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Re: NG diesels

Paul Sturtz
 

That one sure has traveled!  I did send one to England, I think this may be that one.  
Paul


Re: NG diesels

Paul Sturtz
 

Thanks, Ted, and yes, they run very well.  One of the biggest problems with the conversions are the split axles, a common Bachmann problem.  I repair them by cutting washers from tube aluminum and press fitting them on the axles.  This could be your problem.  If you cut the gearboxes correctly, check your axles.  See the attached photos.  I have also upgraded the DCC.
Paul


New Log Wagon

richrands
 

We have released a new Log Wagon #2106 in HO $10.95.
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Re: NG diesels

Bruce
 

Very, very nicely done!  Any hints as to what all you did to turn out such great looking models?

With cinders in your eyes,
Bruce
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Re: NG diesels

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

Orrrrrrr you can modify the 45 tonner or the 70 tonner into correct width units. These have all been narrowed to proper HOn3 widths of 8 ft. the 70 tonner has a bit more work to go on it.  Now these all sit on N scale drives (HOn30) but  I would must rather have them with HOn3 drives. A simple switch a roo  if a drive ever becomes available.

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Re: NG diesels

Mark Lewis
 

Jim,

I like that, a lot!

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 5:45 PM James Kendig <jjkendig@...> wrote:

An easier alternative may be the HO Atlas Alco 660. I have three on my layout.  All are DCC and one has a Sountrax decoder with the protypical sound for these units. Steve Swafford, a modeler in the Chicago area, does the conversions at a reasonable price.  He also sells other switchers converted on eBay.  His user name there in JeepCaptain.  The units are 42' in length.  
Jim Kendig


Re: NG diesels

James Kendig
 


An easier alternative may be the HO Atlas Alco 660. I have three on my layout.  All are DCC and one has a Sountrax decoder with the protypical sound for these units. Steve Swafford, a modeler in the Chicago area, does the conversions at a reasonable price.  He also sells other switchers converted on eBay.  His user name there in JeepCaptain.  The units are 42' in length.  
Jim Kendig


Re: the future of HON3

John
 

Hi Ed,
I know a guy in Canada ( Gerald Harper) who models the Anyox in on3. He's got lots of info and did a presentation at the narrow gauge Convention a few years ago
John Peckham


On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM, Ed Weldon
<23.weldon@...> wrote:

I think we ought to take a look at the way the HOn30 modelers have gone.  There are very limited rtr locos and they are small industrial types.  So they have generally stayed away from Western USA prototypes.  But what they have done is work with available chassis/mechanisms from the N scale world and done a lot with 3d printing. 
So this leads me to thinking that a good HOn3 product may be an 8 wheel "diesel" chassis that is stretchable in it's wheel base and accepts whatever 3d printed side frames that are needed for a given loco and even large rail buses.  This would be a ready invitation to 3d printed superstructures for whatever diesel one wants to model.  It would even work for an HOn3 Baldwin electric when some ambitious modeler decides to tackle modeling the Anyox/Hidden Creek operation in British Columbia. (Something I put a lot of share-able research into; but won't live to actually do.) The nice thing about doing just the diesel chassis is that there is no big investment in expensive injection mold tooling and the necessary sales volume to make the venture profitable. And by using 12 volt electric motors that are in common use in automobile manufacturing a long term supply of that item is well assured.


Re: the future of HON3

 

Here's one other thought.  Develop an 8 driver basic ("adjustable") steam chassis that can be used as a 2-8-0, 2-6-0 Baldwin, 2-6-0 Cooke, 4-4-0, 2-4-0, 2-4-4 or whatever else can be fitted over it in the way of a 3d printed or scratch built superstructure and tender as required. This would take some careful study and engineering and obviously would not provide prototype detail perfection that we see in Blackstone and good brass. 
But is that perfection really needed for the creative modeler?  It certainly is not the case for the HOn30 community.  We were spoiled and our HOn3 hobby went on its current path because of the evolution of ever more perfect detailed scale models.  But in the process we downgraded creativity to the role of shaping plaster mountains, inventing new layout construction techniques and playing with electronics and animations, the sad last frontier for creativity and electro-mechanical talent in model railroading.
We seem to have forgotten that all modeling is an artistic exercise in fiction.  What really counts is the quality and consistency of the work as a whole.   I like to say that a well done Thomas tank engine layout looks great.  But if you were to put a single contest winning HO structure in the middle of it the result would be a ridiculous eyesore or at least cynical insult.

We ought t think about that.


Re: NG diesels

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

Paul.....outstanding work , no two ways about it !!  How do they run?? I have a set of conversation wheels  but after a couple failed attempts ( didn't run well at all) They sit in my parts box.


Re: the future of HON3

 

I think we ought to take a look at the way the HOn30 modelers have gone.  There are very limited rtr locos and they are small industrial types.  So they have generally stayed away from Western USA prototypes.  But what they have done is work with available chassis/mechanisms from the N scale world and done a lot with 3d printing. 
So this leads me to thinking that a good HOn3 product may be an 8 wheel "diesel" chassis that is stretchable in it's wheel base and accepts whatever 3d printed side frames that are needed for a given loco and even large rail buses.  This would be a ready invitation to 3d printed superstructures for whatever diesel one wants to model.  It would even work for an HOn3 Baldwin electric when some ambitious modeler decides to tackle modeling the Anyox/Hidden Creek operation in British Columbia. (Something I put a lot of share-able research into; but won't live to actually do.) The nice thing about doing just the diesel chassis is that there is no big investment in expensive injection mold tooling and the necessary sales volume to make the venture profitable. And by using 12 volt electric motors that are in common use in automobile manufacturing a long term supply of that item is well assured.


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Re: NG diesels

gnorwood6 gnorwood6
 

Paul,
Looked at the photos and I was impressed. 
Just for your information, one of your 70 ton conversions made it all the way to Australia.
One of my mates bought one off ebay in Australia. Some guy in the state of South Australia had one up for sale.
Gary



------ Original Message ------
From: "Paul Sturtz" <apa_208@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 12 Jun, 2020 At 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [HOn3] NG diesels

Just for info, here are photos of the NWSL brass #50 and one of my conversions, a 70t SP diesel.    


Re: NG diesels

Paul Sturtz
 

Just for info, here are photos of the NWSL brass #50 and one of my conversions, a 70t SP diesel.


Re: Fiest train at last

Ric Case
 

Steve send photos when you get basic scenery in! Also have you had any time to produce any rollee holders yet?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On May 28, 2020, at 11:40 PM, Steen Mortensen <steenerik@...> wrote:



Congrats with this great and big work

 

Steen

 

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From: Steve Hatch
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 10:03 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Fiest train at last

 

Well I just finished wiring and ran a a work train all the way around the new addition.
I started building the building to put this 20x20 room addition on to my 26x20 garage in July of 2019
and I finished the building and built the new framing and hand layed the code 55 rail
all the way around and just now ran a train over the whole line.
 Phew.   I'm a month ahead of where I thought I'd be.
Im tired now so I'll take some pics of the new track with a train on it tomorrow.
The guys come to operate tomorrow so there will be trains on it. The RR is NOW 20 by 46 feet.
Thousands and thousands or spikes.  Little bitty itty bitty spikes that bend.

Last rush today getting the 5 turnouts in that are on the main line and then wiring all.
This hiding in place has given the "build" a boost.
Stephen Hatch

 

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Re: the future of HON3

burrst54
 

Ted and Paul - I'm totally with you on this, and I will be Paul's next customer if he ever does any more conversions. With the increasing interest in operations, and the perfect size of narrow gage equipment between N and HO, I think HOn3 will be here and kicking for a long time to come. If TT standard gage was still available, I would be doing that too.

Burr Stewart
Seattle, WA


Re: the future of HON3

burrst54
 

Russ - Yes, they were. I bought a standard gage Ken Kidder Porter Mogul for $35 in a hobby shop in downtown Providence RI in the 60's and after a couple of years decided to try converting it to HOn3, so took it apart. Some of the pieces got separated, and now every once in a while I come across some of them. I doubt it will ever get it back together again, in either gage.

Burr Stewart
Seattle, WA


NG diesels

John Stutz
 

Regarding 'modern' NG diesel power, the Bachmans 44 ton and 70 ton GEs gave us a good base while the original mechanism was in production, but the shells are still a good start to recognizable power.  I suspect that the Bachman 70 ton BB could also be shortened to give a reasonable 50 ton version, as used by the SP and United  Gypsum.  Bob Bader's "Southern Pacific Narrow Gauge Locomotives and Freight Equipment" has a couple drawings of the SP version.  Then there are the Oahu 44 ton BB and the Northern of Chile 70 ton CC with their articulated high adhesion trucks, for further variations.

Getting away from the GEs, and ignoring the PSC brass models, there is some hope of an ALCo DL535.  These were long a standard  export model for ALCo, widely used in South America and a standard type built under license by the Indian Railways.  I would not be too surprised to see a DL535 model for the South American market sometime in the next decade. This would be a high hood version, but all of PSC's castings are still available. 

 I have already seen photos of some other 30D printed South American shells, for US built diesels, and have purchased an EMD GT22CU shell from Shapeways. 

If it is RTR large prototype diesels you want, take a good look at the Australian and New Zealand markets. New Zealand is entirely 3'6" gauge although heavily into S scale, while Australia has plenty more, especially in Queensland with at least one HOn3.5 manufacturer. Both countries have very active railway modeling communities that are increasingly focusing on home prototypes as models become available.  South Africa is another 3' 6" gauge country which dieseled with mostly U.S. products, and where railroad modeling is increasingly focusing on local prototypes, as commercial models become more available.

For instance, Wuiske Models offers 5 different HOn3.5 (12mm gauge) models of Queensland Railways locomotives: Class 1550 (27 EMD GL22C 1972-6), 1720 (56 EMD GL18 1966-70), 2100 (24 EMD GL26C 1970-73), 2400 (24 EMD GL22C-2 1977-8), and 2770 (38 EMD GL22C-2, 1980-83).  The GL22s were about the same weight as the White Pass ALCos, and could have been a contender if EMD had made a 36" gauge traction motor.   Circa 1997-2002, 60 of the GL22s were rebuilt as GT22LC-2s, which should not be a particularly difficult conversion, and aside from the cab, are not much different from what White Pass is now buying. These models are priced at $295 Aus, currently about $210 US, use RP25 code 88 wheels, and I am told can be easily re-gauged to 10.5mm.

John Stutz


Re: the future of HON3

hiroechan
 

If this project happens, I'm also a buyer. I will slap pantographs on top and turn them into electrics for a MILW-style bridge route in HOn3.

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM Bruce Bowie <buybruce@...> wrote:
Put me down for 3-6 sets.

Like the prototype, diesels can make operations with more uptime than steamers.

I love my steamers...but I love to see trains moving across my railroad and so do my operating crew.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 1:45 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Paul, I have seen your work. Very impressive to say the least. But how about going one better. And much less costly. Since NWSL is back in business perhaps a HOn3 complete replacement truck could be made? One that fits under the 70 tonner and the 44 and 45 tonners. Im sure the cost of a truck to convert small diesels is a fraction on a whole new locomotive??? What think you?


I totally support that idea.

and or, make a set of axels and gears to "drop in" one of the kato power trucks.
Kevin.


Re: the future of HON3

Bruce Bowie
 

Put me down for 3-6 sets.

Like the prototype, diesels can make operations with more uptime than steamers.

I love my steamers...but I love to see trains moving across my railroad and so do my operating crew.


On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 1:45 PM kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Paul, I have seen your work. Very impressive to say the least. But how about going one better. And much less costly. Since NWSL is back in business perhaps a HOn3 complete replacement truck could be made? One that fits under the 70 tonner and the 44 and 45 tonners. Im sure the cost of a truck to convert small diesels is a fraction on a whole new locomotive??? What think you?


I totally support that idea.

and or, make a set of axels and gears to "drop in" one of the kato power trucks.
Kevin.