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Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dusty
 

Is there a MSRP for the 1/87 versions?

Dusty Burman 


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dale Buxton
 

RIVIT not river. Stupid auto correct!

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 19:41 Dale Buxton via groups.io <dbtuathaddana=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
At the TCA event in Denver, I was shown a river pattern flaw on the On3 versions dome. So that die had to be re-cut. All of this was before the pandemic started to hit the USA hard. It was already effecting the manufacturing industry in China and San Juan had been informed of that issue. 

Dale Buxton

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 17:15 Ted Wilton <twilton@...> wrote:
The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dale Buxton
 

At the TCA event in Denver, I was shown a river pattern flaw on the On3 versions dome. So that die had to be re-cut. All of this was before the pandemic started to hit the USA hard. It was already effecting the manufacturing industry in China and San Juan had been informed of that issue. 

Dale Buxton

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 17:15 Ted Wilton <twilton@...> wrote:
The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

duncan
 

Mark,

    The tall domed tank cars are doing fine.  They brought one of the test runs to the TCA show here in Denver and ran it the club's layout (The Near Sighted Narrow Gaugers).  The car was unpainted, but ran fine, tracked well, had super details, coupled and uncoupled just fine.  They are very busy getting the shop set up and in production.  Different machines doing similar jobs from the various companies they have taken over.  so, a learning cure for each machine.  Then the covid restrictions and all.  Last I heard they were on track for delivery later this year.  Talk about not hearing anything.  We haven't had any sort of update from Blackstone on their search for a new factory and the production of the K28's and K-36's for almost a year now!

                                                            Duncan Harvey


Re: Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' Turntable

Jeff Reynolds
 

Here's a pic showing the Peco girders. They are a bit short so I added some material to make them come over the rollers. You can't easlily see them with the deck on. 
jefe


Re: Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' Turntable

Jeff Reynolds
 
Edited

Scott, I built a 50' TT for Ridgway using the DS 51' kit's base and hardware using my bashed deck and a Peco 100' N scale TT kit for the girders. I too am doing Ouray in HOn3 with code 40 rail, the original 3-way stub in 40 and if i can find another DS kit, another 50' TT at Ouray. Here it is before the railing, turn handles and approach tracks. I too am doing Ouray and have the space.
If i can find another kit I will build one for Ouray, all in code 40 including all stub switches in code 40 including a 3-way stub that was on the original track plan. My 319 will be happy to make the Montrose/Ouray turn.
jefe


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Ted Wilton
 

The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: the future of HON3

 

Kevin,

If you look at www.westernrails.com they have at least three HOn3 tenders that are 3D printed.  One is a ET&WNC tender and the other two are D&RGW, 0470 (ex-Uintah) water car and W462 water car made from K-27 tender.  I believe these are all below $50 in cost.

Bruce Dunlevy


Re: the future of HON3

John Hutnick
 

My suggestion to all is to go to Ebay, search HOn3 brass, look at completed or sold items.  Pick a target price, say $300, and see what you can get(or could have gotten).  If you stay with mostly Japanese, you will minimize problems.  Older Balboa, WMC, and PFM sell at what I think are at least decent prices, if not always bargains.  Stop bemoaning Blackstone, and figuring what someone maybe could manufacture, and get what there is and run trains.


Re: the future of HON3

Lawrence Wisniewski <lwreno@...>
 

That company in India did manage to bring at least a small number of their C-16's to market, but their quality was awful and so ended that venture.  I've seen the locomotive offered on e-bay twice over the years but really don't know if it was released world wide, or on a more regional venue.  At any rate, it was a bust.  This discussion of Bachmann-Kander has occurred so many times over the years that I am amazed it has risen from the dead again.  I can't see any point to it's continuation.  I don't think that there are many HOn3 hobbyists that still believe Blackstone is still pursuing the K series project. Their failure to make a public statement about withdrawing from it is really bad form on their part but typical of current American corporate behavior and business practices.  Personally, I would hate to see Bachmann products contaminate the HOn3 marketplace.  Their stuff is notorious for eratic quality control and questionable engineering practices.  Their customer service seems to have become extinct.  Just check out some of the On30 sites for their opinions on Bachmann these days.  I've been in model railroading for over 50 years and have seen a lot come and go.  Longing for a cheap, widely adaptable rod engine only got us the MDC engines, and no serious HOn3 modeler is going to give them a second look.  Why MDC did what they did is not clear, but it is pretty much in line with how they approached their earlier standard gauge efforts.  Those were born of the shortages, engineering limitations and toy train mentality of the 1950's.  Not something to display or run next to our contemporary brass, or even Blackstone locos.  Narrow gauge modeling has always required efforts beyond those needed for standard gauge.  It's a stable refuge for mostly serious and experienced modelers who are willing to develop the craftsman's skills and attitudes.  Unfortunately, this leaves the entry level hobbyist out in the cold unless they want to really work at it for a while.   I'm sorry if I am coming across as an elitist here but there are different levels of interest in this hobby and manufacturers have a lot of competing demands on their plates.  As the upward spiral of Blackstone prices clearly indicates, even RTR manufacturers are not going to become the saviors of narrow gauge modeling, except perhaps for the less technically demanding larger scales like On30.  You can buy and upgrade decent HOn3 Westside locomotives for significantly less money then Blackstone has to charge these days. I can do a RailLine boxcar, complete with good trucks, couplers,  paint and decals for around half of what a Blackstone costs out of the box.  And my model is definitely more satisfying because I got to care about what I was doing when I put it together.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...>  
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 7, 2020 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] the future of HON3

Gents this discussion comes out from time to time, as far as the C-16 yes it’s a great little loco and would fit into many a layout. Some may remember a fellow who was building a model in India took a lot of money from quite a few railroaders but was never able to get any models produced! Lots of good people lost all their investments with no hope of any repayment! I would be happy to have a few more of them as long as they have as much pulling power as the BS. C-19 ! 
I model the EBT and have no need for this loco but I am willing to add a couple more if something comes to fruition! 
Purest I’m not, but I really like the C-16s. 
Would really like to see a nice EBT loco that would fill my needs ! 
I have no idea how many would sell ! 
The bass that were Imported by hallmark are few and far between and expensive when they are available.
For the most part I run my seven teen black stones to save wear on my brass! 
Not the best solution but all have sound and DCC. 
A C-16 would fit into my operating session if it would pull my trains!   
Replacement motors for the westside brass are hard for me to find! I used to use Nwsl motors. 
Not good at finding things on line as replacements ! 
My thoughts! 
Just hoping!  

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton ,Ohio
513 3757694

On Jun 7, 2020, at 6:31 PM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:


Bob,
    As you said, this has been discussed before.  But, a couple of new things have developed that weren't present back then.  Maybe they will make a difference.
    About a year ago, at the Sacramento NNGC, Blackstone announced they had broken off dealings with the manufacturer they had been working with.  I believe that is Kader (sp?) who are owned by Bachmann, or who own Bachmann.  At any rate my understanding was that Kader would make the items (locos and cars) for Blackstone, but Bachmann couldn't compete.  So, Bachmann never entered the HOn3 market.
    They did use the drawings, etc. and produced both a K-27 and a C-19 in G scale (Fn3) that were identical to the Blackstone models in HOn3.
    When Blackstone ended their manufacturing relationship with Kader, that would seem to change things.
    At the convention, when I found out about this change I immediately went over to the Bachmann booth and asked if they knew anything about it.  They said they did not.  I related what I had read and been told at the Blackstone booth.  I asked them to check it out and if it was true, might they now consider entering the HOn3 market?  The gentleman I talked to said he'd check it out.  Notice that Blackstone has said they would keep us informed of developments.  It has been almost a year and we have heard nothing new from them.
    At the TCA show here in Denver in March I again went to the Bachmann booth and asked them about the possibility of Bachmann doing something in HOn3.  That gentleman said they would not.  That the market was not nearly big enough.
    I would dispute that claim, because Blackstone was able to sell enough locos to meet the requirements for production.  They ran three releases of K-27's IIRC, and two releases of C-19's.  I know Blackstone had told us (at Caboose Hobbies where I worked at the time) that they needed to sell as many models in a run as Athern, Atlas, Intermountain, Bachmann, or any of the other manufacturing companies had to sell.  And that that number was about 3500 copies.  If that is true, then Blackstone was able to sell something like 10,500 K-27's and 7,000 C-19's.
    So, my thinking is the best bet for new HOn3 locos may yet be Bachmann.  They have the factory that has done that kind of thing before.  There is, now, no agreement existing that keeps them from such a move.  They just need to hear from enough of us that there is a market that is not being met.  And a C-16 would be an ideal loco to produce.  Because I think it is just about the only thing that would have enough sales to warrant a run.  It was the iconic narrow gauge loco.  (Despite Blackstone's claim that the K-27 was the iconic narrow gauge loco!!!)  The C-16 was used by more roads than any other and in numbers exceeding any other design.  A K-28, or K-36 is nice.  But they are large; only used by one, or two roads; numbered about ten of each; were modern in design.  So, for old time, small layouts, of different roads, not of much interest.
    C-16's were used  extensively by the D&RG(W), RGS, DSP&P, DL&G, C&S, SRR, SN, SG&N, W&W, WP&Y and many others.  They were first built in the late 1800s, so fit for early modelers.  They were small, so better fit those with small layouts.  They were used in passenger, freight, logging operations and as switchers, so fit many layouts in those areas.  They lasted into modern times and three still exist, so fit for those modeling modern narrow gauge roads.  I think no loco better fits narrow gauge modeling.  Yet, no one has made a r-t-r model.
    Long answer to you question, but I hope it had some info and ideas that are helpful!
                                                                                                                                                            Duncan Harvey


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Mark Lewis
 

Mark,

A couple of months ago, on a Facebook HOn3 group, a couple of photos were posted by a modeler, who had seen actual prototype builds of the HOn3 CONOCO tank car, at a model railroad show  near Denver(?).
The comment that accompanied the photos, indicated a Fall 2020, availability (of course that was before the "virus"). They are probably being made off-shore(my assumption).

They looked really good!

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 2:43 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
Talking of San Juan, does anyone know if their tall domed Conoco tank car project is progressing in HOn3. A visit to their site yeilded no mention of HOn3 that I could find, while clicking on the Conoco advert took me to a blank page. I ordered a couple of these back when they were announced but heard nothing since.

It would be a great shame if there wasn't enough interest to make the project happen.

Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: the future of HON3

Lawrence Wisniewski <lwreno@...>
 

Perhaps you should ask the current owners of San Juan Models to review for you the previous owner's experience with marketing an On3 C-16 a few years back.


-----Original Message-----
From: kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 7, 2020 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] the future of HON3

well fellers, I've had an idea bout the HOn3 market for some time.
here goes:
I think, first of all, over seas production is sort of the problem.
yes, I know it's cheap and alla that.
but, what I think could work, is for the folks who bought Grantd line to step up to the plate.
ok, right now i'm sure they have enough to deal with just getting detail parts etc made and shipped and so on.
however, seeing as how they have, in house, pretty much everything it takes to produce train parts and bits and so on, i'm talking injection mold machines, and I would imagine they have some mold making ability and or access to getting new molds made or old ones repaired etc.
so, IF they'd take on the task, I think given some time and support from us, they could produce some version of an affordable RTR HOn3 loco.
for my money, i'd be tickled pink to get a 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0 or 2-8-0 or...……………..
what i'm saying is, i'm not particular.
start small, work up...…

ok, in my opinion, the thing to do to get the ball rolling so to speak, without taking on the WHOLE task of a complete loco all at once, would be to start with the simplest portion of the loco, which is the tender.
ok, so, please don't tear a strip of hide of may back about this, just to get things going, all they'd need to do, is make a tender, no dcc, no sound just a plain tender.
it don't have to be painted, or decorated, etc.
the idea here is IF they go to making RTR locos, or kits even, they gonna have to make a tender anyhow, so, just make that first.
and, to help things out, we SURELY can install the trucks and drawbar and coupler ourselves. I think they'd need to make the trucks themselves too, and there has been discussion about that topic already, what better thing than this to get THAT project back alive.

ok, so, see, if they start off with tenders, just tenders, their start up cost is MUCH lower than an entire loco for one thing and they could recover their investment really fast i'd think.
plus, once they got back their investment etc, and I would hope some profit, then they could afford to start the job of making the loco itself.

now, i'd like to think that since a tender is sort of basically the same kinda thing as a freight car, sorta, from a production standpoint at least I mean, really a tender is just a type of car on trucks.....
I would hope they could sell the thing direct from their shop for under 50 bucks or thereabouts.
for now, don't worry about distribution and dealer discounts and all the things that will come later. sell direct to us and get the books back in the green FIRST.
i'd bet, if we pre order enough, the tender might come in at a 35 dollar price point.
i'm basing this price point off what I know an RTR freight car can be made for by microtrains.
I had 100 cars special made and still have some for sale, so I KNOW that a dollar figure of between 35 and 50 dollars is in the ball park.
ESPECIALLY if it's not painted or decorated.

ok, I can hear the feed back and all that now.
boo hiss, I don't wanna paint it.... and who wants a tender all by itself? and so on and on and on.

well, I tell you, i'd rather it come painted myself, but this is NOT the end game.
the tender project is simply to get part of the whole project done and TO MARKET while keeping the company afloat and profitable etc.
trust me one thing we as modelers DO NOT want is for Sau Juan to take on a boat load of debt and go under.
if we, the HOn3 crowd, really do want more locos and so on, it is imperative that ANYBODY taking on the challenge MAKE money at it.
i'm not saying they need to put it on us and make a ton either.
a fair profit is a fair profit and that's how business works.
anyway, get the thing made and for sale and have it affordable enough everybody can buy one.
and, I encourage EVERYBODY to buy one at least just to help out.
later on, we can get more concerned with paint and decoration .
for now, remember, this is just to get the thing in motion.
as for who needs a tender by itself, well, I see no reason at all there can't be the odd tender sitting next to the engine shed on every layout there is.
maybe the loco is IN the shed getting a major refit, and the tender is outside out of the way.
it's your RR, you make up the story why it's there.

anyway, the thing is, the whole point of the tender by itself is to get the ball rolling for loco production IN the U.S.
those guys are making detail parts IN the U.S. and we can afford those, this is not that much a bigger deal.

and, i'll put my money where my mouth is:
San Juan, if you're reading this, and we're in synch for what you can sell tenders for, i'll take a dozen just to help you get going.

ok, really, it's up to us.
if we as a group, seriously approach the folks at San Juan, show them there IS a market for what we want, pony up a few bucks even, etc.
it can happen.

ok, so I know there will be hurdles when time comes to actually make the loco itself.
motors, gears, drivers, blah blah blah.
those are all bridges we'll need to cross later on.

I say, make a tender, recover the investment, make a few bucks and then take the next step.

thanks for reading.
Kevin.
aka YUKON.


Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Talking of San Juan, does anyone know if their tall domed Conoco tank car project is progressing in HOn3. A visit to their site yeilded no mention of HOn3 that I could find, while clicking on the Conoco advert took me to a blank page. I ordered a couple of these back when they were announced but heard nothing since.

It would be a great shame if there wasn't enough interest to make the project happen.

Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: the future of HON3

kevin b
 

well fellers, I've had an idea bout the HOn3 market for some time.
here goes:
I think, first of all, over seas production is sort of the problem.
yes, I know it's cheap and alla that.
but, what I think could work, is for the folks who bought Grantd line to step up to the plate.
ok, right now i'm sure they have enough to deal with just getting detail parts etc made and shipped and so on.
however, seeing as how they have, in house, pretty much everything it takes to produce train parts and bits and so on, i'm talking injection mold machines, and I would imagine they have some mold making ability and or access to getting new molds made or old ones repaired etc.
so, IF they'd take on the task, I think given some time and support from us, they could produce some version of an affordable RTR HOn3 loco.
for my money, i'd be tickled pink to get a 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0 or 2-8-0 or...……………..
what i'm saying is, i'm not particular.
start small, work up...…

ok, in my opinion, the thing to do to get the ball rolling so to speak, without taking on the WHOLE task of a complete loco all at once, would be to start with the simplest portion of the loco, which is the tender.
ok, so, please don't tear a strip of hide of may back about this, just to get things going, all they'd need to do, is make a tender, no dcc, no sound just a plain tender.
it don't have to be painted, or decorated, etc.
the idea here is IF they go to making RTR locos, or kits even, they gonna have to make a tender anyhow, so, just make that first.
and, to help things out, we SURELY can install the trucks and drawbar and coupler ourselves. I think they'd need to make the trucks themselves too, and there has been discussion about that topic already, what better thing than this to get THAT project back alive.

ok, so, see, if they start off with tenders, just tenders, their start up cost is MUCH lower than an entire loco for one thing and they could recover their investment really fast i'd think.
plus, once they got back their investment etc, and I would hope some profit, then they could afford to start the job of making the loco itself.

now, i'd like to think that since a tender is sort of basically the same kinda thing as a freight car, sorta, from a production standpoint at least I mean, really a tender is just a type of car on trucks.....
I would hope they could sell the thing direct from their shop for under 50 bucks or thereabouts.
for now, don't worry about distribution and dealer discounts and all the things that will come later. sell direct to us and get the books back in the green FIRST.
i'd bet, if we pre order enough, the tender might come in at a 35 dollar price point.
i'm basing this price point off what I know an RTR freight car can be made for by microtrains.
I had 100 cars special made and still have some for sale, so I KNOW that a dollar figure of between 35 and 50 dollars is in the ball park.
ESPECIALLY if it's not painted or decorated.

ok, I can hear the feed back and all that now.
boo hiss, I don't wanna paint it.... and who wants a tender all by itself? and so on and on and on.

well, I tell you, i'd rather it come painted myself, but this is NOT the end game.
the tender project is simply to get part of the whole project done and TO MARKET while keeping the company afloat and profitable etc.
trust me one thing we as modelers DO NOT want is for Sau Juan to take on a boat load of debt and go under.
if we, the HOn3 crowd, really do want more locos and so on, it is imperative that ANYBODY taking on the challenge MAKE money at it.
i'm not saying they need to put it on us and make a ton either.
a fair profit is a fair profit and that's how business works.
anyway, get the thing made and for sale and have it affordable enough everybody can buy one.
and, I encourage EVERYBODY to buy one at least just to help out.
later on, we can get more concerned with paint and decoration .
for now, remember, this is just to get the thing in motion.
as for who needs a tender by itself, well, I see no reason at all there can't be the odd tender sitting next to the engine shed on every layout there is.
maybe the loco is IN the shed getting a major refit, and the tender is outside out of the way.
it's your RR, you make up the story why it's there.

anyway, the thing is, the whole point of the tender by itself is to get the ball rolling for loco production IN the U.S.
those guys are making detail parts IN the U.S. and we can afford those, this is not that much a bigger deal.

and, i'll put my money where my mouth is:
San Juan, if you're reading this, and we're in synch for what you can sell tenders for, i'll take a dozen just to help you get going.

ok, really, it's up to us.
if we as a group, seriously approach the folks at San Juan, show them there IS a market for what we want, pony up a few bucks even, etc.
it can happen.

ok, so I know there will be hurdles when time comes to actually make the loco itself.
motors, gears, drivers, blah blah blah.
those are all bridges we'll need to cross later on.

I say, make a tender, recover the investment, make a few bucks and then take the next step.

thanks for reading.
Kevin.
aka YUKON.


Re: the future of HON3

Ric Case
 

Gents this discussion comes out from time to time, as far as the C-16 yes it’s a great little loco and would fit into many a layout. Some may remember a fellow who was building a model in India took a lot of money from quite a few railroaders but was never able to get any models produced! Lots of good people lost all their investments with no hope of any repayment! I would be happy to have a few more of them as long as they have as much pulling power as the BS. C-19 ! 
I model the EBT and have no need for this loco but I am willing to add a couple more if something comes to fruition! 
Purest I’m not, but I really like the C-16s. 
Would really like to see a nice EBT loco that would fill my needs ! 
I have no idea how many would sell ! 
The bass that were Imported by hallmark are few and far between and expensive when they are available.
For the most part I run my seven teen black stones to save wear on my brass! 
Not the best solution but all have sound and DCC. 
A C-16 would fit into my operating session if it would pull my trains! 
Replacement motors for the westside brass are hard for me to find! I used to use Nwsl motors. 
Not good at finding things on line as replacements ! 
My thoughts! 
Just hoping!  

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton ,Ohio
513 3757694

On Jun 7, 2020, at 6:31 PM, duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:



Bob,

    As you said, this has been discussed before.  But, a couple of new things have developed that weren't present back then.  Maybe they will make a difference.

    About a year ago, at the Sacramento NNGC, Blackstone announced they had broken off dealings with the manufacturer they had been working with.  I believe that is Kader (sp?) who are owned by Bachmann, or who own Bachmann.  At any rate my understanding was that Kader would make the items (locos and cars) for Blackstone, but Bachmann couldn't compete.  So, Bachmann never entered the HOn3 market.

    They did use the drawings, etc. and produced both a K-27 and a C-19 in G scale (Fn3) that were identical to the Blackstone models in HOn3.

    When Blackstone ended their manufacturing relationship with Kader, that would seem to change things.

    At the convention, when I found out about this change I immediately went over to the Bachmann booth and asked if they knew anything about it.  They said they did not.  I related what I had read and been told at the Blackstone booth.  I asked them to check it out and if it was true, might they now consider entering the HOn3 market?  The gentleman I talked to said he'd check it out.  Notice that Blackstone has said they would keep us informed of developments.  It has been almost a year and we have heard nothing new from them.

    At the TCA show here in Denver in March I again went to the Bachmann booth and asked them about the possibility of Bachmann doing something in HOn3.  That gentleman said they would not.  That the market was not nearly big enough.

    I would dispute that claim, because Blackstone was able to sell enough locos to meet the requirements for production.  They ran three releases of K-27's IIRC, and two releases of C-19's.  I know Blackstone had told us (at Caboose Hobbies where I worked at the time) that they needed to sell as many models in a run as Athern, Atlas, Intermountain, Bachmann, or any of the other manufacturing companies had to sell.  And that that number was about 3500 copies.  If that is true, then Blackstone was able to sell something like 10,500 K-27's and 7,000 C-19's.

    So, my thinking is the best bet for new HOn3 locos may yet be Bachmann.  They have the factory that has done that kind of thing before.  There is, now, no agreement existing that keeps them from such a move.  They just need to hear from enough of us that there is a market that is not being met.  And a C-16 would be an ideal loco to produce.  Because I think it is just about the only thing that would have enough sales to warrant a run.  It was the iconic narrow gauge loco.  (Despite Blackstone's claim that the K-27 was the iconic narrow gauge loco!!!)  The C-16 was used by more roads than any other and in numbers exceeding any other design.  A K-28, or K-36 is nice.  But they are large; only used by one, or two roads; numbered about ten of each; were modern in design.  So, for old time, small layouts, of different roads, not of much interest.

    C-16's were used  extensively by the D&RG(W), RGS, DSP&P, DL&G, C&S, SRR, SN, SG&N, W&W, WP&Y and many others.  They were first built in the late 1800s, so fit for early modelers.  They were small, so better fit those with small layouts.  They were used in passenger, freight, logging operations and as switchers, so fit many layouts in those areas.  They lasted into modern times and three still exist, so fit for those modeling modern narrow gauge roads.  I think no loco better fits narrow gauge modeling.  Yet, no one has made a r-t-r model.

    Long answer to you question, but I hope it had some info and ideas that are helpful!

                                                                                                                                                            Duncan Harvey



Re: the future of HON3

duncan
 

Bob,

    As you said, this has been discussed before.  But, a couple of new things have developed that weren't present back then.  Maybe they will make a difference.

    About a year ago, at the Sacramento NNGC, Blackstone announced they had broken off dealings with the manufacturer they had been working with.  I believe that is Kader (sp?) who are owned by Bachmann, or who own Bachmann.  At any rate my understanding was that Kader would make the items (locos and cars) for Blackstone, but Bachmann couldn't compete.  So, Bachmann never entered the HOn3 market.

    They did use the drawings, etc. and produced both a K-27 and a C-19 in G scale (Fn3) that were identical to the Blackstone models in HOn3.

    When Blackstone ended their manufacturing relationship with Kader, that would seem to change things.

    At the convention, when I found out about this change I immediately went over to the Bachmann booth and asked if they knew anything about it.  They said they did not.  I related what I had read and been told at the Blackstone booth.  I asked them to check it out and if it was true, might they now consider entering the HOn3 market?  The gentleman I talked to said he'd check it out.  Notice that Blackstone has said they would keep us informed of developments.  It has been almost a year and we have heard nothing new from them.

    At the TCA show here in Denver in March I again went to the Bachmann booth and asked them about the possibility of Bachmann doing something in HOn3.  That gentleman said they would not.  That the market was not nearly big enough.

    I would dispute that claim, because Blackstone was able to sell enough locos to meet the requirements for production.  They ran three releases of K-27's IIRC, and two releases of C-19's.  I know Blackstone had told us (at Caboose Hobbies where I worked at the time) that they needed to sell as many models in a run as Athern, Atlas, Intermountain, Bachmann, or any of the other manufacturing companies had to sell.  And that that number was about 3500 copies.  If that is true, then Blackstone was able to sell something like 10,500 K-27's and 7,000 C-19's.

    So, my thinking is the best bet for new HOn3 locos may yet be Bachmann.  They have the factory that has done that kind of thing before.  There is, now, no agreement existing that keeps them from such a move.  They just need to hear from enough of us that there is a market that is not being met.  And a C-16 would be an ideal loco to produce.  Because I think it is just about the only thing that would have enough sales to warrant a run.  It was the iconic narrow gauge loco.  (Despite Blackstone's claim that the K-27 was the iconic narrow gauge loco!!!)  The C-16 was used by more roads than any other and in numbers exceeding any other design.  A K-28, or K-36 is nice.  But they are large; only used by one, or two roads; numbered about ten of each; were modern in design.  So, for old time, small layouts, of different roads, not of much interest.

    C-16's were used  extensively by the D&RG(W), RGS, DSP&P, DL&G, C&S, SRR, SN, SG&N, W&W, WP&Y and many others.  They were first built in the late 1800s, so fit for early modelers.  They were small, so better fit those with small layouts.  They were used in passenger, freight, logging operations and as switchers, so fit many layouts in those areas.  They lasted into modern times and three still exist, so fit for those modeling modern narrow gauge roads.  I think no loco better fits narrow gauge modeling.  Yet, no one has made a r-t-r model.

    Long answer to you question, but I hope it had some info and ideas that are helpful!

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Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' Turntable

Scott McLeod
 

Greetings everyone,

 

I hope this email finds everyone safe and well.

 

In the not so distant future, I’ll begin working on the D&RGW Ouray branch on my HOn3 layout of the Rio Grande Southern.  Having already built a couple of Diamond Scale 65’ girder turntables and being pleased with their quality, I’m contemplating kit-bashing their 51’ Wood Timber Truss turntables into a representation of the small 50’ girder turntable that the D&RGW had located in Ouray.

 

http://www.diamond-scale.com/images/TT060.jpg

 

Does anyone have any experience with this turntable kit and if so, their impressions on the kits ability to fulfill my needs?   Thanks in advance for all replies.

 

Scott McLeod

HOn3 RGS/D&RGW Ridgway - Durango


the future of HON3

Robert Veefkind
 

I wonder if ho narrow gauge will expand any time soon. The lack of reliable motive power is of real concern and even the Blackstone k-27s and c-19s are semi dated and scarce. The brass stuff on ebay is mostly hit and run with many dogs. Also very expensive -example a Sunset c-16 for 500-$600. Some of those had problems that would really discourage folks attempting to start a layout. I will never buy a brass loco again that was owner painted after cleaning out the caked paint under the driver bearings and springs from the last one.
The Blackstone stuff was a real boon for us, ready to run and excellent sound. I wonder what it would cost to get them back in business ? I know Soundtraxx said there wasn't enough interest for the added expense. But if folks are willing to pay $600 for a reliable Westside k-27, how many would pony up more than that for a new k-36 ready to go with sound?. I know this subject had been beat to death and I shouldn't bring it up again but there it is.       Sorry       Bob Veefkind


HO House under construction kit Bargain priced.

Darryl Huffman
 

Attached are photos of a new kit by Train Time Models

Price is $16.95 and is the easiest kit I have ever built.

Everything fit perfectly.





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Re: an interesting supplier

brian_budeit
 

John,

I've purchaced some 8x16 motors from them at a very fair price, and they operate quite well, as well as a Faulhaber. Just finished a very small 17 ton mogul, and the smaller the motor I could fit, the more weight I could add for traction. Finished model won't pull the paint off the walls, but handles a coach and combine or a short freight without any problems.

brian b

On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 02:15:03 PM EDT, John Stutz <john.stutz@...> wrote:


About a month ago someone mentioned Tramfabriek <https://www.tramfabriek.nl/#!/~/>, as a supplier of small (6,  7, & 8)mm diameter coreless motors, and associated drive parts.  Today I was looking over their web site, and noticed a name associated with Nigel Laughton, another premier supplier of very small drive components.  This was Brian Madge , who maintained a site at <" data-mce-href="http://www.madge00n3.co.uk/index.htm>">http://www.madge00n3.co.uk/index.htm>, primarily focused on very small 4mm scale, 9 and 12mm gauge, industrial locomotive modeling. It appears that Mr Madge's site was last updated in 2016, and he mentions health problems limiting production, so he may no longer be actively trading.  But there are some ideas illustrated here which may be of interest to those modeling small steam and diesel critters in HOn3.

Note: My mail service has trouble with locating both web sites.  However cut and past into a new tab has worked for both.

John Stutz

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