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Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Climax@...
 

I have used TIX on everything.  I found it universal to make things flow from wiring to nickle silver to nickle silver or brass to brass.  It just works.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 6:53 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






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lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

lloyd lehrer
 

capt: I dont believe Tix makes a solder paste, just solid solder and jars of flux.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM captaindavekrembs via groups.io <captaindavekrembs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






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lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

captaindavekrembs
 

I useTIX flux.

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 5:08:36 PM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

lloyd lehrer
 

bill, i use Sn42 Bi57 Ag1
from MG chemicals
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg






--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Solder paste for Turnout construction

Climax@...
 

I've used 60/40 for decades and never had a failure yet. With the mix or a good TIX flux you can never make a mistake except with a cold joint. With a RSU it takes a little bit of courage to hold parts and see that metal get so hot but its doing its job and works perfectly.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Lugg <@luggw1>
Sent: Jul 5, 2020 5:41 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Solder paste for Turnout construction

This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's
American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a
1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using
"solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the
soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that
teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my
turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint
for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37
Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder
paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes
are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical
strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the
wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg





Solder paste for Turnout construction

Bill Lugg
 

This afternoon I was reading the literature that came with my Dad's American Beauty resistance soldering unit.  Included was a reprint of a 1992 MR article about resistance soldering that included a tip on using "solder cream" between PC board ties and rail with the tweezers on the soldering unit to make nice clean joints.  It occurred to me that teaming this up with the Fastracks jigs would improve and speed my turnout construction.

My question is regarding the choice of paste to get the strongest joint for this application.  It seems at first blush the options are 63/37 Sn/Pb or low melting point AG solder paste.  I did find SN/BI/Ag solder paste too, but it's much rarer than the others.  All of the Sn/Pb pastes are focused on SMD repairs so I'm not sure about their mechanical strength for flexing points on a turnout, for example.  Admittedly, the wire solder I'm using now is 60/40 so maybe I'm worrying about nothing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


Re: Construction so far

sydney schofield
 

Wow!

Syd



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From: Steve Hatch <hatch@...>
Date: 7/4/20 12:12 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Construction so far

http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/Build/Addon.html

All the pictures and the videos.
-Steve


Construction so far

Steve Hatch
 

http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/Build/Addon.html

All the pictures and the videos.
-Steve


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Mike Conder
 

I have one and it looks quite good.  Maybe a little sanding needed but fine for a background model.  And a LOT less expensive thanks Zn3 mechanism!

So yeah, worth the cost to me. 

Mike Conder

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 5:08 PM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Randy Hees
 

The old MiniTrains (small, mostly European outline) line of HO for N track from AHM is still available...  see http://www.minitrains.eu/mt-freight.html   They have some wonderful tiny tip cars...   

Randy

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:27 PM <Climax@...> wrote:
have you looked at the very old AHM HOe (e scale track) diesel and steam locomotives and cars?  they might just fit what your trying to make.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Jul 3, 2020 7:08 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Climax@...
 

have you looked at the very old AHM HOe (e scale track) diesel and steam locomotives and cars?  they might just fit what your trying to make.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty
Sent: Jul 3, 2020 7:08 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Narrow Gauge Creations 20" Porter

Dusty
 

Does anyone have first hand experience with this Shapeways item. I'm looking for a tramway set (static) up to haul rock from a couple of mines to a mill or two. I'm thinking this engine could be located 36" back from the facia to serve as 'texture' rather than as a component of a 'diorama'. More obscure in the background. I'm thinking Nn3 tippers for haulers. A couple behind the engine 'out on the line', a couple spotted at small mine tipples and a couple at the mills.

Any info will be appreciated!

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Mick Moignard
 

I’m not a diesel fan either, but if they keep the NG trains running, then I’m not complaining.

Mick

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Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Think I much prefer the Alco DL535's - they had a bit more character, these are too much like spam cans!

Mark K


Re: [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]

Richard Johnson
 

Ugh, Ill pass.....
Rich Johnson

www.RichardSJohnson.net 

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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
Thomas Jefferson




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Subject: [HOn3] [whitepassfanlist] IMAGES of 3001 and 3002 [2 Attachments]
 
For lovers of the White Pass or modern NG diesels ...

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Here is what modern power on the narrow gauge looks like today 3001 and 3002 newly arrived in White Horse sort of sd70 look on 3ft gauge track class C trucks like the other locos but on a much longer chassis beautiful looking supposed to work oh 2 100 class locos some  of which have been sold already to colorado operators

73 Garth

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My friend Mike May is in Skagway right now and he share this images with us.

 

Wow they are huge……

 

Thanks, Mike

 

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Mike Conder
 

For lovers of the White Pass or modern NG diesels ...

Mike Conder

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Here is what modern power on the narrow gauge looks like today 3001 and 3002 newly arrived in White Horse sort of sd70 look on 3ft gauge track class C trucks like the other locos but on a much longer chassis beautiful looking supposed to work oh 2 100 class locos some  of which have been sold already to colorado operators

73 Garth


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:58 PM 'Boerries Burkhardt' boerries.burkhardt@... [whitepassfanlist] <whitepassfanlist@...> wrote:
 

My friend Mike May is in Skagway right now and he share this images with us.

 

Wow they are huge……

 

Thanks, Mike

 

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Re: PSC K-37 versus Division Point K-37

Mick Moignard
 

I have both PSC (2002 run) and DP K-36 models.  There are good and bad points in both.  Both run well, the DP is noisier out of the box than the PSC but PSC ones usually take some tinkering to deal with shorts. The PSC is I think more accurate in detail.  It’s also much cheaper, if you can find one.

I also have PSC K37s, and they’re also fine models. I have seen photos of the DP 37s, and notice that the DP model of 492 has entirely the wrong tender (PSC got the 492 tender right).  DP also missed the weld marks on the K36 tender where the side raves were extended.  These issues lead me to wonder what else is not quite right. 

One issue with the PSC 37 is that it has plated brass wheel tyres which will wear. The PSC 36 has stainless steel.  My DP locos have some sort of steel tyre, but one that doesn’t stay as clean as the PSC ones.

So, my recommendation is the PSC model, if you can find one.  As Mark says, you used to be able to buy nearly 3 PSCs for the cost of one DP.  Note too that the Overland K36 of around 1990 is essentially the same model as the PSC 2002 K36.

Mick

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Re: [Colorado-Railfan] Track Construction Como, CO, 27 June 2020

Railroads
 

Gunnison, then on to coal deposits near Crested Butte.

Allen Farnsworth

On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Bill Lugg <@luggw1> wrote:

So, how soon will trains be running into Denver and Breckenridge? ;o)

Seriously, not being too knowledgeable on Colorado railroad history. Where did the track at the bottom center lead?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


On 6/30/20 4:39 PM, Mike Conder wrote:
FYI ... from the Colorado Railfan .io group ...

Mike Conder

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Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:40 PM
Subject: [Colorado-Railfan] Track Construction Como, CO, 27 June 2020
To: <Colorado-Railfan@groups.io <mailto:Colorado-Railfan@groups.io>>




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Denver, South Park & Pacific Historical Society volunteers built additional narrow gauge track on the Denver, South Park & Pacific RR right of way June 27, 2020 north of the Como Hotel, Como, CO. Right of way at left led to Boreas Pass and Breckenridge, CO. Track to the right led to Kenosha Pass and Denver, CO.


Re: [Colorado-Railfan] Track Construction Como, CO, 27 June 2020

Dale Buxton
 

Points on the line Southwest of Como. FairPlay, Alma, Trout Creek Pass, Buena Vista, Alpine Pass, Gunnison and finally Baldwin.

D. Buxton

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 17:05 Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
So, how soon will trains be running into Denver and Breckenridge? ;o)

Seriously, not being too knowledgeable on Colorado railroad history. 
Where did the track at the bottom center lead?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


On 6/30/20 4:39 PM, Mike Conder wrote:
> FYI ... from the Colorado Railfan .io group ...
>
> Mike Conder
>
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> From: *Alan Schenkel* <arschenk1@... <mailto:arschenk1@...>>
> Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:40 PM
> Subject: [Colorado-Railfan] Track Construction Como, CO, 27 June 2020
> To: <Colorado-Railfan@groups.io <mailto:Colorado-Railfan@groups.io>>
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
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> Denver, South Park & Pacific Historical Society volunteers built
> additional narrow gauge track on the Denver, South Park & Pacific RR
> right of way June 27, 2020 north of the Como Hotel, Como, CO.  Right
> of way at left led to Boreas Pass and Breckenridge, CO.  Track to the
> right led to Kenosha Pass and Denver, CO.
>




Re: [Colorado-Railfan] Track Construction Como, CO, 27 June 2020

Bill Lugg
 

So, how soon will trains be running into Denver and Breckenridge? ;o)

Seriously, not being too knowledgeable on Colorado railroad history.  Where did the track at the bottom center lead?

Thanks
Bill Lugg

On 6/30/20 4:39 PM, Mike Conder wrote:
FYI ... from the Colorado Railfan .io group ...

Mike Conder

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To: <Colorado-Railfan@groups.io <mailto:Colorado-Railfan@groups.io>>




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Denver, South Park & Pacific Historical Society volunteers built additional narrow gauge track on the Denver, South Park & Pacific RR right of way June 27, 2020 north of the Como Hotel, Como, CO.  Right of way at left led to Boreas Pass and Breckenridge, CO.  Track to the right led to Kenosha Pass and Denver, CO.