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Sold: amesville shops PennRR drop bottom gon kit 10105

lloyd lehrer
 



lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 11:44 PM lloyd lehrer via groups.io <lloydlehrer=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
one kit new in sealed orig. bag.$35 includes shipping to US.  Paypal Friends you can trust (F&F) refer to web site:
 
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097

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Re: New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

tom peterman
 

Doug, any plans to produce Grandt HOn3 trucks (or your own)?
Thanks,
Tom


Re: FS: amesville shops PennRR drop bottom gon kit 10105

jbrundt@...
 

Hi Lloyd,
I will take the kit if you still have it.
Please send me your paypal info. jbrundt at yahoo dot com

Thanks,

Jeff


On Friday, May 1, 2020, 1:44:09 AM CDT, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


one kit new in sealed orig. bag.$35 includes shipping to US.  Paypal Friends you can trust (F&F) refer to web site:
 
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097

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lloyd lehrer


Re: New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

Mark Lewis
 

Doug:

That is great news for the HOn3 community, as the Grandt Line rolling stock kits, were/are great models. Looking forward to the C&S and RGS kits back in stock.

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 11:31 PM Doug Junda <djunda@...> wrote:
We are also starting on the Grandtline rolling stock to see what we can bring back out.

Also, We have a new web site for the Grandtline site,  https://www.sanjuandetails.com.
You can now order on line.

Thanks ,

Doug Junda,_


FS: amesville shops PennRR drop bottom gon kit 10105

lloyd lehrer
 

one kit new in sealed orig. bag.$35 includes shipping to US.  Paypal Friends you can trust (F&F) refer to web site:
 
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097

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lloyd lehrer


New Grandtline web site (San Juan Details)

Doug Junda
 

We are also starting on the Grandtline rolling stock to see what we can bring back out.

Also, We have a new web site for the Grandtline site,  https://www.sanjuandetails.com.
You can now order on line.

Thanks ,

Doug Junda,_


Re: TVRR vs TVRR

Steven Haworth
 

I've been able to operate on George layout many times - it's an amazing work of art!  I miss going there, in this lockdown time....

- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:23 PM Ed Carl <plymouthml8@...> wrote:
I have seen the video of your Railroad on YouTube and admired have admired your railroad for quite a few years, I don't know how many times I've watched the video !!1 of my favorite Narrow Gauge railroads besides the Bellevue and Cascade Railroad. On a side note I I've been to the the railroad in the past in winter time without all the information on the Rail Road. I followed it on my way home from Cabin Fever in York, PA back to Ohio multiple years in a row would love to go back and fall or spring time and get a good look at the railroad well at least the area now that I have better maps of the railroad.


Re: TVRR vs TVRR

Ed Carl
 

I have seen the video of your Railroad on YouTube and admired have admired your railroad for quite a few years, I don't know how many times I've watched the video !!1 of my favorite Narrow Gauge railroads besides the Bellevue and Cascade Railroad. On a side note I I've been to the the railroad in the past in winter time without all the information on the Rail Road. I followed it on my way home from Cabin Fever in York, PA back to Ohio multiple years in a row would love to go back and fall or spring time and get a good look at the railroad well at least the area now that I have better maps of the railroad.


Re: Wheelset question

lloyd lehrer
 

The std ga. ones that I have seen all only cut on one end and must be flipped to the other side in order to cut both journals. They are sharp on both ends and are just 5 thous. longer than the intermountains that are my routine choice of replacement wheel sets. 

I can see using one single ended but what length would you want for a double ended? 2 thous. over length?

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 7:59 AM <Climax@...> wrote:
What are you trying to do?  The wheel sets need a specific angle cut for the axle needles to ride in.  Central Valley Trucks had that angle down pat and is why those early trucks worked so well.  Kato did the same thing but with updated materials and they worked extremely well.  Recutting bearing surfaces is not for the timid.  You cannot have any tilt in the recut or you will end up with lopsided bearings and in worse shape than you started with.  The preferred cutter is the doubled eneded center crill, which is not really a drill, but for machining parts on a lathe.  It must be of the correct length to fit between the truck frames and turned by hand.  It only takes, depending on the material being cut, 1 to 3 turns to clean up a bearing.  If you remove top much material the bearing surface is above center line and lowers the car a tad, plus it gets sloppy.  My best advise is to get the proper tool for the job, use it as it says, and be happy with that or buy new trucks.
Drill bits are not cut, they are ground and are much harder than nails.  after you cut it is's still the wrong angle anyway so it needs to be reground on a drill sharpener or by a skilled machinest.
Dave  MMR200

-----Original Message-----
From: "kevin b via groups.io"
Sent: Apr 30, 2020 8:15 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Wheelset question

I know drill bits are hard to cut, but could one be cut to the length of an axel? Then slipped into the side frame? It would have to be reversed for the other side of the truck. Just a thought......


well, they break like going out of style if you're not careful, so,,,, why couldn't one be cut?
i'd say use a Dremel with a cutting disc, you know the stone type that ALSO break like no tomorrow.....

if it were me, i'd make the cut then round over the end of the bit there to some extent so it sorta fits up in the other axle pocket.
that way it would help keep itself "true" to the other side.
I can see this process ending up with mis-aligned holes if one isn't mindful of that ahead of time.
that's my take on it, for what it's worth.

thanks.
Kevin.



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TVRR vs TVRR

George Pierson
 

Hi, all,

For fans of Pennsylvania narrow gauge, the presence of two 3 ft. lines in the state with the same initials is confusing.  Given the greater size of the nw PA Tionesta Valley RR, its longer life and its greater traffic, perhaps we could let it take title to "TVRR."  The Tuscarora Valley RR will happily accept "TuVRR" as its working title.  FYI the TuVRR was located about 40 miles west of Harrisburg, PA.  It's northern terminus was Port Royal on the PRR Middle Division.  It ran 28 miles south to Blairs Mills, PA.  Go one county west and you come to the EBT.  As  devotee of the TuVRR, I can't resist inviting you to visit my website:

tuscaroramodelservices.com

for video and photos of the TuV which resides in my basement.  There are also links to some other websites on which you can find more TuV info and photos.

The Tionesta Valley RR is also a fascinating line and one which begs to be modeled.  Little remains of it today but I gather that the TVRR station in Sheffield, PA is a TVRR museum.  I couldn't find a website but it's good to know some part of the TVRR is being preserved.

George Pierson
General Manager, TuVRR, Chicago Division


Re: Wheelset question

Climax@...
 

What are you trying to do?  The wheel sets need a specific angle cut for the axle needles to ride in.  Central Valley Trucks had that angle down pat and is why those early trucks worked so well.  Kato did the same thing but with updated materials and they worked extremely well.  Recutting bearing surfaces is not for the timid.  You cannot have any tilt in the recut or you will end up with lopsided bearings and in worse shape than you started with.  The preferred cutter is the doubled eneded center crill, which is not really a drill, but for machining parts on a lathe.  It must be of the correct length to fit between the truck frames and turned by hand.  It only takes, depending on the material being cut, 1 to 3 turns to clean up a bearing.  If you remove top much material the bearing surface is above center line and lowers the car a tad, plus it gets sloppy.  My best advise is to get the proper tool for the job, use it as it says, and be happy with that or buy new trucks.
Drill bits are not cut, they are ground and are much harder than nails.  after you cut it is's still the wrong angle anyway so it needs to be reground on a drill sharpener or by a skilled machinest.
Dave  MMR200

-----Original Message-----
From: "kevin b via groups.io"
Sent: Apr 30, 2020 8:15 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Wheelset question

I know drill bits are hard to cut, but could one be cut to the length of an axel? Then slipped into the side frame? It would have to be reversed for the other side of the truck. Just a thought......


well, they break like going out of style if you're not careful, so,,,, why couldn't one be cut?
i'd say use a Dremel with a cutting disc, you know the stone type that ALSO break like no tomorrow.....

if it were me, i'd make the cut then round over the end of the bit there to some extent so it sorta fits up in the other axle pocket.
that way it would help keep itself "true" to the other side.
I can see this process ending up with mis-aligned holes if one isn't mindful of that ahead of time.
that's my take on it, for what it's worth.

thanks.
Kevin.



Re: Wheelset question

Jim Marlett
 

It might be a bear to do, but I think a more successful plan would be to take some out of the middle of an HO standard gauge tool and splice it back together to HOn3 size. Or cut an N scale tool in the middle and splice it back together to HOn3 size. If brass or whatever tubing could be found that was the right size or a piece of plastic drilled to fit, I think it could be done and I think it would be much easier than modifying a drill bit.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

All good points guys. Thanks. I like the idea of using a drill bit to make a one-sided cutting tool that fits where the axle goes. Reversing it to get the other side. Chamfering/rounding the flat end would make it easier to insert.

Jim your point is well taken that the shallower drill bit would allow a wheelset to "rattle around" in the journal more if it is just a bit short...

I may have to "sacrifice" a drill bit and one of those new San Juan /Grandt 3'7" frames when they come out just to see if it is possible..... I will report back.

Thanks again guys. As always, this forum makes me a better HOn3 modeller....


Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Wheelset question

Brian Kopp
 

All good points guys. Thanks. I like the idea of using a drill bit to make a one-sided cutting tool that fits where the axle goes. Reversing it to get the other side. Chamfering/rounding the flat end would make it easier to insert.

Jim your point is well taken that the shallower drill bit would allow a wheelset to "rattle around" in the journal more if it is just a bit short...

I may have to "sacrifice" a drill bit and one of those new San Juan /Grandt 3'7" frames when they come out just to see if it is possible..... I will report back.

Thanks again guys. As always, this forum makes me a better HOn3 modeller....


Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Wheelset question

kevin b
 

I know drill bits are hard to cut, but could one be cut to the length of an axel? Then slipped into the side frame? It would have to be reversed for the other side of the truck. Just a thought......


well, they break like going out of style if you're not careful, so,,,, why couldn't one be cut?
i'd say use a Dremel with a cutting disc, you know the stone type that ALSO break like no tomorrow.....

if it were me, i'd make the cut then round over the end of the bit there to some extent so it sorta fits up in the other axle pocket.
that way it would help keep itself "true" to the other side.
I can see this process ending up with mis-aligned holes if one isn't mindful of that ahead of time.
that's my take on it, for what it's worth.

thanks.
Kevin.



Re: Wheelset question

Mike Smith
 

I know drill bits are hard to cut, but could one be cut to the length of an axel?   Then slipped into the side frame?  It would have to be reversed for the other side of the truck.    Just a thought...... 


On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 08:29:29 PM MST, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:


Again, I don’t think so. I think the angles need to be in the same ball park, but 10º or a little more different. The tip of a drill bit is way too shallow. I think it would allow the wheels to slip too far up into the side frames unless the axles were exactly the right width. That would be kind of hard to control I would think. Also, to get the angle of the hole just right would require that the drill be aligned straight with the opposite journal, which would be tricky with a drill bit and a one piece side frame and bolster. That’s why the tools are pointed on both ends and do two journals at once. If you can figure out how to do it, then charge on!

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Ok thanks Jim. That means a drill bit might work....
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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Tremendous fan

Russ Norris
 

Knicknamed Tommy Varner's Red Rooster (there is a book about it by that name) it connected with Lewistown some 20 miles east of Mount Union.  There were once plans for it to standard gauge and follow Blacklog Valley for a connection with the EBT but they never came to pass.

Russ

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 9:40 PM John G Massura <jmassura@...> wrote:
Tuscarora Valley RR; it ran in the next valley to the east of the EBT.

John

On Apr 29, 2020, at 20:31, David Laverick <dave@...> wrote:

Well done, TVRR is this Tionesta Valley RR? I have walked some of the road bed fishing the feeders into the Tionesta. Beautiful fern covered path with the silhouette of the ties between the rotting ties. I had no idea it connected to the EBT?

Dave

On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: Tremendous fan

claneon30
 

Both Brian's and George’s excellent work have been featured in the HOn3 Annual, so that may be the cause of confusion.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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Re: Tremendous fan

Jim Ruth
 

Dave L:
Long time lurker, but former Elk county boy here.
They are talking about a completely different "TVRR" -no relation to the Tionesta Valley RR, which never went much/any south of Hallton on the Clarion River.
I had an uncle that worked at Clawson Chemical at Hallton, and a great uncle that cut ties & such for "our" TV long ago.
I've walked or drove some of those grades myself, but mostly on the Hallton/ Loleta/ Owls Nest end...
I really love that country, and the old Tionesta Valley road.
Regards,
Jim R.


Re: Wheelset question

Jim Marlett
 

Again, I don’t think so. I think the angles need to be in the same ball park, but 10º or a little more different. The tip of a drill bit is way too shallow. I think it would allow the wheels to slip too far up into the side frames unless the axles were exactly the right width. That would be kind of hard to control I would think. Also, to get the angle of the hole just right would require that the drill be aligned straight with the opposite journal, which would be tricky with a drill bit and a one piece side frame and bolster. That’s why the tools are pointed on both ends and do two journals at once. If you can figure out how to do it, then charge on!

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Ok thanks Jim. That means a drill bit might work....
.
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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Tremendous fan

John G Massura
 

Tuscarora Valley RR; it ran in the next valley to the east of the EBT.

John

On Apr 29, 2020, at 20:31, David Laverick <dave@...> wrote:

Well done, TVRR is this Tionesta Valley RR? I have walked some of the road bed fishing the feeders into the Tionesta. Beautiful fern covered path with the silhouette of the ties between the rotting ties. I had no idea it connected to the EBT?

Dave

On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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