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Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Mick Moignard
 

I’m with Mark here, except I’ve used plumbers solder paste with no issues and both an RSU and a high wattage iron. Just wash the completed turnouts carefully and well afterwards when you’re done to remove all the flux residue, whatever you use.

Much

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Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Brian Kopp
 


I use leaded 63/37 solder wire for hand-laid turnouts. I suppose solder paste would work too and pre-application would free up a hand....might be worth a try. If it doesn't work, it might be because there isn't enough flux to clean the joint area...........a little extra cleaning before hand??

63/37 vs 60/40 is a physics issue. 63/37 is eutectic solder. Which means it melts and freezes at one single temperature, not over a range of temperature. 60/40 solder and other non-eutectic solder, go through a semi-gell state during transition that can result in cold solder joints (weak and prone to cracks) if you stop applying heat to soon. The issue arises because the melting point of the alloy is lower than the individual melting points of the component metals. Unfortunately, the solution to solder reliably with non-eutectic solder is to use more heat, which is often counter productive for delicate soldering jobs..... Rail to PCB tie soldering isn't what I would call delicate work so it is among the more forgiving applications that can use 60/40 solder easily.

Whatever the basic solder components, (silver, indium for really low temp, etc.) I always try to find a blend that is eutectic.  I am a Kester fanboy (solder wire and paste) but I have also used chipquik paste for indium low temp solder.


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Brian Kopp (Electrical Engineer)
Jacksonville, FL


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Robert Bell
 

They are in Skagway, AK; NOT Whitehorse, YT.

Rob Bell


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Not sure if you can get Carrs products in the US but they make a 60/40 solder paste called Carrs 188. They also make various different fluxs. I saw it used at an exhibition where some 2mm Society guys were making the most beautiful turnouts using paste and RSU's (but without any jigs!). The only difference was they were using a carbon probe rather than tweezers. The other leg was connected to the rail with an alligator clip. I've tried it and it works very well.
Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Dale Buxton
 

Same here.

Dale Buxton

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 19:09 <Climax@...> wrote:
I have used TIX on everything.  I found it universal to make things flow from wiring to nickle silver to nickle silver or brass to brass.  It just works.
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 6:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






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lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Climax@...
 

I have used TIX on everything.  I found it universal to make things flow from wiring to nickle silver to nickle silver or brass to brass.  It just works.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 6:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

lloyd lehrer
 

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

captaindavekrembs
 

I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

lloyd lehrer
 

bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Climax@...
 

I've used 60/40 for decades and never had a failure yet. With the mix or a good TIX flux you can never make a mistake except with a cold joint. With a RSU it takes a little bit of courage to hold parts and see that metal get so hot but its doing its job and works perfectly.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Lugg <luggw1@risebroadband.net>
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 5:41 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg





Solder paste for Turnout construction

Bill Lugg
 

This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a 1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using "solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37 Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


Re: Construction so far

sydney schofield
 

Wow!

Syd



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-------- Original message --------
From: Steve Hatch <hatch@...>
Date: 7/4/20 12:12 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Construction so far

http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/Build/Addon.html

All the pictures and the videos.
-Steve


Construction so far

Steve Hatch
 

http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/Build/Addon.html

All the pictures and the videos.
-Steve


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Mike Conder
 

I have one and it looks quite good.  Maybe a little sanding needed but fine for a background model.  And a LOT less expensive thanks Zn3 mechanism!

So yeah, worth the cost to me. 

Mike Conder

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 5:08 PM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Randy Hees
 

The old MiniTrains (small, mostly European outline) line of HO for N track from AHM is still available...  see http://www.minitrains.eu/mt-freight.html   They have some wonderful tiny tip cars...   

Randy

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:27 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
have you looked at the very old AHM HOe (e scale track) diesel and steam locomotives and cars?  they might just fit what your trying to make.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Jul 3, 2020 7:08 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Climax@...
 

have you looked at the very old AHM HOe (e scale track) diesel and steam locomotives and cars?  they might just fit what your trying to make.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Jul 3, 2020 7:08 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Dusty
 

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Mick Moignard
 

I’m not a diesel fan either, but if they keep the NG trains running, then I’m not complaining.

Mick

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Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Think I much prefer the Alco DL535's - they had a bit more character, these are too much like spam cans!

Mark K


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Richard Johnson
 

Ugh, Ill pass.....
Rich Johnson

www.RichardSJohnson.net 

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From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:59 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>; NSNG Members <nsng-members@...>; NarrowGaugeChat@groups.io <NarrowGaugeChat@groups.io>
Subject: [HOn3] [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]
 
For lovers of the White Pass or modern NG diesels ...

Mike Conder

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From: Garth Hamilton <garth.a.hamilton@...>
Date: Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:45 PM
Subject: Fwd: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]
To: <Nn3+owner@groups.io>


Here is what modern power on the narrow gauge looks like today 3001 and 3002 newly arrived in White Horse sort of sd70 look on 3ft gauge track class C trucks like the other locos but on a much longer chassis beautiful looking supposed to work oh 2 100 class locos some  of which have been sold already to colorado operators

73 Garth

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:58 PM 'Boerries Burkhardt' boerries.burkhardt@... [whitepassfanlist] <whitepassfanlist@...> wrote:
 

My friend Mike May is in Skagway right now and he share this images with us.

 

Wow they are huge……

 

Thanks, Mike

 

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