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Re: PSC tank car kits

Jim Spencer
 

John, thank you for the info. The kit contained a History In Brief which noted: “1,700 Vandyke class V 6,500 gallon frameless tank cars were built during the years 1908, 09, 10, 11, & 12. These cars were numbered 14300 through 15900.“ [suggesting that there were 1,600 cars built]
It goes on to say: “By 1953 only a few cars remained in service due to retirement or a law prohibiting KD brake systems in interchange service. Those cars still in service were either converted to AB brake systems or were used in local and MofW service.”
I suspect the narrow gauge kit instructions would have an accounting of the number that were converted for use on the narrow gauge Rio Grande and RGS.

Per your reference to the 5’-2” standard gauge arch bar trucks, another source is Central Valley. Those appear to be the same as you describe. However as you note, they were used on 10,000 gallon cars. 6,500 gallon cars may have used a different, presumably smaller capacity standard gauge truck.

Interestingly, I also have some Central Valley narrow gauge arch bar trucks. The side frame castings are identical to their standard gauge side frames. All they did was use a different bolster and smaller diameter wheels!
Jim

On Feb 29, 2020, at 7:13 PM, john.stutz@... wrote:

 Jim

In the 1906 Car builder's Dictionary (CBD), reprinted circa 1980 by Glenwood and available online, figure 88 (photo) and figures 489-91 (drawings) depict the 10,000 gallon version of the Van Dyke frame-less tank car. . This shows a 5' 2" WB archbar truck with inside hung brakes. the bottom bar is level and the top bar slopes down to the axle box tops. The same drawing with some extra detail appeared in The Railroad Gzaette, Vol XXXV, No 10, p164 & 165, on March 6 1903.

The illustrated truck's side frame is very like the old Central Valley HOn3 truck. Of current offerings, the Tahoe Model Works #211 arch bar truck is probably the closest available match. But note that the Kadee Bettendorf T-section truck is very similar to the version illustrated in the 1906 CBD, figures 1356-60, which was placed on the market circa 1903.

Regarding NG/SG differences, the narrow gauge Van Dyke (Gramps) cars were just obsolescent standard gauge 6500 gallon tank cars. The main differences were substitution of NG trucks with lowered center plate to lower the couplers 8", new NG spaced side bearing pads welded to the bolsters, and slightly rearranged brake rigging to clear the wheels. The White Pass also operated 5 Van Dyes, 3 of the standard small 6500 gallon version and 2 that had 3 compartments. They bought bare tanks, but built their own trucks, and also lowered the running boards about a foot.

John Stutz

On February 20, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jim Spencer <trainmanjs@...> wrote:

I have built a dozen or more of the PSC HOn3 kits and have one of the standard gauge unbuilt kits.  I could see no difference whatsoever between the two. My standard gauge kit came with set of plastic wheels, but no side frames.  The instructions recommend an Athearn truck or a Kadee 500 series truck, which is a cast steel Bettendorf design that came much later than when the cars were built in about 1909. 

I suspect the 1909 cars were  delivered with standard gauge arch bar trucks, possibly later converted to Andrews designs.  But I have no photos, general arrangement drawings, or folio drawings to confirm.  I suspect that screwing on a standard gauge truck will raise the car height to the standard gauge coupler height.  But again, I have no confirming information.
Jim

 

Re: PSC tank car kits

Robert Bell
 

Thanks John.  I was going to make it into one of the White Pass cars anyway, but was unaware of running board relocation.  I haven't gotten around to studying pictures of them yet.  What type of trucks did they use? 

Thanks again!

Rob Bell
Waynesville, Nc

Re: PSC tank car kits

John Stutz
 

Jim

In the 1906 Car builder's Dictionary (CBD), reprinted circa 1980 by Glenwood and available online, figure 88 (photo) and figures 489-91 (drawings) depict the 10,000 gallon version of the Van Dyke frame-less tank car. . This shows a 5' 2" WB archbar truck with inside hung brakes. the bottom bar is level and the top bar slopes down to the axle box tops. The same drawing with some extra detail appeared in The Railroad Gzaette, Vol XXXV, No 10, p164 & 165, on March 6 1903.

The illustrated truck's side frame is very like the old Central Valley HOn3 truck. Of current offerings, the Tahoe Model Works #211 arch bar truck is probably the closest available match. But note that the Kadee Bettendorf T-section truck is very similar to the version illustrated in the 1906 CBD, figures 1356-60, which was placed on the market circa 1903.

Regarding NG/SG differences, the narrow gauge Van Dyke (Gramps) cars were just obsolescent standard gauge 6500 gallon tank cars. The main differences were substitution of NG trucks with lowered center plate to lower the couplers 8", new NG spaced side bearing pads welded to the bolsters, and slightly rearranged brake rigging to clear the wheels. The White Pass also operated 5 Van Dyes, 3 of the standard small 6500 gallon version and 2 that had 3 compartments. They bought bare tanks, but built their own trucks, and also lowered the running boards about a foot.

John Stutz

On February 20, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jim Spencer <trainmanjs@...> wrote:

I have built a dozen or more of the PSC HOn3 kits and have one of the standard gauge unbuilt kits.  I could see no difference whatsoever between the two. My standard gauge kit came with set of plastic wheels, but no side frames.  The instructions recommend an Athearn truck or a Kadee 500 series truck, which is a cast steel Bettendorf design that came much later than when the cars were built in about 1909. 

I suspect the 1909 cars were  delivered with standard gauge arch bar trucks, possibly later converted to Andrews designs.  But I have no photos, general arrangement drawings, or folio drawings to confirm.  I suspect that screwing on a standard gauge truck will raise the car height to the standard gauge coupler height.  But again, I have no confirming information.
Jim

 

Re: Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

Climax@...
 

Between Ebay and Paypal fees you can expect them to take 10% of what the winner bid is.  I have been selling off my 60 year accumulation of stuff and that's what I found out.  I agree, its the biggest customer base you will find and the highest bidder get it so start off at a price you are willing to accept plus the 10% if you want to get it sold for the amount you want.
Dave Barron  (Mule)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Laverick
Sent: Feb 29, 2020 9:54 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

Don,

I had a similar scenario with an O gauge engine and asked for help with pricing it fairly.  As others mention, hard to say, the value of these treasures are best decided by those willing to say and pay. I took the easy way and I am using eBay. ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/324077939479 ) You pay the fees but you also get the largest audience in a short period of time and eBay with all their rules and fees make it easy. I like the idea of HOSwap, I will check that out. Thanks.

Dave

On Feb 29, 2020, at 6:20 AM, kevin b via Groups.Io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:

hello Don, and all.

to answer your question, exactly what that kit is worth is hard to say.
personally, and this is just me talking about myself, I can't see it being worth 500 dollars.
that does not mean it isn't, because the next guy might think it's a bargain at that price.
really, the only way to know what it's worth is put it up for sale and see what it brings.
ebay would likely be the place for it to bring the most, if you're strictly out to get all it'll bring.
'course, they call if "feebay" for a reason, and you'll have to shell out for their cut.
but, a week or whatever after putting in on there, it should be sold.
good luck.
Kevin.



Folks,
9 months ago I inherited a Western Scale Models 20-Stamp Gold Mill with Interior, Kit #SE-3 HO Scale. I have been dreaming about building it. If I was 10 years younger or had a spot on my current layout I would. So I plan to part with it. I have seen prices on line $500+. I am interested in knowing its value from those that follow these things. Just after a fair price which would be about what?
Raising funds to see #168 this summer.
Don Bergman


Re: Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

David Laverick
 

Don,

I had a similar scenario with an O gauge engine and asked for help with pricing it fairly.  As others mention, hard to say, the value of these treasures are best decided by those willing to say and pay. I took the easy way and I am using eBay. ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/324077939479 ) You pay the fees but you also get the largest audience in a short period of time and eBay with all their rules and fees make it easy. I like the idea of HOSwap, I will check that out. Thanks.

Dave

On Feb 29, 2020, at 6:20 AM, kevin b via Groups.Io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:

hello Don, and all.

to answer your question, exactly what that kit is worth is hard to say.
personally, and this is just me talking about myself, I can't see it being worth 500 dollars.
that does not mean it isn't, because the next guy might think it's a bargain at that price.
really, the only way to know what it's worth is put it up for sale and see what it brings.
ebay would likely be the place for it to bring the most, if you're strictly out to get all it'll bring.
'course, they call if "feebay" for a reason, and you'll have to shell out for their cut.
but, a week or whatever after putting in on there, it should be sold.
good luck.
Kevin.



Folks,
9 months ago I inherited a Western Scale Models 20-Stamp Gold Mill with Interior, Kit #SE-3 HO Scale. I have been dreaming about building it. If I was 10 years younger or had a spot on my current layout I would. So I plan to part with it. I have seen prices on line $500+. I am interested in knowing its value from those that follow these things. Just after a fair price which would be about what?
Raising funds to see #168 this summer.
Don Bergman


Re: Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

Bill Lugg
 

Another approach might be to search eBay's completed auctions for this kit to see what it's sold for in the past.  FWIW, I'd try HoSwap first once you figure out what price you want to assign to it - no fees, and you might just be able to move it quickly.  If it doesn't sell in a few days, repost with the subject containing "price reduced" and mark it down a little to see what you can do with it.

Just my $0.02.
Bill Lugg

On 2/29/20 5:20 AM, kevin b via Groups.Io wrote:
hello Don, and all.

to answer your question, exactly what that kit is worth is hard to say.
personally, and this is just me talking about myself, I can't see it being worth 500 dollars.
that does not mean it isn't, because the next guy might think it's a bargain at that price.
really, the only way to know what it's worth is put it up for sale and see what it brings.
ebay would likely be the place for it to bring the most, if you're strictly out to get all it'll bring.
'course, they call if "feebay" for a reason, and you'll have to shell out for their cut.
but, a week or whatever after putting in on there, it should be sold.
good luck.
Kevin.



Folks,
9 months ago I inherited a Western Scale Models 20-Stamp Gold Mill with Interior, Kit #SE-3 HO Scale. I have been dreaming about building it. If I was 10 years younger or had a spot on my current layout I would. So I plan to part with it. I have seen prices on line $500+. I am interested in knowing its value from those that follow these things. Just after a fair price which would be about what?
Raising funds to see #168 this summer.
Don Bergman

Re: Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

kevin b
 

hello Don, and all.

to answer your question, exactly what that kit is worth is hard to say.
personally, and this is just me talking about myself, I can't see it being worth 500 dollars.
that does not mean it isn't, because the next guy might think it's a bargain at that price.
really, the only way to know what it's worth is put it up for sale and see what it brings.
ebay would likely be the place for it to bring the most, if you're strictly out to get all it'll bring.
'course, they call if "feebay" for a reason, and you'll have to shell out for their cut.
but, a week or whatever after putting in on there, it should be sold.
good luck.
Kevin.



Folks,
9 months ago I inherited a Western Scale Models 20-Stamp Gold Mill with Interior, Kit #SE-3 HO Scale. I have been dreaming about building it. If I was 10 years younger or had a spot on my current layout I would. So I plan to part with it. I have seen prices on line $500+. I am interested in knowing its value from those that follow these things. Just after a fair price which would be about what?
Raising funds to see #168 this summer.
Don Bergman

Western Scale Models 20 Stamp Gold Mill

Don Bergman
 

Folks,

9 months ago I inherited  a Western Scale Models 20-Stamp Gold Mill with Interior, Kit #SE-3 HO Scale. I have been dreaming about building it.   If I was 10 years younger or had a spot on my current layout I would.    So I plan to part with it.    I have seen prices on line $500+.   I am interested in knowing its value from those that follow these things.   Just after a fair price which would be about what?

Raising funds to see #168 this summer.

Don Bergman

Asheville NC Train show and 41st NNGC

johnny graybeal
 

My apologies if you see this on more than one group.
Hello everyone,
I will be set up at the Asheville Train Show Friday and Saturday, to promote the ET&WNC RR and to promote the Hickory National Narrow Gauge Convention, coming in less than a year and a half to Hickory NC. I welcome anyone in this group to come by and talk to me about the convention and what you can do to participate. I look forward to meeting many of you over the next year.
Johnny Graybeal
41st NNGC Committee Chairman 

FS: HOn3 Brass Items

Matthew Dowd
 

Group,

I would like to offer the following HOn3 brass items from my personal collection to this group first:

PSC 17868-1 D&RGW Long RPO Factory Painted Grey & Black MOW scheme #X-119 - $350
PSC 15580 The Continental Oil Co. CONX #5 Tank Car - unpainted - $150

Please message me directly for more details. Thanks!

-Matthew Dowd

Re: Calling all builders!

Robert Bell
 

RepowerAndRegear

Rob Bell 

Re: Calling all builders!

John Hutnick
 

Please tell us the title of the repower regear group so that we can easily find it.

Re: Calling all builders!

tonyk537
 

I also find my Micromark Microlux table saw very valuable.  It will do most anything i need, but it reaches it's limits at times.

Re: Calling all builders!

Railroads
 

You should take a look at the repower and rehear group🤪

Allen Farnsworth

On Feb 24, 2020, at 5:43 PM, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:


I also have the micro mark table saw and find it underpowered.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:39 PM David Varney <vriderclan@...> wrote:
I have the micromart table saw and accessories. Can't imagine modeling without it.  Dave v 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:47 AM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Does anyone use a Byrnes table saw? Opinions? Hefty price but it looks much higher quality than Dremel or Jarmac.

Dusty Burman 


--
lloyd lehrer

Re: Calling all builders!

lloyd lehrer
 

I also have the micro mark table saw and find it underpowered.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:39 PM David Varney <vriderclan@...> wrote:
I have the micromart table saw and accessories. Can't imagine modeling without it.  Dave v 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:47 AM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Does anyone use a Byrnes table saw? Opinions? Hefty price but it looks much higher quality than Dremel or Jarmac.

Dusty Burman 


--
lloyd lehrer

Re: Calling all builders!

David Varney
 

I have the micromart table saw and accessories. Can't imagine modeling without it.  Dave v 


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:47 AM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Does anyone use a Byrnes table saw? Opinions? Hefty price but it looks much higher quality than Dremel or Jarmac.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Calling all builders!

Michael Dunn
 

Ed,

I don’t have any direct experience with the portable bandsaws, but for around the same money you can pick-up a 10” Rikon Bandsaw. Toss on the blade you want and be done.

More often than not, you get what you pay for in tools and it’s often difficult to beat having the right tool.

Mike

PS I love my 4x6 cutoff saw for what it is, but a precision tool it is not and good googly-moogly - if I couldn’t get through something with that 4x6, I would be afraid to use something handheld! LOL


On Feb 23, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...> wrote:

On the  subject of power tools, has anyone here gotten familiar with any of the new breed of portable band saws?  I want something for the hobby room that I can set up with a good 24 tooth Lenox bimetal blade.  Before I get too deep into inventing a solid benchtop mount for the thing I'd like to hear from anyone who has looked in this direction.  Anyone have links to pics or drawings of shop built table top structures for semi-permanent fixed mounting of one of these portable saws?  I know that Milwaukee has a $400 collapsible "job site" saw mounting rig; but it's huge and a bit pricey.   I want to experiment and if that type of saw turns out unsuitable for hobby work it can still "hang out" in my cold welding shop for cutting stuff that is too big for my old 4x6 cutoff saw.  EdW in Los Gatos, CA

Re: Calling all builders!

Jeff Young
 

That baby’s from 1953, Mike. :)

I did start off with a Chinese knock-off of a tabletop mill. It’s largely responsible for my disdain of the stuff. Fortunately that was about the same time the aerospace/defence industry was abandoning the Bay Area due to house prices, and the used market was flooded with good quality American stuff at knock-down prices.

I think I paid more to ship it to Ireland years later than I did for it originally. ;)

Cheers,
Jeff.

Re: Calling all builders!

Mike Van Hove
 

Jeff, is that the new Dremel or a MicroMark Chinese knock-off of a Bridgeport?

I’m very jealous.

Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@...> wrote:

I leave signs on the wall for myself:


Re: Calling all builders!

Jeff Young
 

I leave signs on the wall for myself: