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Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars master pattern

M2fq@...
 

contact me off list if interested in a master pattern

Gary Kohler
portland locomotive works
m2fq@...
330 719 0264


Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

Bill Lugg
 

Also, if I recall correctly, a mold master needs to be made a little oversized to account for shrinkage during the casting process.

Bill Lugg

On 7/16/20 3:02 AM, kevin b via groups.io wrote:
i'll have to give that some thought, although I think maybe i'd rather not copy someone elses product without permission.
thanks.
Kevin.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 01:29:10 AM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@gmail.com> wrote:


kevin, just order one kit from Precision scale.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:49 PM kevin b via groups.io <http://groups.io> <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>> wrote:


I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame
proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind

hello Bob, and all other interested parties:

personally, i think the thing to do for the MDC tank car is make a
frame for it.
i have a spin casting machine, i can get a mold made.
i am not a machinist and therefore can't make a master pattern myself.

in my opinion, the MDC frame is about 2x thicker (top to bottom)
than it needs to be.

so, now where to get a master pattern.....

Kevin.
hello Bob.


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: conoco tank cars

Brian Kopp
 

Hi Kevin,
You are welcome to use the PDF. It is a custom decal so if you are a stickler for details you might not like that the tank cars were tested in Silver City by the New Mexico Western Railroad (NMWRR), instead of Denver by the C&S.

That said, you might find a few takers (including me) who would buy a higher DPI decal from you for HOn3. I would love to get some 2400 DPI versions of the tank decal. The ones I have are not that high resolution.

Yes that was a passive-aggressive nudge for you to buy a higher end water-slide printer like the ones at alps-printer.com. =)

Regards
Brian


--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

kevin b
 

i'll have to give that some thought, although I think maybe i'd rather not copy someone elses product without permission.
thanks.
Kevin.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 01:29:10 AM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


kevin, just order one kit from Precision scale. 
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:49 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind

hello Bob, and all other interested parties:

personally, i think the thing to do for the MDC tank car is make a frame for it.
i have a spin casting machine, i can get a mold made.
i am not a machinist and therefore can't make a master pattern myself.

in my opinion, the MDC frame is about 2x thicker (top to bottom) than it needs to be.

so, now where to get a master pattern.....

Kevin.
 
hello Bob.


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

lloyd lehrer
 

kevin, just order one kit from Precision scale. 
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:49 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind

hello Bob, and all other interested parties:

personally, i think the thing to do for the MDC tank car is make a frame for it.
i have a spin casting machine, i can get a mold made.
i am not a machinist and therefore can't make a master pattern myself.

in my opinion, the MDC frame is about 2x thicker (top to bottom) than it needs to be.

so, now where to get a master pattern.....

Kevin.
 
hello Bob.


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Gazette?

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 14, 2020, at 16:52, Craig Linn <drgw346@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Guys.


Has anyone seen their Gazette yet? I saw on the White River page the advertisement showing the new issue...so perhaps it’s out at the printers?
Mine arrived two days ago.


Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

kevin b
 


I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind

hello Bob, and all other interested parties:

personally, i think the thing to do for the MDC tank car is make a frame for it.
i have a spin casting machine, i can get a mold made.
i am not a machinist and therefore can't make a master pattern myself.

in my opinion, the MDC frame is about 2x thicker (top to bottom) than it needs to be.

so, now where to get a master pattern.....

Kevin.
 
hello Bob.


Re: conoco tank cars/Decals

Andrew Thompson
 

In regards to creating decals/dry transfers, has anyone tried the DecalProFX dry transfer system?

Andy



Re: Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

Bill Lugg
 

Regarding the frame, what are the chances one could be modeled and 3D printed?  It seems like a cavity could be provided for weight, or the weight could go in the tank, for that matter.

Just a thought.
Bill Lugg

On 7/15/20 1:08 PM, Robert Veefkind via groups.io wrote:
Good day gentle modelers

After re-reading Grandts pictorial and Dr. Sloans N.G. freight cars, I am convinced modeling them (tank cars) is a hobby in itself. They were built with various frames different trucks and brake systems.Even on a wood frame with truss rods. The lettering changed over the years too. Most of you are aware of these things I know.
Dry transfer lettering to me is much preferred. I still have a bunch of CDS dry transfers but they are dried out and all suggestions to restore them did not work.I wonder what the shelf life is?
I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind


Conoco narrow gauge tank cars

Robert Veefkind
 

Good day gentle modelers

After re-reading Grandts pictorial and Dr. Sloans N.G. freight cars, I am convinced modeling them (tank cars) is a hobby in itself. They were built with various frames different trucks and brake systems.Even on a wood frame with truss rods. The lettering changed over the years too. Most of you are aware of these things I know.
Dry transfer lettering to me is much preferred. I still have a bunch of CDS dry transfers but they are dried out and all suggestions to restore them did not work.I wonder what the shelf life is?
I tried to mill down the MDC zamac frame to narrow frame proportions with little luck. Bob Veefkind
 


Re: conoco tank cars

kevin b
 

Hello Brian.
left the entire email in below for frame of reference:

ok, long story short, I've been looking into making these decals, and or other decals.
the bottom line is, unless there is something out there I can't turn up, ink jet printing white is a no go.

so, laser printing is pretty much it.

now then, it takes a certain printer and a certain toner and so forth to print white.
and OF COURSE the white toner is very expensive.
the printer ain't 'zackly cheap neither.

alright, I intend to obtain the stuff it takes to print white decals.
i'm also looking into doing this on dry transfer paper, but, 1 hurdle at a time.
first, will be water slide decals.

as you have already posted the file for the tank cars, I take it you're at peace with someone else, me for example, using it?
I would like to confirm that however.

I would like to think that by the end of the month I will be able to successfully print these decals.
if, and or when, I can make it happen, i'll take a photo and put it on here etc.

ok, the work is in progress so to speak.
thanks.
Kevin.



Hi Kevin,
The short answer is yes if you don't need to print white lettering or real high resolution. A color (or black only) laser printer can take decal paper and print on it like any other paper.
The resolution won't be any better than that of your laser printer though. I buy the paper on ebay where you can search "laser decal paper".

Now if you need higher resolution than your laser printer provides or you need white lettering then you consider using the services of a decal printing business. For small decals like those for model railroading many services use decal printers like those from Alps that can print white ink. You can see the printers at alps-printers.com. I don't think they are manufactured anymore since they want Windows XP on the host machine. The price is not consumer grade....

The good news for HOn3 is that the decals are so small that a PDF file is good enough to give to the printing service. If the decals are any larger then the printer will typically want Illustrator or CorelDRAW files or some other higher-end format. I  work in CorelDRAW for challenging designs and Visio for everything else.

The printing services advertise in MR and the Gazette. 

I am avoiding discussing whether DIY inkjet printing with white ink is worth trying. I just don't know anything about it and have not seen a lot of discussions and articles suggesting (as we say in Florida) that the juice is worth the squeeze.

--
Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: 455 Plow patches

Mick Moignard
 

Here are photos of my Blackstone 455 patch and also the Westside one. 


Mick


Re: Gazette?

Mick Moignard
 

May/June hasn’t arrived here in the UK either.  White River are sending me a replacement...

Mixk

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The week may start M,T but it always ends WTF.


455 Plow patches

Mick Moignard
 

Jeff

The old Westside “ATW” 455 had a patch etched on the plow.  I’ve also added one to my Blackstone 455. I used 5 thou styrene cut to the shape of the patch and attached it with liquid cement, pressing slightly on the edges to get it to splurge out a bit and create the weld seam effect.  


What neither of these plots have is the bending of the metal done in steps as shown up in the photo In RGS Story  12 Page 104, but it’s a great photo of the patch.

Mick

Mick


Re: Gazette?

Seb J
 

Same as you Graham, still waiting for my May/June issue to arrive in France... :/
I usually get mine with one month delay, but this was BC, before Covid I mean...
Sebastien

Le mer. 15 juil. 2020 à 03:48, Graham Hodges <hodgie@...> a écrit :
I haven’t even got my May/June gazette yet down here in sunny Cairns, Australia.  With Covid delaying mail I wonder if our will every show up together with everything else I’m expecting from US. No planes no mail, I am very envious even though I wouldn’t swap life here in paradise for anywhere else in the world.

Graham Hodges
Cairns,
Australia

--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé


Re: Gazette?

Bill Lugg
 

Something like that.  I've been accused of living in Kansas.

I have the most beautiful view of Pikes Peak from the west side of my house though.

Bill Lugg

On 7/14/20 9:33 PM, Mike Conder wrote:
Calhan?  Isn't that about a mile east of The Boonies, Colorado?

Mike Conder

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:13 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net <mailto:luggw1@risebroadband.net>> wrote:

Mark, aren't you rushing things a bit?  :o)

I got mine today here is rainy Calhan, CO.

Bill Lugg


On 7/14/20 6:10 PM, Mark Lewis wrote:
> Craig,
>
> I received my July/August, 2021 Gazette, on July 6, 2021, here in
> North Carolina.
>
> Mark Lewis
> Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.
>
>




Re: Gazette?

claneon30
 

Got mine today in Aurora.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:08 PM, claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:

And it’s narrow gauge, wait, I’ve said too much!

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Climax@... <Climax@...> wrote:

There's a train picture on the cover!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bruce 
Sent: Jul 14, 2020 8:17 PM 
To: HOn3@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Gazette? 

No spoilers, please. Hasn't arrived yet here in north central Ohio.

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce Bowie
419-602-3584
in2trains@...

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:55 PM Mike Chamberlain <mikec6201@...> wrote:
I got mine last Fri or Sat ......Mike





Re: Gazette?

Climax@...
 

All you blokes like standing upside down.  Doesn't the blood all run to your heads?
DAve

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Hodges
Sent: Jul 14, 2020 9:48 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Gazette?

I haven’t even got my May/June gazette yet down here in sunny Cairns, Australia.  With Covid delaying mail I wonder if our will every show up together with everything else I’m expecting from US. No planes no mail, I am very envious even though I wouldn’t swap life here in paradise for anywhere else in the world.

Graham Hodges
Cairns,
Australia


Re: Gazette?

Mike Conder
 

Calhan?  Isn't that about a mile east of The Boonies, Colorado?

Mike Conder

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:13 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
Mark, aren't you rushing things a bit?  :o)

I got mine today here is rainy Calhan, CO.

Bill Lugg


On 7/14/20 6:10 PM, Mark Lewis wrote:
> Craig,
>
> I received my July/August, 2021 Gazette, on July 6, 2021, here in
> North Carolina.
>
> Mark Lewis
> Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.
>
>




Re: Gazette?

Mike Conder
 

Got it yesterday but haven't had time to look at it, taxes!

Nice painting of 315 in Chama on the cover.

Mike Conder

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:52 PM Craig Linn <drgw346@...> wrote:

Hey Guys. 


Has anyone seen their Gazette yet?  I saw on the White River page the advertisement showing the new issue...so perhaps it’s out at the printers?

Thanks for the info. 


Craig

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