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Re: Tremendous fan

claneon30
 

Both Brian's and George’s excellent work have been featured in the HOn3 Annual, so that may be the cause of confusion.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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Re: Tremendous fan

Jim Ruth
 

Dave L:
Long time lurker, but former Elk county boy here.
They are talking about a completely different "TVRR" -no relation to the Tionesta Valley RR, which never went much/any south of Hallton on the Clarion River.
I had an uncle that worked at Clawson Chemical at Hallton, and a great uncle that cut ties & such for "our" TV long ago.
I've walked or drove some of those grades myself, but mostly on the Hallton/ Loleta/ Owls Nest end...
I really love that country, and the old Tionesta Valley road.
Regards,
Jim R.

Re: Wheelset question

Jim Marlett
 

Again, I don’t think so. I think the angles need to be in the same ball park, but 10º or a little more different. The tip of a drill bit is way too shallow. I think it would allow the wheels to slip too far up into the side frames unless the axles were exactly the right width. That would be kind of hard to control I would think. Also, to get the angle of the hole just right would require that the drill be aligned straight with the opposite journal, which would be tricky with a drill bit and a one piece side frame and bolster. That’s why the tools are pointed on both ends and do two journals at once. If you can figure out how to do it, then charge on!

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Ok thanks Jim. That means a drill bit might work....
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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Tremendous fan

John G Massura
 

Tuscarora Valley RR; it ran in the next valley to the east of the EBT.

John

On Apr 29, 2020, at 20:31, David Laverick <dave@...> wrote:

Well done, TVRR is this Tionesta Valley RR? I have walked some of the road bed fishing the feeders into the Tionesta. Beautiful fern covered path with the silhouette of the ties between the rotting ties. I had no idea it connected to the EBT?

Dave

On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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Re: Tremendous fan

David Laverick
 

Well done, TVRR is this Tionesta Valley RR? I have walked some of the road bed fishing the feeders into the Tionesta. Beautiful fern covered path with the silhouette of the ties between the rotting ties. I had no idea it connected to the EBT?

Dave

On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:29 PM, brian_budeit via groups.io <brian_budeit@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.
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Re: Tremendous fan

brian_budeit
 

Hi Wayne,

Your accolades are appreciated, but I think you have the wrong guy. You are looking for my friend George Pierson, noted PRR and TVRR modeler and the gent who has done Port Royal in HO. I also model the TVRR along with a connection to the EBT, all in 1906. My slice of TVRR is East Waterford to Ross Farms, and the East Waterford & Kansas Valley logging branch, but no Port Royal.
Enclosed are some shots of East Waterford. The grist mill is a now a ruin, collapsed into its foundation. The station still stands, used as a storage building, the owner lives in the house next to it. The tan building is the back of a general store, in existence until recently as Longs Store. A drunk driver ran into gasoline pumps in front of the building and burned it down.
Good luck with the TM&P. The Burlington station survives as a library and museum. A water tank stood up in Chert a number of years ago, not sure if its still there. There also were to be remains of a number of trestles from the line.

brian b

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 09:34:41 PM EDT, wayne_h_sanderson <whsander@...> wrote:


Just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of your TVRR. I can't look at the photos of your structure builds and the way you depicted Port Royal enough. It inspires me in my effort. I too am modeling something off radar for almost all NG modelers- The Twin Mountain & Potomac RR in Mineral County WV, just across the Potomac River from the Cumberland MD area. I'm trying to do justice to Keyser WV and still have a usable terminus for the railroad.

Re: Wheelset question

Ric Case
 

Dusty the 2 inch difference under a car at arms length is definitely not a great problem, the rolling abilities of the trucks I have is my greatest problem!  

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

Bruce,

The Kadee Vulcan trucks have 26" wheels which I believe are too large. I think the Blackstone EBT Vulcan trucks have 24" wheels. The side frames are different as well. The Kadee have more of an arch. I could be mistaken. Help, anyone.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Wheelset question

Dusty
 

Bruce,

The Kadee Vulcan trucks have 26" wheels which I believe are too large. I think the Blackstone EBT Vulcan trucks have 24" wheels. The side frames are different as well. The Kadee have more of an arch. I could be mistaken. Help, anyone.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Wheelset question

 

Ric,

I was wondering about the Kadee Vulcan trucks and if you tried those.  I ordered a set of Kadee's for a D&RGW 6500 flat car to see what they are like.  You might look at Western Rails as they have a 3D printed Vulcan truck which uses Kadee wheelsets.


Bruce Dunlevy






 

Re: Wheelset question

Ric Case
 

Dusty unfortunately Blackstone is no longer supplying any trucks of any kind! As they have not introduced anything new for a number of years, and it doesn’t look good for anything in the near future, I don’t think you will have any luck finding trucks at any hobby shop. 
I have posted quite a few times looking for EBT Vulcan trucks for my railroad! Was lucky found 10 pair a couple of years ago and that was it. I purchased 125 cars and 70 plus trucks when they were available, still need around 70 sets of Vulcan trucks. Any body have spares for sale? 
I have a truck reamer for hon3 like the ones offered for standard gauge . It works pretty good with most of the trucks and Nwsl wheel sets!
I’ve had it for years!
A friend had them made by the guy who supplied the original standard gauge ones. 
Good luck with your searches 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

The Grandt 5132 wheel sets appear to be the same as the Grandt passenger truck wheel sets. If you had Grandt frieght truck castings you would need to trim the 5132 axels to the correct length. In the past I had experimented with the NWSL very narrow wheel sets in Grandt trucks. They looked amazing on code 40 track. My conclusion was that this combination didn't function very well with Shinohara switches. I sent the NWSL wheel sets to my friend Al Sohl out on Long Island so I no longer have an example in hand.

Unless there are major new developments Blackstone looks like the best hope for a number of truck prototypes in hon3.

Dusty Burman

Re: Wheelset question

Dusty
 

The Grandt 5132 wheel sets appear to be the same as the Grandt passenger truck wheel sets. If you had Grandt frieght truck castings you would need to trim the 5132 axels to the correct length. In the past I had experimented with the NWSL very narrow wheel sets in Grandt trucks. They looked amazing on code 40 track. My conclusion was that this combination didn't function very well with Shinohara switches. I sent the NWSL wheel sets to my friend Al Sohl out on Long Island so I no longer have an example in hand.

Unless there are major new developments Blackstone looks like the best hope for a number of truck prototypes in hon3.

Dusty Burman

Re: Wheelset question

Brian Kopp
 

Ok thanks Jim. That means a drill bit might work....
.
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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Wheelset question

Jim Marlett
 

No. The journal is a minimum of 60º and the axle tip is a maximum of 50º. The objective is to have only the point of the axle touching the journal so that friction is minimized.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

So is the purpose of the 60 degree angle to match the pointed axle tip shape exactly so the rolling contact surface is the whole cone? If the hole were shaped with a shallower cone then less of the axle tip would contact the frame cone and I guess that is a bad thing at some point? (no pun intended).

The reason I ask is that a typical drill bit is much shallower than 60 degrees and I wondered what would happen if I drilled a bit out of the Grandt Line frame with a regular drill bit.... assuming I could get it in there straight by cutting the drill bit off short or flexing the frame.....

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Wheelset question

Brian Kopp
 

So is the purpose of the 60 degree angle to match the pointed axle tip shape exactly so the rolling contact surface is the whole cone? If the hole were shaped with a shallower cone then less of the axle tip would contact the frame cone and I guess that is a bad thing at some point? (no pun intended).

The reason I ask is that a typical drill bit is much shallower than 60 degrees and I wondered what would happen if I drilled a bit out of the Grandt Line frame with a regular drill bit.... assuming I could get it in there straight by cutting the drill bit off short or flexing the frame.....

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Roadbed Material Question

Ric Case
 

I purchase mine at Menards locally! I used to get it at the local lumber yard. They didn’t call it homosote they called it bed board! 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:

It is entirely possible that the product just isn’t the same as when I bought mine. It was a long time ago – maybe the early ‘80s. I still have a full 4x8 sheet from that purchase and yes, I am going to use it, probably before the year is over. Maybe I’ll get to test some new stuff when the old stuff is finally gone.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/


On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:00 PM, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:

Jim, I had just the same response with the uneven homasote. BUT I USED FLEXTRACK and just let it float over the surface and then filled the low areas with decomposed granite rather than concern with getting it uniformly flat. Before hand.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 4:38 PM Jim Marlett <jmarlett@...> wrote:
I haven’t noticed the irregularity of Homasote thickness, although it has been a while since I purchased new. Maybe it is a problem if you use flex track, but I hand lay my track and I don’t normally sand the Homasote. I sand the ties after they are glued in place since ties aren’t that perfect either. A very long time ago (1971 maybe?) I used flex track on Homasote and I didn’t notice any unevenness then, either. The only time I sand Homasote is when I am smoothing a joint or repair.

On Apr 27, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Lawrence Wisniewski via groups.io <lwreno@...> wrote:

I tried this years ago, but was very disappointed by the slow cutting action compared to regular saw blades.  I eventually opted for the mess and pulled my shop vac around with me where ever I could.  Then there's the big problem of variable thickness.  It can't be ignored unless you are deliberately after backwoods logging quality roadbed.  To counter the thickness problem, I developed alot of really large sanding blocks and got the vacuum out again.  It was very hard work and I found it virtually impossible to sand that stuff down to an acceptable uniform thickness in a single lifetime.. The next time I got the bug to build a layout, I invested in homabed's pre milled and sloped cut pieces.  That allowed pretty nice track work with flex track with only a little sanding here and there.  Note that I don't know what large sheets of homosote are like to work with now.  My experiences with the lumber yard variety took place in the 80's and 90's.  There may have been some manufacturing improvements since then.  Hopefully. 


-----Original Message-----
From: burrst54 <burr.stewart@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Roadbed Material Question

If you end up using Homasote, look for a "knife edge" blade for your handheld jigsaw, which seriously cuts down on dust when cutting.

Burr Stewart
Seattle WA




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lloyd lehrer

Re: Wheelset question

Climax@...
 

I believe in the machines world those are called centering cutters.  They are used in lathe and milling operations to cut a true center and are all cut with a 60 degree angle.  They come in multiple sizes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Dunlevy
Sent: Apr 28, 2020 8:43 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Wheelset question

It's too bad there is no tool for HOn3 like Micro Marks Truck Tuner.  It has 60 degree (NMRA standard) cutting ends to ream the hole in the truck.  I believe the Grandt Line side frames are one piece with the bolster.  You would need something small to get between the sideframes.

Bruce Dunlevy




 

Re: Wheelset question

Dale Buxton
 

Well, somebody made them because, I bought one on Ebay. But I could never find out who made them!

Dale Buxton

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 18:43 Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:
It's too bad there is no tool for HOn3 like Micro Marks Truck Tuner.  It has 60 degree (NMRA standard) cutting ends to ream the hole in the truck.  I believe the Grandt Line side frames are one piece with the bolster.  You would need something small to get between the sideframes.

Bruce Dunlevy




 

Re: Wheelset question

 

It's too bad there is no tool for HOn3 like Micro Marks Truck Tuner.  It has 60 degree (NMRA standard) cutting ends to ream the hole in the truck.  I believe the Grandt Line side frames are one piece with the bolster.  You would need something small to get between the sideframes.

Bruce Dunlevy




 

Wheelset question

Brian Kopp
 
Edited

I had a chat with the San Juan Model Company yesterday and found out they are not planning to reproduce the Grandt Line 5132 wheelsets. They are looking at doing truck frames though so that's good.

I know NWSL makes a Grandt truck frame compatible wheelset, the 37343-4 for about $25 or ($15 unassembled as the 97343-4).

I went looking through my inventory and of course I don't have any on hand. I was wondering if anybody had any thoughts on modified a Grandt Line truck frame to take another wheelset that has similar wheel thickness and axle length. One wheelset that comes to mind is the kadee 718. I did some rough caliper measurements and found the following:

Grandt line 5132
axle length 0.59"
wheel thickness including flange 0.075"
blunt axle length outside wheel 0.025
blunt axle tip diameter 0.038"

Sorry here is the Kadee info for comparison:

Kadee 718
axle length 0.637"
wheel thickness including flange 0.075"
pointed axle length outside wheel 0.0575"
pointed axle diameter (at wheel) 0.050"

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Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: HOn3 Locomotive and rolling stock for sale revised list 15

Robert Herrick
 

Brian--very sorry to hear of  your stroke. I will take the Blackstone reefer. How much do I include for shipping?

Bob Herrick