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Re: Coupler thoughts

hiroechan
 

Dusty,

I rather agree with you about a drop-in shank; personally I'd like to see short, medium, and long standard shanks (or even just shorter and longer). 

In the meantime though, I'm not letting that hold me up from improving the look of my fleet. On a whole train, the overall look is worth the effort, to my eye.

-Drew McCann


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 7:19 PM Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
No on the 705 with the current shank. Give me a 705 coupler to effortlessly retro fit most existing equipment before making the 705 the defacto std. 714s and 705s aren't ALWAYS the best coupling and uncoupling mates. Two 705s can be pretty tight for 'picking'.

The first '705' could/should have been a drop in for 714 compatible boxes. I just assembled a 714 and melt welded the split knuckle parts together. Guess what? They still pivot and center (oops, and bounce). So anyone with a Blackstone piece of equipment, a screw driver, a knife, one right thumb and one left thumb could improve the appearance of that engine or car with a drop in. Let's see? If half of the existing Blackstone cars got drop in 705s at $2.75+- a car how much $ is that? Plus the lost spring replacement revenue! 

Look at the HO 'scale' coupler model. Narrow box for scratch builder and such. But a #5 box compatible choice for existing applications. Why not Hon3.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Coupler thoughts

Dusty
 

No on the 705 with the current shank. Give me a 705 coupler to effortlessly retro fit most existing equipment before making the 705 the defacto std. 714s and 705s aren't ALWAYS the best coupling and uncoupling mates. Two 705s can be pretty tight for 'picking'.

The first '705' could/should have been a drop in for 714 compatible boxes. I just assembled a 714 and melt welded the split knuckle parts together. Guess what? They still pivot and center (oops, and bounce). So anyone with a Blackstone piece of equipment, a screw driver, a knife, one right thumb and one left thumb could improve the appearance of that engine or car with a drop in. Let's see? If half of the existing Blackstone cars got drop in 705s at $2.75+- a car how much $ is that? Plus the lost spring replacement revenue! 

Look at the HO 'scale' coupler model. Narrow box for scratch builder and such. But a #5 box compatible choice for existing applications. Why not Hon3.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Coupler thoughts

Mark Lewis
 

Chris:

My experience with 705's has been positive, although some installs need an unreasonable amount of tinkering to get them installed. The 705's couple/uncouple to 714's, to my satisfaction (I am a manual/"skewer" uncoupler user) and will couple to the Sergent equipped car I built, but uncoupling can be a challenge.

My vote to your question is...705's.

My hope is that Kadee takes the many concerns voiced by HOn3 modelers and offers a smaller draft gear box to contain a coupler shank that would swap into molded on Blackstone and Rail Line draft gear boxes, without surgery.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.



On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 4:39 PM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
That was the thrust of my inquiry. Has the industry standard changed? And taking this a bit further, assuming Blackstone releases a new car (and I have no knowledge that that is the case) would they stick with the 714 as before?

The reason for my inquiry is that while I own a semi-stupid amount of HOn3, I am not currently actively modeling in the scale and wanted to get the thoughts of those who are. While I don’t know of anything specific, (so don’t get excited) I assume that at some point in the future, Blackstone, Micro-Trains (or whoever buys that tooling) or some new player in HOn3 is going to be asking themselves this question, and wanted to have an answer in my mind should I be asked.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:

Blackstone considered Sergents but realised #714's are regarded as industry standards and that was an insurrmountable barrier.

Mark K

Re: Coupler thoughts

claneon30
 

That was the thrust of my inquiry. Has the industry standard changed? And taking this a bit further, assuming Blackstone releases a new car (and I have no knowledge that that is the case) would they stick with the 714 as before?

The reason for my inquiry is that while I own a semi-stupid amount of HOn3, I am not currently actively modeling in the scale and wanted to get the thoughts of those who are. While I don’t know of anything specific, (so don’t get excited) I assume that at some point in the future, Blackstone, Micro-Trains (or whoever buys that tooling) or some new player in HOn3 is going to be asking themselves this question, and wanted to have an answer in my mind should I be asked.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...> wrote:

Blackstone considered Sergents but realised #714's are regarded as industry standards and that was an insurrmountable barrier.

Mark K

Re: BS K-27 motors?

Mark Lewis
 

Brian:

The Blackstone K27's were released in 2006, 2010 and 2012 and only the 2006 release had an issue with over oiled motors, from the overseas manufacturer.

I owned a 2006 release #455/green boiler K27, that never exhibited any of the over oiling symptoms, while I owned operated it and I sold it about 2 years ago and the current owner has not had any issues with the motor, either.

Mark Lewis
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 3:57 PM bassb04011 <fishingmaine@...> wrote:
So do pretty much all 2006 run BS K-27s need to be remotored? I have one coming I think is 2007 but assume that’s still considered part of the 2006 run?
Is there a particular motor that is best for this model?
Thanks
Brian


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Doug Boudakian <dboudrrtrain@...>
 

HOn3 Annual 2009, 2010 and 2018. All lightly used but in very good condition. $35 for all including shipping in the USA. Send private reply if interested.

Doug Boudakian
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Re: Coupler thoughts

claneon30
 

Good one!

As Mark K pointed out, I doubt they would be considered by any manufacturer for the RTR market., which was my premise. Say thing in the O scale market, it would be either the Kadee 803 or the San Juan Evolution, even though there are other brands/sizes in use. 

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@...> wrote:

OK, if I can’t say “Sergents” then: “whichever is easiest to replace with a Sergent”. ;)



Re: BS K-27's for Sale

lloyd lehrer
 

Sorry Kevin, I thought I sent that to the group.
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:24 PM kevin b via Groups.Io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

hang on....

I was letting the person who posted they will have 6 locos for sale soon know that i was interested.
I am not the person with locos for sale.
Kevin,









Have they been remotored?


lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097




On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 1:17 AM kevin b via Groups.Io <arcatruck13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



P.S. - I will have 6 first run K-27's to sell soon. Let me know if you have any interest

i'm interested.

thanks.
Kevin.
arcatruck13@...

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lloyd lehrer


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lloyd lehrer

BS K-27 motors?

bassb04011
 

So do pretty much all 2006 run BS K-27s need to be remotored? I have one coming I think is 2007 but assume that’s still considered part of the 2006 run?
Is there a particular motor that is best for this model?
Thanks
Brian

Re: BS K-27's for Sale

kevin b
 


hang on....

I was letting the person who posted they will have 6 locos for sale soon know that i was interested.
I am not the person with locos for sale.
Kevin,









Have they been remotored?


lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097




On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 1:17 AM kevin b via Groups.Io <arcatruck13@...> wrote:



P.S. - I will have 6 first run K-27's to sell soon. Let me know if you have any interest

i'm interested.

thanks.
Kevin.
arcatruck13@...

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lloyd lehrer

Re: BS K-27's for Sale

Mark Kasprowicz
 

If they are second run they do not need remotoring. Only the first run has their motors over-oiled.

Mark K

Re: Coupler thoughts

Art D3
 


With the smaller coupler box, I would say the 705s.

Art Dutra


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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

Re: Coupler thoughts

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Blackstone considered Sergents but realised #714's are regarded as industry standards and that was an insurrmountable barrier.

Mark K

Re: Coupler thoughts

claneon30
 

I was looking for feedback between the Kadees. The Sergents are great and I know some folks love them (remember I had a long article on installing them in the 2011 HOn3 Annual). But they are a different animal and unlikely to be included with a RTR car.

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:14 AM, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:

Just because Chris says don't say it, does not mean the rest of us don't want data.

lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 9:59 AM Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> wrote:

Do NOT say Sergents.  ( I guess that leaves me out of the discussion.)  🤔


Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:11 AM, claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:

Comrade Train Enthusiasts,

 

Now that the Kadee 705 have been out for awhile and we've had a chance to play with them, I have an informal polling question.

 

If someone were to offer a new ready-to-run car as we've seen from Blackstone or Micro-Trains, which coupler would you want it to come with: 714 or 705s?

 

Do NOT say Sergents.

 

Chris Lane





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lloyd lehrer

Re: Coupler thoughts

Mike Van Hove
 

Well said, Jeff.

Mike Van hove

On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@...> wrote:

OK, if I can’t say “Sergents” then: “whichever is easiest to replace with a Sergent”. ;)

Re: Coupler thoughts

Jeff Young
 

OK, if I can’t say “Sergents” then: “whichever is easiest to replace with a Sergent”. ;)

Re: Coupler thoughts

hiroechan
 

Gents,

So far, I've installed the new 705's on approximately 60 cars, plus four locomotives. (two blackstone C19's, two Grandt Line original 23-ton boxcabs.) I plan to equip my entire fleet, and will sell off about 95% of my 714's. 

Given a choice, I'd definitely prefer any new RTR equipment ship with the 705's vs any other option (including sergeants).

The 705 couples easily with the 714 and N scale versions both, on straight and level track.
On curves, there's a bit more manual alignment needed to get them to engage. 
I only have a single sergent-equipped car, but the 705's couple easily with that as well. 

--Drew McCann

Re: Coupler thoughts

John
 

Hi Chris,
The 705s would be great! As long as its not a D&RGW car🙃
SP narrow gauge would be nice
John Peckham


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:09 AM, duncan
<train3guy@...> wrote:
Chris,

    I haven't been able to get any of the new couplers because my local
hobby shop, Caboose, doesn't have them, despite my ordering them about
four months ago!  But, from what I have been able to hear from others, I
think I'd go with the new couplers, the # 705.  Mostly this is because
of their ability to couple with all the others: 714, 713 and Sergents.

Duncan Harvey





Re: Coupler thoughts

duncan
 

Chris,

    I haven't been able to get any of the new couplers because my local hobby shop, Caboose, doesn't have them, despite my ordering them about four months ago!  But, from what I have been able to hear from others, I think I'd go with the new couplers, the # 705.  Mostly this is because of their ability to couple with all the others: 714, 713 and Sergents.

Duncan Harvey

Re: Coupler thoughts

Dale Buxton
 

Of the two choices given I would hands down choose the 705's. But, here is the rub. Because they couple to both 714's and Sergents. I would pick them for that reason and that reason only. This is probably not what you wanted to hear but there you are.

Dale Buxton

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 10:11 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:

Comrade Train Enthusiasts,

 

Now that the Kadee 705 have been out for awhile and we've had a chance to play with them, I have an informal polling question.

 

If someone were to offer a new ready-to-run car as we've seen from Blackstone or Micro-Trains, which coupler would you want it to come with: 714 or 705s?

 

Do NOT say Sergents.

 

Chris Lane