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Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Russ Norris
 

I forgot to mention that I also scraped off the bottom of the rail- not to difficult for a switch, but it would get tiresome for anything more extensive.  I just rubbed the bottom over a sheet of Emery paper


On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:
Hi Sébastien,

I've tried this and gave up! Trying to work through the coating is tedious and non productive nd I've tried fluxes like Carrs Orange and dilute Phosphoric acid. So you end up scraping the coating off but it takes time and seems to me to be against the whole concept. Even after scraping some soldered joints which look OK turn out to be dry (cold).  Personally I think that weather track is best suited to Pliobond track laying not soldered.

Season's greeting to you as well.

Mark K
Oxon, England.


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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Hi Sébastien,

I've tried this and gave up! Trying to work through the coating is tedious and non productive nd I've tried fluxes like Carrs Orange and dilute Phosphoric acid. So you end up scraping the coating off but it takes time and seems to me to be against the whole concept. Even after scraping some soldered joints which look OK turn out to be dry (cold).  Personally I think that weather track is best suited to Pliobond track laying not soldered.

Season's greeting to you as well.

Mark K
Oxon, England.

Re: HOn3 Locomotives and rolling stock for sale revised list 11

wtmiv
 

I am interested in your HOn3 PFM Pagosa Junction Car. Can you send or post photos? Also, any other details about it? Any modifications other than the Blackstone trucks? Does it come with its box?.. are the original brass trucks also included? Sorry for all the questions! Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks!
Bill Moyers
Santa Fe, NM
Email: kb466@...

Re: Blackstone C19 tender modification question

LenTRaley
 

Lloyd:

I have checked out that one and it certainly looks good and at a very fair price. I was wondering if Tony had
another source. I'm going to order a couple of the Western Rails units.

Merry Christmas and be well,

Len 

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Russ Norris
 

Dusty, I just finished building a couple of #6 switches using code 55 rail and Fast Tracks tools and jigs I borrowed from my good friend, Dave Trimble.  I started using Tix flux to solder the rails to the PC ties, but had trouble getting the solder to hold.  I changed to Carr's Orange flux and the difference was immediate.  The switches turned out fine, but I did take away a few tips for good solder joints:

First, use a good thin solder.
Second, use an appropriate flux.
Third, use a HOT soldering iron.
Fourth, when soldering the rail to the PC ties, weight the rail to ensure a tight connection.
Fifth, place the tip of the iron against the web of the rail to put heat as close as possible to the joint.  
And last,  keep pressure on the joint until the solder cools.Fifth

There's  nothing new about all of this.  It's what works for me.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 5:07 PM Dusty <Dustburm@q.com> wrote:
I had a bit of code 55 weathered on hand so I decided to use it to build switches. Clean the bottom real well and solder away. Sounded great. The problem I encountered was conducting the heat from the iron thru the top of the rail base to completely liquefy the solder to get the optimal bond across the base of the rail on top of the ties. That coating kills the heat transfer. I only tried it once so perhaps I screwed up somehow?

Dusty Burman 


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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Lee Gustafson
 

Dumb questions was the top and the bottom of the rail clean? Did you tin the bottom of the rail? Or did you tin the PC board? If yes to the 3 dumb questions then yes the weathering does prevent heat transfer. 

Lee Gustafson 


On Dec 20, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

I had a bit of code 55 weathered on hand so I decided to use it to build switches. Clean the bottom real well and solder away. Sounded great. The problem I encountered was conducting the heat from the iron thru the top of the rail base to completely liquefy the solder to get the optimal bond across the base of the rail on top of the ties. That coating kills the heat transfer. I only tried it once so perhaps I screwed up somehow?

Dusty Burman 

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Dusty
 

I had a bit of code 55 weathered on hand so I decided to use it to build switches. Clean the bottom real well and solder away. Sounded great. The problem I encountered was conducting the heat from the iron thru the top of the rail base to completely liquefy the solder to get the optimal bond across the base of the rail on top of the ties. That coating kills the heat transfer. I only tried it once so perhaps I screwed up somehow?

Dusty Burman 

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Craig Linn
 

Like Bill said, you just need to clean off the weathering for spots you will solder to as well as on the top of the track. 

I’ve used this method on my HOn3 layout and was taught by David Stewart of A&O fame. He has used this on 1.0 and 2.0 layouts. 

Hope this helps. 

Craig

On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Seb J <sebastien.jubault@...> wrote:


Hi guys !

Any advices on Micro-Engineering pre-weathered rail, related to hand laid track, turnout construction, wheels electrical pick-up, does it solder easily to copper ties, and so on !?
Would look nice I guess, but I wonder if the chemical process can be an issue regarding to quality of operations ? Thanks for your advices.

Wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
Sebastien
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Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: Advices on pre-weathered rail

Bill Lugg
 

The little bit I've used it, I find you need to clean the weathering off where you're going to solder (joiners, ties, etc.) and the rail head for operation to be dependable.  The look of the finished product is not bad though.

HTH
Bill Lugg

On 12/20/19 1:46 AM, Seb J wrote:
Hi guys !

Any advices on Micro-Engineering pre-weathered rail, related to hand laid track, turnout construction, wheels electrical pick-up, does it solder easily to copper ties, and so on !?
Would look nice I guess, but I wonder if the chemical process can be an issue regarding to quality of operations ? Thanks for your advices.

Wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
Sebastien
--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Advices on pre-weathered rail

Seb J
 

Hi guys !

Any advices on Micro-Engineering pre-weathered rail, related to hand laid track, turnout construction, wheels electrical pick-up, does it solder easily to copper ties, and so on !?
Would look nice I guess, but I wonder if the chemical process can be an issue regarding to quality of operations ? Thanks for your advices.

Wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
Sebastien
--
Cordialement

Sébastien Jubault
Vice-Président
AECFM - Chemin de Fer de Rillé

Re: Blackstone C19 tender modification question

lloyd lehrer
 

Len, I bought the water tender version of the western rails tenders and the quality is superb.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 7:49 AM LenTRaley via Groups.Io <lentraley=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tony:

What did you use for the oil tender shells on your CB&Q #536 and the C&NWR #64?
Great looking models.

Thanks and be well,

Len Raley


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lloyd lehrer

Re: Blackstone C19 tender modification question

LenTRaley
 

Tony:

What did you use for the oil tender shells on your CB&Q #536 and the C&NWR #64?
Great looking models.

Thanks and be well,

Len Raley

HOn3 Locomotives and rolling stock for sale revised list 11

Brinton Jones
 

                                                     

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Doug Boudakian <dboudrrtrain@...>
 

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Re: D&RGW NG Signals

Jeff Young
 

Ah, cool. Thanks for filling in some of the details, Earl.

SOLD: MINE PLANT by Tillison

Darryl Huffman
 

Mine Plant has been sold.

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Darryl Huffman
 

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Re: D&RGW NG Signals

Earl Knoob
 

This was a standard practice on all railroads who dispatched trains by timetable and train order.  There were two types of train orders issued.  First one was called a "Form 19" that gave a train right to run over the road with meets with other trains and other instructions as needed.  If any additional orders were issued that did not contradict with existing orders, new orders could be handed up to the trains on the fly (aka "hooping up orders").  If a new train order was issued that contradicted or changed something on an existing train order, the new order went on a "Form 31" train order.  These orders had to signed for by both the engineer and conductor, requiring the train to be stopped.  In which case, the agent would put the train order signal to stop.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 4:07 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] D&RGW NG Signals
 
The East Broad Top used similar signals (also called order boards) to indicate whether the train needed to stop for orders or not.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 5:53 PM Jeff Young <jeff@...> wrote:
Someone might be able to provide more accurate info, but as I understand it the signal (called an order board) indicated whether or not the conductor needed to stop at the depot to pick up new orders or not.

Cheers,
Jeff.





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Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/

Re: D&RGW NG Signals

Mark Rosche
 

Hi All,

Many thanks to those of you who answered my query!!!

Regards,

Mark

Don‘t take life too seriously...no one gets out alive anyway....

Re: D&RGW NG Signals

Russ Norris
 

The East Broad Top used similar signals (also called order boards) to indicate whether the train needed to stop for orders or not.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 5:53 PM Jeff Young <jeff@...> wrote:
Someone might be able to provide more accurate info, but as I understand it the signal (called an order board) indicated whether or not the conductor needed to stop at the depot to pick up new orders or not.

Cheers,
Jeff.





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Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/