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Re: the future of HON3

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Isn't this the same posting that was posted a few days ago?

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Subject: Re: [HOn3] the future of HON3



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:42 PM duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Bob,

    As you said, this has been discussed before.  But, a couple of new things have developed that weren't present back then.  Maybe they will make a difference.

    About a year ago, at the Sacramento NNGC, Blackstone announced they had broken off dealings with the manufacturer they had been working with.  I believe that is Kader (sp?) who are owned by Bachmann, or who own Bachmann.  At any rate my understanding was that Kader would make the items (locos and cars) for Blackstone, but Bachmann couldn't compete.  So, Bachmann never entered the HOn3 market.

    They did use the drawings, etc. and produced both a K-27 and a C-19 in G scale (Fn3) that were identical to the Blackstone models in HOn3.

    When Blackstone ended their manufacturing relationship with Kader, that would seem to change things.

    At the convention, when I found out about this change I immediately went over to the Bachmann booth and asked if they knew anything about it.  They said they did not.  I related what I had read and been told at the Blackstone booth.  I asked them to check it out and if it was true, might they now consider entering the HOn3 market?  The gentleman I talked to said he'd check it out.  Notice that Blackstone has said they would keep us informed of developments.  It has been almost a year and we have heard nothing new from them.

    At the TCA show here in Denver in March I again went to the Bachmann booth and asked them about the possibility of Bachmann doing something in HOn3.  That gentleman said they would not.  That the market was not nearly big enough.

    I would dispute that claim, because Blackstone was able to sell enough locos to meet the requirements for production.  They ran three releases of K-27's IIRC, and two releases of C-19's.  I know Blackstone had told us (at Caboose Hobbies where I worked at the time) that they needed to sell as many models in a run as Athern, Atlas, Intermountain, Bachmann, or any of the other manufacturing companies had to sell.  And that that number was about 3500 copies.  If that is true, then Blackstone was able to sell something like 10,500 K-27's and 7,000 C-19's.

    So, my thinking is the best bet for new HOn3 locos may yet be Bachmann.  They have the factory that has done that kind of thing before.  There is, now, no agreement existing that keeps them from such a move.  They just need to hear from enough of us that there is a market that is not being met.  And a C-16 would be an ideal loco to produce.  Because I think it is just about the only thing that would have enough sales to warrant a run.  It was the iconic narrow gauge loco.  (Despite Blackstone's claim that the K-27 was the iconic narrow gauge loco!!!)  The C-16 was used by more roads than any other and in numbers exceeding any other design.  A K-28, or K-36 is nice.  But they are large; only used by one, or two roads; numbered about ten of each; were modern in design.  So, for old time, small layouts, of different roads, not of much interest.

    C-16's were used  extensively by the D&RG(W), RGS, DSP&P, DL&G, C&S, SRR, SN, SG&N, W&W, WP&Y and many others.  They were first built in the late 1800s, so fit for early modelers.  They were small, so better fit those with small layouts.  They were used in passenger, freight, logging operations and as switchers, so fit many layouts in those areas.  They lasted into modern times and three still exist, so fit for those modeling modern narrow gauge roads.  I think no loco better fits narrow gauge modeling.  Yet, no one has made a r-t-r model.

    Long answer to you question, but I hope it had some info and ideas that are helpful!

                                                                                                                                                            Duncan Harvey



Re: the future of HON3

Gordon <boomer1944@...>
 

For those who have seen pictures of Teds modern narrow gauge layout know he knows what he is talking about. I entirely agree with him. Modern reliable running narrow gauge diesel locomotives might bring some converts over to ng. I've tinkered with many a loco to get it running right, detailing and etc. but at this point in my life I don't want to do that anymore. A RTR loco out of the box appeals. I model HOn30 so a switch to HOn3 would be easy if I wanted to.

Gordon Spalty


Re: the future of HON3

Randy Hees
 

The hobby,specifically HOn3, but also model railroading in general has changed since I started in the 1960's...  Back then there was no ready to run anything or track... you hand laid track, you built wood kits... LaBelle still offers wood kits, does anyone build them anymore?  there were brass locomotives which needed painting... this was part of the charm... it was a builder's scale.  

More and better kits were offered (the Railline box car was amazing) More brass locomotives, some painted.  Grandt did a 25 ton GE diesel with a micromotor drive which was the best running thing available... Then MDC did the two 2-8-0's.... Shinohara offered track...   You still had to build things but there were more things to build...

Blackstone changed the game... as did MMM.... but with that, many joined the hobby that did not want to build in the way we did earlier... and scratch building supplies (castings, wood, paint, drivers, motors got harder to get.

It's not Grandt or anyone's responsibility to offer a cheap locomotive... Athern has the right to offer the MDC 2-8-0's but apparently doesn't see a viable market.   Regularly here on this group, and on other similar groups people lament that they no one offers a (pick an obscure railroad) locomotive or car... but in reality the market isn't there.  Some have tried... 20 years ago Railway Engineering offered a Carter Brothers box car kit....   They made several hundred and saturated the market... If not for a sponsor who wanted that kit it wouldn't have happened and if not for that sponsor's dollars it would have been a financial disaster... 

This isn't just HOn3...  We don't have Athern blue box kits anymore in HO... HO locomotives, primarily diesels (because that is the market) now cost well above $100 but come with DCC and sound (or don't sell well)  New brass is close to unaffordable (a company was proposing offering HOn3 SPng locomotives... really nice highly detailed but priced at $2,500...    If there is a possible bright side it is 3d printing...  but with 3d you still need mechanisms...  Which are still available via NWSL, but we nearly lost them a while back...  Much of the old "no longer available" stuff shows up at train shows... but there is a finite supply... 

In some ways we get exactly what we deserve... 

Randy Hees



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:01 PM Bill Nelson <dgccandwrr@...> wrote:
Not  surprised.  I  don’t  thinks  it’s  going  to  be  a  mass  market .     I  built  a  couple  MDC 2-8-0s,  built  a  Keystone/NWSL Shay,  bought   a  con  door  goose,  ,  and  a  blackstone  C-19. most  of  my  power  is  old  brass,  and  most  of  it  had  to  be  reworked  to  get  it  to  behave  properly .  got  no  interest  in  Ks,  as  I  model  a  fictional  eastern  outfit ,    This  is what  us  old  time  Hon3 modelers  did,  and I  probably  have  enough  locomotives  now,  after  54 years.  Y’all  might  not  have  that  much  patience , but  it  has  been  fun.


The  tiny  stuff,  would  be  of  the  greatest  interest  to  me.  but  I  seriously  doubt  that  will  happen.   
On Jun 7, 2020, at 10:36 PM, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:

well fellers, I've had an idea bout the HOn3 market for some time.
here goes:
I think, first of all, over seas production is sort of the problem.
yes, I know it's cheap and alla that.
but, what I think could work, is for the folks who bought Grantd line to step up to the plate.
ok, right now i'm sure they have enough to deal with just getting detail parts etc made and shipped and so on.
however, seeing as how they have, in house, pretty much everything it takes to produce train parts and bits and so on, i'm talking injection mold machines, and I would imagine they have some mold making ability and or access to getting new molds made or old ones repaired etc.
so, IF they'd take on the task, I think given some time and support from us, they could produce some version of an affordable RTR HOn3 loco.
for my money, i'd be tickled pink to get a 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0 or 2-8-0 or...……………..
what i'm saying is, i'm not particular.
start small, work up...…

ok, in my opinion, the thing to do to get the ball rolling so to speak, without taking on the WHOLE task of a complete loco all at once, would be to start with the simplest portion of the loco, which is the tender.
ok, so, please don't tear a strip of hide of may back about this, just to get things going, all they'd need to do, is make a tender, no dcc, no sound just a plain tender.
it don't have to be painted, or decorated, etc.
the idea here is IF they go to making RTR locos, or kits even, they gonna have to make a tender anyhow, so, just make that first.
and, to help things out, we SURELY can install the trucks and drawbar and coupler ourselves. I think they'd need to make the trucks themselves too, and there has been discussion about that topic already, what better thing than this to get THAT project back alive.

ok, so, see, if they start off with tenders, just tenders, their start up cost is MUCH lower than an entire loco for one thing and they could recover their investment really fast i'd think.
plus, once they got back their investment etc, and I would hope some profit, then they could afford to start the job of making the loco itself.

now, i'd like to think that since a tender is sort of basically the same kinda thing as a freight car, sorta, from a production standpoint at least I mean, really a tender is just a type of car on trucks.....
I would hope they could sell the thing direct from their shop for under 50 bucks or thereabouts.
for now, don't worry about distribution and dealer discounts and all the things that will come later. sell direct to us and get the books back in the green FIRST.
i'd bet, if we pre order enough, the tender might come in at a 35 dollar price point.
i'm basing this price point off what I know an RTR freight car can be made for by microtrains.
I had 100 cars special made and still have some for sale, so I KNOW that a dollar figure of between 35 and 50 dollars is in the ball park.
ESPECIALLY if it's not painted or decorated.

ok, I can hear the feed back and all that now.
boo hiss, I don't wanna paint it.... and who wants a tender all by itself? and so on and on and on.

well, I tell you, i'd rather it come painted myself, but this is NOT the end game.
the tender project is simply to get part of the whole project done and TO MARKET while keeping the company afloat and profitable etc.
trust me one thing we as modelers DO NOT want is for Sau Juan to take on a boat load of debt and go under.
if we, the HOn3 crowd, really do want more locos and so on, it is imperative that ANYBODY taking on the challenge MAKE money at it.
i'm not saying they need to put it on us and make a ton either.
a fair profit is a fair profit and that's how business works.
anyway, get the thing made and for sale and have it affordable enough everybody can buy one.
and, I encourage EVERYBODY to buy one at least just to help out.
later on, we can get more concerned with paint and decoration .
for now, remember, this is just to get the thing in motion.
as for who needs a tender by itself, well, I see no reason at all there can't be the odd tender sitting next to the engine shed on every layout there is.
maybe the loco is IN the shed getting a major refit, and the tender is outside out of the way.
it's your RR, you make up the story why it's there.

anyway, the thing is, the whole point of the tender by itself is to get the ball rolling for loco production IN the U.S.
those guys are making detail parts IN the U.S. and we can afford those, this is not that much a bigger deal.

and, i'll put my money where my mouth is:
San Juan, if you're reading this, and we're in synch for what you can sell tenders for, i'll take a dozen just to help you get going.

ok, really, it's up to us.
if we as a group, seriously approach the folks at San Juan, show them there IS a market for what we want, pony up a few bucks even, etc.
it can happen.

ok, so I know there will be hurdles when time comes to actually make the loco itself.
motors, gears, drivers, blah blah blah.
those are all bridges we'll need to cross later on.

I say, make a tender, recover the investment, make a few bucks and then take the next step.

thanks for reading.
Kevin.
aka YUKON.


Re: the future of HON3

Paul Sturtz
 

You hit the nail on the head, Ted.  I converted 38 Bachmann 44 and 70 ton diesels to HOn3 and sold 36 of them, most on ebay.  They sometimes sold in less than 4 hours after listing, and sold for as much as $455!  I would still be producing them if the NWSL kits and the old style Bachmann 70t trucks were still available.  I know most HOn3 modelers are diehard steam fans but I would bet that most of them would buy a reasonably priced small DCC/sound diesel if for no other reason than curiosity.  They could be produced for much less than a steam loco and the technology is already there and proven.  Just check out the sound equipped N-Scale standard gauge diesels, you will be amazed.  I would recommend the US Potash 70t diesels as a start.  A simple body with six axles for good pickup.  A US Army Whitcom version would be another.

Paul


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Climax@...
 

$132.95

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From: Dusty
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Subject: Re: [HOn3] Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Is there a MSRP for the 1/87 versions?

Dusty Burman 


Re: the future of HON3

Mark Lewis
 

Ted, 

That is an interesting idea. Not sure it will fly, but definitely thinking outside the box. 

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 9:24 AM TED via groups.io <MECU18B=AOL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
    I just have to say this,and im sure im going to be the bad guy here. In order to attract younger modelers its time for someone to take the leap and produce........a diesel.  GASP! OMG!  Lets face it, steam is not for everyone. Even the real railroads see it. Look at the new diesels that the Durango & Silverton is buying along with the WP&Y Alcos.  US gypsum wide cabs. And of course the group of new units the White Pass is buying. A DL535 is the logical choice. Just try to buy a brass one. They routinely sell for over $1000 . And if they were to produce a standard cab version, it wouldn't be difficult to add a wide cab. Since Durango & Silverton will be running them down here (along with another pair next year) it might just sell.
   Narrow gauge has been passed on by many modelers because of a couple reasons. Difficulty of finding equipment and the fact that its mostly has been frozen in time. If you want to model what you see now you just can not.  Unless you want to modify some 70 tonner you cant find anything unless you go O scale. I model mid 70s with lots of EBT steel hoppers. And because of the small radius I pack alot more into my space than my standard gauge friends. Everyone likes that fact. But when they find out they can only get steam they move right along. I tell people it the most popular scale except the trains and track are smaller. The best of both world but once again we come back to rolling stock availability.
  Now ive heard someone was interested in doing a dl535 but it might of been just smoke. But here is hoping the a MFG reads this and makes HOn3 as popular as On30 has become.


Re: the future of HON3

TED <MECU18B@...>
 

    I just have to say this,and im sure im going to be the bad guy here. In order to attract younger modelers its time for someone to take the leap and produce........a diesel.  GASP! OMG!  Lets face it, steam is not for everyone. Even the real railroads see it. Look at the new diesels that the Durango & Silverton is buying along with the WP&Y Alcos.  US gypsum wide cabs. And of course the group of new units the White Pass is buying. A DL535 is the logical choice. Just try to buy a brass one. They routinely sell for over $1000 . And if they were to produce a standard cab version, it wouldn't be difficult to add a wide cab. Since Durango & Silverton will be running them down here (along with another pair next year) it might just sell.
   Narrow gauge has been passed on by many modelers because of a couple reasons. Difficulty of finding equipment and the fact that its mostly has been frozen in time. If you want to model what you see now you just can not.  Unless you want to modify some 70 tonner you cant find anything unless you go O scale. I model mid 70s with lots of EBT steel hoppers. And because of the small radius I pack alot more into my space than my standard gauge friends. Everyone likes that fact. But when they find out they can only get steam they move right along. I tell people it the most popular scale except the trains and track are smaller. The best of both world but once again we come back to rolling stock availability.
  Now ive heard someone was interested in doing a dl535 but it might of been just smoke. But here is hoping the a MFG reads this and makes HOn3 as popular as On30 has become.


Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' turntable

Scott McLeod
 

Thanks for your response and providing the photos Jefe,

 

It looks like the turntable will fill the need as a basis for my project.  I plan on carving away most of the pit walls since the turntable was elevated from most of the surrounding terrain.  I’ll also be using the Diamond manual control system.  To me, having to align it by hand gives a little more of a representation of the manual Armstrong method that the railroad employed.

 

Scott McLeod

HOn3 RGS/D&RGW Ridgway - Durango


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Good news then. Thanks for the information. I look forward to getting mine. As for the Blackstone K's, there has been an update on the BS site as a result of the Covid -19 pandemic. Moving to a new factoryin China is mentioned as are the K's. But nothing in the immediate future.
Mark K
Oxon England.


Re: the future of HON3

Bill Nelson
 

Not  surprised.  I  don’t  thinks  it’s  going  to  be  a  mass  market .     I  built  a  couple  MDC 2-8-0s,  built  a  Keystone/NWSL Shay,  bought   a  con  door  goose,  ,  and  a  blackstone  C-19. most  of  my  power  is  old  brass,  and  most  of  it  had  to  be  reworked  to  get  it  to  behave  properly .  got  no  interest  in  Ks,  as  I  model  a  fictional  eastern  outfit ,    This  is what  us  old  time  Hon3 modelers  did,  and I  probably  have  enough  locomotives  now,  after  54 years.  Y’all  might  not  have  that  much  patience , but  it  has  been  fun.


The  tiny  stuff,  would  be  of  the  greatest  interest  to  me.  but  I  seriously  doubt  that  will  happen.   

On Jun 7, 2020, at 10:36 PM, kevin b via groups.io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:

well fellers, I've had an idea bout the HOn3 market for some time.
here goes:
I think, first of all, over seas production is sort of the problem.
yes, I know it's cheap and alla that.
but, what I think could work, is for the folks who bought Grantd line to step up to the plate.
ok, right now i'm sure they have enough to deal with just getting detail parts etc made and shipped and so on.
however, seeing as how they have, in house, pretty much everything it takes to produce train parts and bits and so on, i'm talking injection mold machines, and I would imagine they have some mold making ability and or access to getting new molds made or old ones repaired etc.
so, IF they'd take on the task, I think given some time and support from us, they could produce some version of an affordable RTR HOn3 loco.
for my money, i'd be tickled pink to get a 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0 or 2-8-0 or...……………..
what i'm saying is, i'm not particular.
start small, work up...…

ok, in my opinion, the thing to do to get the ball rolling so to speak, without taking on the WHOLE task of a complete loco all at once, would be to start with the simplest portion of the loco, which is the tender.
ok, so, please don't tear a strip of hide of may back about this, just to get things going, all they'd need to do, is make a tender, no dcc, no sound just a plain tender.
it don't have to be painted, or decorated, etc.
the idea here is IF they go to making RTR locos, or kits even, they gonna have to make a tender anyhow, so, just make that first.
and, to help things out, we SURELY can install the trucks and drawbar and coupler ourselves. I think they'd need to make the trucks themselves too, and there has been discussion about that topic already, what better thing than this to get THAT project back alive.

ok, so, see, if they start off with tenders, just tenders, their start up cost is MUCH lower than an entire loco for one thing and they could recover their investment really fast i'd think.
plus, once they got back their investment etc, and I would hope some profit, then they could afford to start the job of making the loco itself.

now, i'd like to think that since a tender is sort of basically the same kinda thing as a freight car, sorta, from a production standpoint at least I mean, really a tender is just a type of car on trucks.....
I would hope they could sell the thing direct from their shop for under 50 bucks or thereabouts.
for now, don't worry about distribution and dealer discounts and all the things that will come later. sell direct to us and get the books back in the green FIRST.
i'd bet, if we pre order enough, the tender might come in at a 35 dollar price point.
i'm basing this price point off what I know an RTR freight car can be made for by microtrains.
I had 100 cars special made and still have some for sale, so I KNOW that a dollar figure of between 35 and 50 dollars is in the ball park.
ESPECIALLY if it's not painted or decorated.

ok, I can hear the feed back and all that now.
boo hiss, I don't wanna paint it.... and who wants a tender all by itself? and so on and on and on.

well, I tell you, i'd rather it come painted myself, but this is NOT the end game.
the tender project is simply to get part of the whole project done and TO MARKET while keeping the company afloat and profitable etc.
trust me one thing we as modelers DO NOT want is for Sau Juan to take on a boat load of debt and go under.
if we, the HOn3 crowd, really do want more locos and so on, it is imperative that ANYBODY taking on the challenge MAKE money at it.
i'm not saying they need to put it on us and make a ton either.
a fair profit is a fair profit and that's how business works.
anyway, get the thing made and for sale and have it affordable enough everybody can buy one.
and, I encourage EVERYBODY to buy one at least just to help out.
later on, we can get more concerned with paint and decoration .
for now, remember, this is just to get the thing in motion.
as for who needs a tender by itself, well, I see no reason at all there can't be the odd tender sitting next to the engine shed on every layout there is.
maybe the loco is IN the shed getting a major refit, and the tender is outside out of the way.
it's your RR, you make up the story why it's there.

anyway, the thing is, the whole point of the tender by itself is to get the ball rolling for loco production IN the U.S.
those guys are making detail parts IN the U.S. and we can afford those, this is not that much a bigger deal.

and, i'll put my money where my mouth is:
San Juan, if you're reading this, and we're in synch for what you can sell tenders for, i'll take a dozen just to help you get going.

ok, really, it's up to us.
if we as a group, seriously approach the folks at San Juan, show them there IS a market for what we want, pony up a few bucks even, etc.
it can happen.

ok, so I know there will be hurdles when time comes to actually make the loco itself.
motors, gears, drivers, blah blah blah.
those are all bridges we'll need to cross later on.

I say, make a tender, recover the investment, make a few bucks and then take the next step.

thanks for reading.
Kevin.
aka YUKON.


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Mark Lewis
 

Dusty,

If I recall, in the original advertising for the CONOCO tank cars (the reservation information)  from SJM Co, about 2 years ago, they indicated $89.95 each for the HOn3 versions.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:37 PM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Is there a MSRP for the 1/87 versions?

Dusty Burman 


Re: the future of HON3

Dave Trimble
 



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:42 PM duncan <train3guy@...> wrote:

Bob,

    As you said, this has been discussed before.  But, a couple of new things have developed that weren't present back then.  Maybe they will make a difference.

    About a year ago, at the Sacramento NNGC, Blackstone announced they had broken off dealings with the manufacturer they had been working with.  I believe that is Kader (sp?) who are owned by Bachmann, or who own Bachmann.  At any rate my understanding was that Kader would make the items (locos and cars) for Blackstone, but Bachmann couldn't compete.  So, Bachmann never entered the HOn3 market.

    They did use the drawings, etc. and produced both a K-27 and a C-19 in G scale (Fn3) that were identical to the Blackstone models in HOn3.

    When Blackstone ended their manufacturing relationship with Kader, that would seem to change things.

    At the convention, when I found out about this change I immediately went over to the Bachmann booth and asked if they knew anything about it.  They said they did not.  I related what I had read and been told at the Blackstone booth.  I asked them to check it out and if it was true, might they now consider entering the HOn3 market?  The gentleman I talked to said he'd check it out.  Notice that Blackstone has said they would keep us informed of developments.  It has been almost a year and we have heard nothing new from them.

    At the TCA show here in Denver in March I again went to the Bachmann booth and asked them about the possibility of Bachmann doing something in HOn3.  That gentleman said they would not.  That the market was not nearly big enough.

    I would dispute that claim, because Blackstone was able to sell enough locos to meet the requirements for production.  They ran three releases of K-27's IIRC, and two releases of C-19's.  I know Blackstone had told us (at Caboose Hobbies where I worked at the time) that they needed to sell as many models in a run as Athern, Atlas, Intermountain, Bachmann, or any of the other manufacturing companies had to sell.  And that that number was about 3500 copies.  If that is true, then Blackstone was able to sell something like 10,500 K-27's and 7,000 C-19's.

    So, my thinking is the best bet for new HOn3 locos may yet be Bachmann.  They have the factory that has done that kind of thing before.  There is, now, no agreement existing that keeps them from such a move.  They just need to hear from enough of us that there is a market that is not being met.  And a C-16 would be an ideal loco to produce.  Because I think it is just about the only thing that would have enough sales to warrant a run.  It was the iconic narrow gauge loco.  (Despite Blackstone's claim that the K-27 was the iconic narrow gauge loco!!!)  The C-16 was used by more roads than any other and in numbers exceeding any other design.  A K-28, or K-36 is nice.  But they are large; only used by one, or two roads; numbered about ten of each; were modern in design.  So, for old time, small layouts, of different roads, not of much interest.

    C-16's were used  extensively by the D&RG(W), RGS, DSP&P, DL&G, C&S, SRR, SN, SG&N, W&W, WP&Y and many others.  They were first built in the late 1800s, so fit for early modelers.  They were small, so better fit those with small layouts.  They were used in passenger, freight, logging operations and as switchers, so fit many layouts in those areas.  They lasted into modern times and three still exist, so fit for those modeling modern narrow gauge roads.  I think no loco better fits narrow gauge modeling.  Yet, no one has made a r-t-r model.

    Long answer to you question, but I hope it had some info and ideas that are helpful!

                                                                                                                                                            Duncan Harvey



Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dusty
 

Is there a MSRP for the 1/87 versions?

Dusty Burman 


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dale Buxton
 

RIVIT not river. Stupid auto correct!

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 19:41 Dale Buxton via groups.io <dbtuathaddana=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
At the TCA event in Denver, I was shown a river pattern flaw on the On3 versions dome. So that die had to be re-cut. All of this was before the pandemic started to hit the USA hard. It was already effecting the manufacturing industry in China and San Juan had been informed of that issue. 

Dale Buxton

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 17:15 Ted Wilton <twilton@...> wrote:
The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Dale Buxton
 

At the TCA event in Denver, I was shown a river pattern flaw on the On3 versions dome. So that die had to be re-cut. All of this was before the pandemic started to hit the USA hard. It was already effecting the manufacturing industry in China and San Juan had been informed of that issue. 

Dale Buxton

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 17:15 Ted Wilton <twilton@...> wrote:
The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

duncan
 

Mark,

    The tall domed tank cars are doing fine.  They brought one of the test runs to the TCA show here in Denver and ran it the club's layout (The Near Sighted Narrow Gaugers).  The car was unpainted, but ran fine, tracked well, had super details, coupled and uncoupled just fine.  They are very busy getting the shop set up and in production.  Different machines doing similar jobs from the various companies they have taken over.  so, a learning cure for each machine.  Then the covid restrictions and all.  Last I heard they were on track for delivery later this year.  Talk about not hearing anything.  We haven't had any sort of update from Blackstone on their search for a new factory and the production of the K28's and K-36's for almost a year now!

                                                            Duncan Harvey


Re: Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' Turntable

Jeff Reynolds
 

Here's a pic showing the Peco girders. They are a bit short so I added some material to make them come over the rollers. You can't easlily see them with the deck on. 
jefe


Re: Kit-bash of Diamond Scale 51' Turntable

Jeff Reynolds
 
Edited

Scott, I built a 50' TT for Ridgway using the DS 51' kit's base and hardware using my bashed deck and a Peco 100' N scale TT kit for the girders. I too am doing Ouray in HOn3 with code 40 rail, the original 3-way stub in 40 and if i can find another DS kit, another 50' TT at Ouray. Here it is before the railing, turn handles and approach tracks. I too am doing Ouray and have the space.
If i can find another kit I will build one for Ouray, all in code 40 including all stub switches in code 40 including a 3-way stub that was on the original track plan. My 319 will be happy to make the Montrose/Ouray turn.
jefe


Re: Is the tall Domed Doomed?

Ted Wilton
 

The word I got when I went to the Sacramento NG convention was that the cars were to be manufactured in China, and the On3 versions were to be the first to actually arrive in the US. We also talked about the uncertainty of production scheduling inherent with overseas production.

Ted
Spanish Springs NV


Re: the future of HON3

 

Kevin,

If you look at www.westernrails.com they have at least three HOn3 tenders that are 3D printed.  One is a ET&WNC tender and the other two are D&RGW, 0470 (ex-Uintah) water car and W462 water car made from K-27 tender.  I believe these are all below $50 in cost.

Bruce Dunlevy

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