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Fiest train at last

Steve Hatch
 

Well I just finished wiring and ran a a work train all the way around the new addition.
I started building the building to put this 20x20 room addition on to my 26x20 garage in July of 2019
and I finished the building and built the new framing and hand layed the code 55 rail
all the way around and just now ran a train over the whole line.
 Phew.   I'm a month ahead of where I thought I'd be.
Im tired now so I'll take some pics of the new track with a train on it tomorrow.
The guys come to operate tomorrow so there will be trains on it. The RR is NOW 20 by 46 feet.
Thousands and thousands or spikes.  Little bitty itty bitty spikes that bend.

Last rush today getting the 5 turnouts in that are on the main line and then wiring all.
This hiding in place has given the "build" a boost.
Stephen Hatch


Re: Stoner Creel

rohman@...
 

Hi Guys
 
Prior to this thread I hadn’t heard of Stoner Creek. Thanks for the info you have all posted. I take it that Stoner Creek is still in business. I have looked up his website and come up with a site that seems last updated in 2006.
 
Does he have a more up to date site?
 
Thanks, Jim


Re: Stoner Creel

rohman@...
 

Hi Guys
 
Prior to this thread I hadn’t heard of Stoner Creek. Thanks for the info you have all posted. I take it that Stoner Creek is still in business. I have looked up his website and come up with a site that seems last updated in 2006.
 
Does he have a more up to date site?
 
Thanks, Jim Rohman


Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

Dale Buxton
 

What an excellent idea! The layout tours are my favorite partIf the conventions.

Dale Buxton

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:23 Steven Haworth <haworth7@...> wrote:
So - how about a virtual 40th then?  At least we could have a photo display of models, and (ideally) some video layout tours.  I'd like that.
And we could still have something to 'call' the 40th convention.

- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Feel free. But you need to know that all the committees following the 40th designed our logos years ago, we have websites reserved, etc, etc.

Therefore, Hickory is the 41st, Seattle is the 42nd and mine in Denver is the 43rd and that really is the end of it. It was discussed and it is not going to change.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 10:06 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I'll have to disagree. From a math stand point, you don't count something that didn't happen.
We can discuss over scotch next year
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM, claneon30
Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
-- 
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
--------------------------------------------------
Web: https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TiadaghtonValleyRailroad/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVJMoICFWw9Muse6xm8moiQ





Re: A form of art

Mike Williams
 

Don:

I had the pleasure to visit your great RGS layout several years ago with my oldest son and my father (who lives in Holland). It is indeed a work of art! Your work continues to inspire my own version. 

Regarding Art Prize, you should go for it!

Appreciate your contributions!

Mike Williams 

On May 28, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Don Bergman <DBRenegade@...> wrote:


Ed,

Thanks for you comments.  Spot on.  I have long considered my layout a work of art.  When a visitor walks in looks around and leaves with little appreciation for what they have seen ( it's rare but it does happen)  I assume they would do the same in an art museum.

A don't know it you have heard of "Art Prize" in Grand Rapids MI, but I have had many visitors tell me to enter it into the competition.  But moving it in a timely fashion is not feasible.  🙂

A 3d animated sculpture.

Don Bergman


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 5:17 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED
 
For most model railroaders the hobby has a big social element in it. The cultural effect of the pandemic has hurt that.  I think it's good to talk about it and share positive thoughts on what comes next.  But it's a dreary subject.
One direction I think will sooth the hurts will be to explore the artistic side of our hobby.  Artists have, for millennia past, been working in a mostly one way world.  It is the rare artist (other than art teachers) who hangs around his exhibition to interact with others of his kind or the general public.  Art is really an expression of one's self that is given to others, even if there is a minimal intercourse of communications involved.
So think about your model as a work of art.  It is usually static.  The 2d version is easy to share.  The 3d is not so in these pandemic times even though technology of the future may change that.  But there are also opportunities for especially the 2d version to be dynamic, by adding animation and making a video presentation as some of us are doing in early experiments.  But the existing "art" and technology has a long way to go to compete with traditional forms of art.
One approach is to build the model or an entire scene and use it to tell a pleasing story (or perhaps a horror story) in a well posed and/or edited photo.  We have pretty cool (and affordable) computer technology today to support that approach where the captured image is the essence of the art.
Another approach is a sequence of images that tell a story through the medium of changing scenery.  Sure, moving train models around is the foundation of our hobby.  But how about changing other elements of the scene to produce a story of a dynamic activity.  How might we alter our modeling to make it easy to reset "stage" where the story is filmed.  You don't need animation if the medium is a set of fixed images like illustrations in a story book. A real interesting approach is to model the same place in two different times, perhaps decades apart.  What a great way to use up that duplicate kit you ended up with and never got around to selling or giving away.  Just model all your buildings to be removable from the layout with a minimum of damage to the scenery around.  Or make the "before" a vacant lot.

What you do need is model elements that are easy to move around (like human figures or trees with pins sticking down rather than flat bases).  Or movable arms. How about smoke and steam that are painted on thin transparent plastic or boats that are waterline models with wakes.  Lots of space here for creativity. And plenty of things to share with others as a new environmental reality surrounds us.


A form of art

Don Bergman
 

Ed,

Thanks for you comments.  Spot on.  I have long considered my layout a work of art.  When a visitor walks in looks around and leaves with little appreciation for what they have seen ( it's rare but it does happen)  I assume they would do the same in an art museum.

A don't know it you have heard of "Art Prize" in Grand Rapids MI, but I have had many visitors tell me to enter it into the competition.  But moving it in a timely fashion is not feasible.  🙂

A 3d animated sculpture.

Don Bergman


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 5:17 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED
 
For most model railroaders the hobby has a big social element in it. The cultural effect of the pandemic has hurt that.  I think it's good to talk about it and share positive thoughts on what comes next.  But it's a dreary subject.
One direction I think will sooth the hurts will be to explore the artistic side of our hobby.  Artists have, for millennia past, been working in a mostly one way world.  It is the rare artist (other than art teachers) who hangs around his exhibition to interact with others of his kind or the general public.  Art is really an expression of one's self that is given to others, even if there is a minimal intercourse of communications involved.
So think about your model as a work of art.  It is usually static.  The 2d version is easy to share.  The 3d is not so in these pandemic times even though technology of the future may change that.  But there are also opportunities for especially the 2d version to be dynamic, by adding animation and making a video presentation as some of us are doing in early experiments.  But the existing "art" and technology has a long way to go to compete with traditional forms of art.
One approach is to build the model or an entire scene and use it to tell a pleasing story (or perhaps a horror story) in a well posed and/or edited photo.  We have pretty cool (and affordable) computer technology today to support that approach where the captured image is the essence of the art.
Another approach is a sequence of images that tell a story through the medium of changing scenery.  Sure, moving train models around is the foundation of our hobby.  But how about changing other elements of the scene to produce a story of a dynamic activity.  How might we alter our modeling to make it easy to reset "stage" where the story is filmed.  You don't need animation if the medium is a set of fixed images like illustrations in a story book. A real interesting approach is to model the same place in two different times, perhaps decades apart.  What a great way to use up that duplicate kit you ended up with and never got around to selling or giving away.  Just model all your buildings to be removable from the layout with a minimum of damage to the scenery around.  Or make the "before" a vacant lot.

What you do need is model elements that are easy to move around (like human figures or trees with pins sticking down rather than flat bases).  Or movable arms. How about smoke and steam that are painted on thin transparent plastic or boats that are waterline models with wakes.  Lots of space here for creativity. And plenty of things to share with others as a new environmental reality surrounds us.


Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

 

For most model railroaders the hobby has a big social element in it. The cultural effect of the pandemic has hurt that.  I think it's good to talk about it and share positive thoughts on what comes next.  But it's a dreary subject.
One direction I think will sooth the hurts will be to explore the artistic side of our hobby.  Artists have, for millennia past, been working in a mostly one way world.  It is the rare artist (other than art teachers) who hangs around his exhibition to interact with others of his kind or the general public.  Art is really an expression of one's self that is given to others, even if there is a minimal intercourse of communications involved.
So think about your model as a work of art.  It is usually static.  The 2d version is easy to share.  The 3d is not so in these pandemic times even though technology of the future may change that.  But there are also opportunities for especially the 2d version to be dynamic, by adding animation and making a video presentation as some of us are doing in early experiments.  But the existing "art" and technology has a long way to go to compete with traditional forms of art.
One approach is to build the model or an entire scene and use it to tell a pleasing story (or perhaps a horror story) in a well posed and/or edited photo.  We have pretty cool (and affordable) computer technology today to support that approach where the captured image is the essence of the art.
Another approach is a sequence of images that tell a story through the medium of changing scenery.  Sure, moving train models around is the foundation of our hobby.  But how about changing other elements of the scene to produce a story of a dynamic activity.  How might we alter our modeling to make it easy to reset "stage" where the story is filmed.  You don't need animation if the medium is a set of fixed images like illustrations in a story book. A real interesting approach is to model the same place in two different times, perhaps decades apart.  What a great way to use up that duplicate kit you ended up with and never got around to selling or giving away.  Just model all your buildings to be removable from the layout with a minimum of damage to the scenery around.  Or make the "before" a vacant lot.

What you do need is model elements that are easy to move around (like human figures or trees with pins sticking down rather than flat bases).  Or movable arms. How about smoke and steam that are painted on thin transparent plastic or boats that are waterline models with wakes.  Lots of space here for creativity. And plenty of things to share with others as a new environmental reality surrounds us.


Re: C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

Dusty
 

I'm in good shape for trucks. I have several pairs of PSC 3491. These are 4' wheelbase Rigid Steel Trussed Bolster trucks. According to the chart in the back of the Grandt Vol VIII Pictorial none of the C & S stock cars had the 4' A.S.F. CO. archbar.

Dusty Burman 


Re: C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

Don Peterson
 

You might check with Eric at RGM about the trucks. I just ordered a bunch of trucks from him a week or so ago. He still has some truck available.

Don Peterson

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 12:27:17 PM MDT, Lawrence Wisniewski via groups.io <lwreno@...> wrote:


Harry Brunk did a good write up of his conversion of E&B valley D&RGW cars to phase 1 C&S cars.  He identified all of the steps needed to be done.  I have done 4 cars for both C&S and RGS using his article.  It's a fairly easy conversion, including modifying the doors.  The only problem you might have with it is if you insist on exact C&S trucks.   RGM made them, but he's no longer in business.  I just used Grandt or Blackstone 3'7" trucks on my cars.  Makes a good contrast in a string of Grandt Phase III cars.  Enjoy.  By the way, the article in question appears in Harry's Up Clear Creek Vol.II.  It was originally published in the NG&SLG but I can't recall the year.  It was later in the series.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <Dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 1:35 pm
Subject: [HOn3] C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

I'm  pondering the assembly of 2 or 3 stand in Phase I stock cars. I don't plan on trying to produce perfect replicas. I am willing to go a bit beyond swapping ends, doors and trucks on E & B cars. I'm trying to identify possible modifications and the effort vs visual benefits of each.

Experiences, opinions? Pretty much nothing written in ink yet.

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

Lawrence Wisniewski <lwreno@...>
 

Harry Brunk did a good write up of his conversion of E&B valley D&RGW cars to phase 1 C&S cars.  He identified all of the steps needed to be done.  I have done 4 cars for both C&S and RGS using his article.  It's a fairly easy conversion, including modifying the doors.  The only problem you might have with it is if you insist on exact C&S trucks.   RGM made them, but he's no longer in business.  I just used Grandt or Blackstone 3'7" trucks on my cars.  Makes a good contrast in a string of Grandt Phase III cars.  Enjoy.  By the way, the article in question appears in Harry's Up Clear Creek Vol.II.  It was originally published in the NG&SLG but I can't recall the year.  It was later in the series.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <Dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 1:35 pm
Subject: [HOn3] C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

I'm  pondering the assembly of 2 or 3 stand in Phase I stock cars. I don't plan on trying to produce perfect replicas. I am willing to go a bit beyond swapping ends, doors and trucks on E & B cars. I'm trying to identify possible modifications and the effort vs visual benefits of each.

Experiences, opinions? Pretty much nothing written in ink yet.

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


C & S Phase I Stock Cars?

Dusty
 

I'm  pondering the assembly of 2 or 3 stand in Phase I stock cars. I don't plan on trying to produce perfect replicas. I am willing to go a bit beyond swapping ends, doors and trucks on E & B cars. I'm trying to identify possible modifications and the effort vs visual benefits of each.

Experiences, opinions? Pretty much nothing written in ink yet.

Dusty Burman 
623 261-8707


Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

claneon30
 

Given the run up, the earliest they could bid would be 2025. Perhaps they will and that would be great.

But also know that they took a financial by doing this, so no one should be surprised if they are not jonesing to jump back in.
 
Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 28, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:

Since there were no bids for the 2024 convention, maybe the St. Louis group could go for that one. It wouldn’t be a “commemorative” year, maybe they could call it the combined 40th and 44th convention. We who are hunkering down for this year would certainly get the joke.

On May 28, 2020, at 2:30 AM, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:

I agree Jim, 

What Narrowminded1 wrote simply made me angry. I felt compelled to not let what he wrote simply pass for anything more than what it really was. I apologize to the list for my post. The sad thing is, I saw the Narrow Gauge Convention being cancelled way back at the end of February. Now it has come to pass and I think the St. Louis crew did the right thing for us. Now we can look foreward to next year. In the mean time, we all have more time to model our favorite HOn3 projects.

So I wish everyone happy modeling!

Dale Buxton


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:17 PM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
Well said, Dale. I guess those of us with backgrounds in biology have a better understanding of what doctors, epidemiologists, scientists, and so on are saying.

However, I think we are drifting off topic for the group. Perhaps it is time for a little self restrain, me included.




Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

Steven Haworth
 

So - how about a virtual 40th then?  At least we could have a photo display of models, and (ideally) some video layout tours.  I'd like that.
And we could still have something to 'call' the 40th convention.

- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Feel free. But you need to know that all the committees following the 40th designed our logos years ago, we have websites reserved, etc, etc.

Therefore, Hickory is the 41st, Seattle is the 42nd and mine in Denver is the 43rd and that really is the end of it. It was discussed and it is not going to change.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 10:06 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I'll have to disagree. From a math stand point, you don't count something that didn't happen.
We can discuss over scotch next year
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM, claneon30
Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
-- 
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
--------------------------------------------------
Web: https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TiadaghtonValleyRailroad/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVJMoICFWw9Muse6xm8moiQ





Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

claneon30
 

Feel free. But you need to know that all the committees following the 40th designed our logos years ago, we have websites reserved, etc, etc.

Therefore, Hickory is the 41st, Seattle is the 42nd and mine in Denver is the 43rd and that really is the end of it. It was discussed and it is not going to change.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 10:06 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,
I'll have to disagree. From a math stand point, you don't count something that didn't happen.
We can discuss over scotch next year
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM, claneon30
Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
-- 
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
--------------------------------------------------
Web: https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/
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Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

John Short
 

Thank you, Chris!  I could not have said it better, and more succinctly!

John Short

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 11:57:25 PM EDT, claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:


Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
--
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TiadaghtonValleyRailroad/
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Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

Jim Marlett
 

Since there were no bids for the 2024 convention, maybe the St. Louis group could go for that one. It wouldn’t be a “commemorative” year, maybe they could call it the combined 40th and 44th convention. We who are hunkering down for this year would certainly get the joke.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On May 28, 2020, at 2:30 AM, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:

I agree Jim, 

What Narrowminded1 wrote simply made me angry. I felt compelled to not let what he wrote simply pass for anything more than what it really was. I apologize to the list for my post. The sad thing is, I saw the Narrow Gauge Convention being cancelled way back at the end of February. Now it has come to pass and I think the St. Louis crew did the right thing for us. Now we can look foreward to next year. In the mean time, we all have more time to model our favorite HOn3 projects.

So I wish everyone happy modeling!

Dale Buxton


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:17 PM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
Well said, Dale. I guess those of us with backgrounds in biology have a better understanding of what doctors, epidemiologists, scientists, and so on are saying.

However, I think we are drifting off topic for the group. Perhaps it is time for a little self restrain, me included.



Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

Dale Buxton
 

I agree Jim, 

What Narrowminded1 wrote simply made me angry. I felt compelled to not let what he wrote simply pass for anything more than what it really was. I apologize to the list for my post. The sad thing is, I saw the Narrow Gauge Convention being cancelled way back at the end of February. Now it has come to pass and I think the St. Louis crew did the right thing for us. Now we can look foreward to next year. In the mean time, we all have more time to model our favorite HOn3 projects.

So I wish everyone happy modeling!

Dale Buxton


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:17 PM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
Well said, Dale. I guess those of us with backgrounds in biology have a better understanding of what doctors, epidemiologists, scientists, and so on are saying.

However, I think we are drifting off topic for the group. Perhaps it is time for a little self restrain, me included.

On May 27, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:

Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:


Re: PSC Short Caboose Kit Decal Set

John Stutz
 

Very welcome to it Brian.
They were not something that I would ever have used.

John

On May 26, 2020 at 6:26 PM Brian Jansky <brianj844@...> wrote:

Many thanks John. PM was sent earlier today. 

Brian

 


Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

John
 

Hi Chris,
I'll have to disagree. From a math stand point, you don't count something that didn't happen.
We can discuss over scotch next year
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM, claneon30
<chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
--
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
--------------------------------------------------
Web: https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TiadaghtonValleyRailroad/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVJMoICFWw9Muse6xm8moiQ




Re: National Narrow Gauge Convention – 2020 CANCELED

claneon30
 

Negative, it will be the 41st. The 40th will belong to St Louis, albeit with an asterisk.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On May 27, 2020, at 7:55 PM, John via groups.io <spaceway1999@...> wrote:

So the 40th convention will now be in Hickory. Life is full of surprises!!
John Peckham


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:54 PM, Mark Lewis
Agreed, Don.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C. 

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:00 PM Don Peterson via groups.io <sagenut3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
I turned  OFF the evening news to get away from this type of discussion. This is not the forum for this.

Can we get back to HOn3 modelling?

Don Peterson

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:45:59 PM MDT, Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:


Covid19 and the Yearly Flu don’t care about about any of the things we humans care about! Not borders, not the language you speak, Not what you had for dinner, Not your favorite color, Not world business, not politics And not even our favorite hobbies.

It’ simply an RNA Transfer machine.   For lack of a better description. It’s not even technically alive. But, it has evolved to be opportunistic. It mimics key points in our bodies so it can gain entry. It has a mission and only one mission. To make copies of itself as fast as it can until all the materials it needs are used up. It hijacks the generic code of the cells it infects and re-writes this code to do nothing but make copies of itself. It will do this until the cell is destroyed! It will do this over and over again unless the immune system finds a way to stop it. It will take what it wants from the host up to and including their life.

COVID19 is massively more deadly than the common flu and massively less understood. This should be cause for great alarm by all of us! Instead we get fringe conspiracy nay-sayers.

All of our perceptions of life are colored by our experiences. It’s unavoidable. It’s human nature. My father spent most of his career making chemical and bio weapons for the US government. Accidental releases were frightening beyond the imagination to the people in this field. I guess dad passed I good deal of his concerns about pandemics both man made and naturally occurring on to me. So yes! I take this very, very seriously. 

The US infection rate and death toll ( the highest publicly disclosed in the world) are because too many of us did not take it seriously in the beginning. What we are seeing are the results of that.

To all that read this. Please, please, please. Be smart, be safe, be well.

D. Buxton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:42 NarrowMinded1 <nathan.kline83@...> wrote:
My reply from the Sn# group...

While I agree it is BS, I don't know that I would call it cowardly. I'm one of the people that is in the group of so called "conspiracy theorists." While I believe the virus is real I think it's less of a threat than the seasonal flu and that it is being blown out of proportion for political reasons I can understand the reasoning for not attending. If big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's and even convenience stores can remain open then why not small businesses and tourist RR's stay open. If masks work then why social distance? If social distancing works then why the masks? I believe in common sense; stay home if you feel sick or if you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly, and cover your sneeze and cough. I've tried my best to keep this "neutral" so please take that into consideration when reading this. Thank you!
--
Nathan Kline
Tiadaghton Valley Railroad & Coal Co.
McConnellsburg, PA
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TiadaghtonValleyRailroad/
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