnorwood6
Sent: Aug 2, 2020 10:06 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Don,
The only obvious thing is the slightly clunky hand rail posts. Quite acceptable from my point of view.
Like the comment about your bridge 45B. That is a very good reason to justify being included on the layout.
Attached is one photo of my layout with part of my very short high line.
Regards,
Gary




------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Bergman" <DBRenegade@...>
To: "HOn3@groups.io" <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 3 Aug, 2020 At 10:45 AM
Subject: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Attached find several photos of my string of tankers.  One kit, 1 brass, 3  MDC, and the rest  are Blackstone.  Look at the first 2 photos and pick out the 3 MDC.  They are different but back when I purchased them there were not many low-cost options.  No visitor  has noted the difference.   I am sure those paying attention to NG tank cars will note the difference.  However, not big enough for me to keep them off the layout.

The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.

The first photo shows Peak at the bottom, Anderson loop on the right, Ames tank in the middle and Trout Lake Tank on the top.
The Second shows looking over Ophir 45-A to Bridges 44-A, 46-B, C, & F
Bridge 46-B is not RGS prototypical but I built that deck truss bridge from Model Railroader plans when in High School, so it stays on the layout!  🙂

Don Bergman

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Re: My string of sausages

gnorwood6 gnorwood6
 

Don,
The only obvious thing is the slightly clunky hand rail posts. Quite acceptable from my point of view.
Like the comment about your bridge 45B. That is a very good reason to justify being included on the layout.
Attached is one photo of my layout with part of my very short high line.
Regards,
Gary




------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Bergman" <DBRenegade@...>
To: "HOn3@groups.io" <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 3 Aug, 2020 At 10:45 AM
Subject: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Attached find several photos of my string of tankers.  One kit, 1 brass, 3  MDC, and the rest  are Blackstone.  Look at the first 2 photos and pick out the 3 MDC.  They are different but back when I purchased them there were not many low-cost options.  No visitor  has noted the difference.   I am sure those paying attention to NG tank cars will note the difference.  However, not big enough for me to keep them off the layout.

The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.

The first photo shows Peak at the bottom, Anderson loop on the right, Ames tank in the middle and Trout Lake Tank on the top.
The Second shows looking over Ophir 45-A to Bridges 44-A, 46-B, C, & F
Bridge 46-B is not RGS prototypical but I built that deck truss bridge from Model Railroader plans when in High School, so it stays on the layout!  🙂

Don Bergman

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Re: Abteilung weathering.

Dennis Carrell
 

I realize I'm late to this discussion!  I just recently watched the amazing video that sparked such a firestorm of interest. One of the things that was frustrating about the video was a lack of close ups on the finished models!  So that leads me to my first question. 

1)  Is there a gallery of photos somewhere that show these gorgeous models somewhere?

2)  Has anyone attempted this process with acrylics?  I'm guessing that watering down the pigments in acrylics just won't leave the same effect on the model?  Or is there another more sinister reason not to use acrylics on brass? 

I have yet to paint a brass model which is the whole reason I stumbled on to the video, I have a project 2-8-0 consolidated that I will be starting soon and I'm researching both painting and working on brass models.  There is not a lot out there in the how-to videos on painting brass.

~Dennis


Re: My string of sausages

asandrini
 

Here are my string of sausages.

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Don Bergman <DBRenegade@...>
Date: 8/2/20 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] My string of sausages

Attached find several photos of my string of tankers.  One kit, 1 brass, 3  MDC, and the rest  are Blackstone.  Look at the first 2 photos and pick out the 3 MDC.  They are different but back when I purchased them there were not many low-cost options.  No visitor has noted the difference.   I am sure those paying attention to NG tank cars will note the difference.  However, not big enough for me to keep them off the layout.

The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.

The first photo shows Peak at the bottom, Anderson loop on the right, Ames tank in the middle and Trout Lake Tank on the top.
The Second shows looking over Ophir 45-A to Bridges 44-A, 46-B, C, & F
Bridge 46-B is not RGS prototypical but I built that deck truss bridge from Model Railroader plans when in High School, so it stays on the layout!  🙂

Don Bergman

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My string of sausages

Don Bergman
 

Attached find several photos of my string of tankers.  One kit, 1 brass, 3  MDC, and the rest  are Blackstone.  Look at the first 2 photos and pick out the 3 MDC.  They are different but back when I purchased them there were not many low-cost options.  No visitor has noted the difference.   I am sure those paying attention to NG tank cars will note the difference.  However, not big enough for me to keep them off the layout.

The next photo shows the difference.  MDC on the right.  See below for the 3 in the string.

The first photo shows Peak at the bottom, Anderson loop on the right, Ames tank in the middle and Trout Lake Tank on the top.
The Second shows looking over Ophir 45-A to Bridges 44-A, 46-B, C, & F
Bridge 46-B is not RGS prototypical but I built that deck truss bridge from Model Railroader plans when in High School, so it stays on the layout!  🙂

Don Bergman

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Re: conoco tank cars

p. f. hollingsworth
 

Some years back, Bob Veefkind gifted me a car he'd made up from an MDC kit. It was built along the lines of the frameless cars. I ran it over time, now and again because I like the car and it performs quite well. Well, except the N coiuplers are harder to pick free from  my HOn3 ones. I didn't run it continually, since I try to remain true to my C&S prototype.
Anyhow, I just thought I'd toss that out here in case a few might like to go in that direction with these kits.
I built a CONX 8, starting with a Precision Scale Gramps car- by the time I modified the tank, built a whole frame according to Brunk, and got it painted- the Division Point tank car avalance showed up on the market. Sorta my luck. 


Small Ore Bins - Berkshire Valley Models

richrands
 

We are releasing two new laser cut kits in HO scale. Both are small ore bins. #2015 includes mine track trestle with Code 40 rail. #2016 includes a truck ramp for unloading ore into the bin before it is loaded into freight cars.
See more at: https://www.berkshirevalleymodels.com/apps/webstore/

 


Re: Hon3 sale

sydney schofield
 

Will do.  Since we're three hours behind you and it's 8:00 PM PDT now, I'll wait until tomorrow evening (Friday) to call, about 7:00 PM your time (4:00 PM PDT).

Alternatively, my phone is 425-235-4911.

Thanks.

Syd

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 4:50:04 PM PDT, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:


Syd contact me I have one In the basement! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 30, 2020, at 7:01 PM, sydney schofield via groups.io <sydrs@...> wrote:


I'm looking for a HOn3 NWSL power kit for the un-powered Keystone Shay.  I have a NWSL HO power kit but rather than shorten the axles and the truck bolsters, it would be easier to use an original.  Plus I can use the HO unit in a second Keystone Shay that I acquired with the HO power kit (both still un-assembled).  BTW the un-powered Keystone kits are identical except for the axles and truck bolsters.

Syd

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 8:45:29 AM PDT, TED via groups.io <mecu18b@...> wrote:


All sold, thank you.


Re: Hon3 sale

Ric Case
 

Syd contact me I have one In the basement! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Jul 30, 2020, at 7:01 PM, sydney schofield via groups.io <sydrs@...> wrote:


I'm looking for a HOn3 NWSL power kit for the un-powered Keystone Shay.  I have a NWSL HO power kit but rather than shorten the axles and the truck bolsters, it would be easier to use an original.  Plus I can use the HO unit in a second Keystone Shay that I acquired with the HO power kit (both still un-assembled).  BTW the un-powered Keystone kits are identical except for the axles and truck bolsters.

Syd

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 8:45:29 AM PDT, TED via groups.io <mecu18b@...> wrote:


All sold, thank you.


Re: Hon3 sale

sydney schofield
 

I'm looking for a HOn3 NWSL power kit for the un-powered Keystone Shay.  I have a NWSL HO power kit but rather than shorten the axles and the truck bolsters, it would be easier to use an original.  Plus I can use the HO unit in a second Keystone Shay that I acquired with the HO power kit (both still un-assembled).  BTW the un-powered Keystone kits are identical except for the axles and truck bolsters.

Syd

On Thursday, July 30, 2020, 8:45:29 AM PDT, TED via groups.io <mecu18b@...> wrote:


All sold, thank you.


Re: Hon3 sale

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

All sold, thank you.


Re: Hon3 sale

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

Blackstone caboose and tank sold.


Re: Hon3 sale

silent_11111
 

I’ll take the Caboose for sure and I’ll look at the others. Direct email to follow 


On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:14 PM, TED via groups.io <MECU18B@...> wrote:

Hey All....
I need to thin out my collection
For Sale....
C&BT east broad top steel hoppers    $30 each ...7 available
Rail line D&RGW idler flats                 $15 each ....3 available
F&C EBT 800 series Hoppers             $20 each....3 available
F&C  EBT Steel flatcar             (2pk)     $25
F&C EBT  Steel flatcar                          $15
Blackstone long caboose #0505           $40
Blackstone UTLX frameless tank car   $40
 
Figure $5 postage im guessing. 

Contact me off list

Mecu18b@...


Hon3 sale

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

Hey All....
I need to thin out my collection
For Sale....
C&BT east broad top steel hoppers    $30 each ...7 available
Rail line D&RGW idler flats                 $15 each ....3 available
F&C EBT 800 series Hoppers             $20 each....3 available
F&C  EBT Steel flatcar             (2pk)     $25
F&C EBT  Steel flatcar                          $15
Blackstone long caboose #0505           $40
Blackstone UTLX frameless tank car   $40
 
Figure $5 postage im guessing. 

Contact me off list

Mecu18b@...


Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

Dale as a practical matter there is definitely going to be a bit of slight-of-hand (artist interpretation) in my MDC tank conversions, no matter what I find in the research... =)

I really need to find/make a "No rivet counting allowed" sign to post over my partially built layout. =)

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

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