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Re: RR Building addition

Ric Case
 

Steve the track plan is impressive. Looking forward to seeing the progress. 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:18 AM, Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:

the new additIon has space for the operators to get around

 

It should be morphed to fit as I build it.
   Or changed as the need arises.
-Steve Hatch


HOn3 Locomotives and rolling stock for sale revised list 7

Brinton Jones
 

                                                   

ALL BLACKSTONE ARE IN ORIGINAL BOXES

BLACKSTONE LOCOMOTIVES

D&RGW NO 462 K27 2-8-2 Royal Gorge herald green boiler P.N. B310105-S $350.00 Plus shipping

D&RG NO 345 C19 2-8-0 MOVIE SCHEME P.N. B310208-S ORANGE & SILVER, BUMBLE BEE, $360.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW NO 345 C19 2-8-0 Flying Rio Grande herald P.N. B310201-S $325.00 Plus shipping missing wind deflector right side.

All locos have about two hours run time.

Most Blackstone cars are new never run

30’ BOX CARS

D&RGW 30’ Box car Flying Grande herald NO 3468 P.N. B34018 ORANGE CAR SILVER TOP $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ REEFERS

D&RGW 30’ Reefer Royal Gorge Rout herald NO 43 P.N. 340808 $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ FLAT CAR

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6033 P.N.340308W $35.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6057 P.N.340310W 2EA $35.00ea Plus shipping

BRASS CAR

PFM D&RGW Pagosa Junction car Factory paint Car No 215 Blackstone trucks $200.00 Plus shipping

UNBUILT KITS

PRECISION SCALE D&RGW 30’ REEFER Plastic kit w brass trucks $25.00 Plus shipping

GRANDT LINE D&RGW 30’ Flat car Hon3 KIT #5186 $20.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #357Coaling Station $50.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #404 Quincy Traveling crane $25.00 Plus shipping

PHOTOS ON REQUEST

NO PAYPAL

Check or USPS Money Order only

BRINTON JONES    

bmrjones@...

30993 HUNTWOOD AVE # 206

HAYWARD CA 94544-7000


Re: RR Building addition

Steve Hatch
 

the new additIon has space for the operators to get around

 

It should be morphed to fit as I build it.
   Or changed as the need arises.
-Steve Hatch


RR Building addition

Steve Hatch
 

Finished the electrical in the building including 18 outlets in the ceiling for RR lighting.
maybe about 1/4 done with the insulation.
Have had three major 1" an hour rains and no leaks dso everything is looking good.
Sheet rock next.
-Steve


HOn3 Locomotives and rolling stock for sale revised list 6

Brinton Jones
 

                                                     

ALL BLACKSTONE ARE IN ORIGINAL BOXES

BLACKSTONE LOCOMOTIVES

D&RGW NO 462 K27 2-8-2 Royal Gorge herald green boiler P.N. B310105-S $350.00 Plus shipping

D&RG NO 345 C19 2-8-0 MOVIE SCHEME P.N. B310208-S ORANGE & SILVER, BUMBLE BEE, $360.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW NO 345 C19 2-8-0 Flying Rio Grande herald P.N. B310201-S $325.00 Plus shipping missing wind deflector right side.

All locos have about two hours run time.

Most Blackstone cars are new never run

30’ BOX CARS

D&RGW 30’ Box car Flying Grande herald NO 3468 P.N. B34018 ORANGE CAR SILVER TOP $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ REEFERS

D&RGW 30’ Reefer Royal Gorge Rout herald NO 43 P.N. 340808 $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ Reefer Royal Gorge Rout herald NO 32 P.N. 340807 $55.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ FLAT CAR

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6023 P.N.340307W $35.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6033 P.N.340308W $35.00 Plus shipping

D&RGW 30’ Flat car Weathered D&RGW NO 6057 P.N.340310W 2EA $35.00ea Plus shipping

BRASS CAR

PFM D&RGW Pagosa Junction car Factory paint Car No 215 Blackstone trucks $200.00 Plus shipping

UNBUILT KITS

PRECISION SCALE D&RGW 30’ REEFER Plastic kit w brass trucks $25.00 Plus shipping

GRANDT LINE D&RGW 30’ Flat car Hon3 KIT #5186 $20.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #357Coaling Station $50.00 Plus shipping

Campbell #404 Quincy Traveling crane $25.00 Plus shipping

PHOTOS ON REQUEST

NO PAYPAL

Check or USPS Money Order only

BRINTON JONES    

bmrjones@...

30993 HUNTWOOD AVE # 206

HAYWARD CA 94544-7000


Re: 40th National Narrow Gauge Convention

Bill Koch
 

The link above isn't correct. It should be www.40nngc.com It doesn't need the "th"

Bill


40th National Narrow Gauge Convention

Peter Smith
 

Correction to my last message. The convention web address should read: www.40nngc.com.


Pete Smith
40th NNGC Co-Chairman


Re: 40th National Narrow Gauge Convention

Mike Van Hove
 

Pete,
Remove the “TH” from the link and it works fine.

Aren’t computers fun?

Mike Van Hove

On Sep 11, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Peter Smith <smithpb@...> wrote:

Just to let you know the 40th National Narrow Gauge Convention website is up and running. We will be making changes and updates on a regular basis. You can check it out at www.40thnngc.com. You may register on the site by downloading the appropriate form or fill it out and pay online. Early registration is $99.

The Embassy Suites hotel is now accepting reservations. Call 1-800-EMBASSY (1-800-362-2779) or use the link on the convention web site. A word to the wise—the hotel tends to fill up fast. When you call, use the group code “NNG” to obtain the convention rate of $139/night. That includes a full breakfast, a daily happy hour and free parking. Each room includes a double sofa bed so a double room can handle three people.

See you in St. Louis.

Pete Smith
40th NNGC Co-Chairman



Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

David Keith
 

Stephen,

Your diagram is what Steve Hatch proposed and I stated would work.  It does not address the issues of wheel sets crossing both sets of gaps at the same time which can cause ARs fits.  Long trains or multiple trains could cause those problems in the latest diagram.  

So the latest is limited to trains shorter than the reversing section and limited to a single train going in/out of the reversing section at a time   if your good with those limitations the latest diagram should work flawlessly for you.

Dave K 


40th National Narrow Gauge Convention

Peter Smith
 

Just to let you know the 40th National Narrow Gauge Convention website is up and running. We will be making changes and updates on a regular basis. You can check it out at www.40thnngc.com. You may register on the site by downloading the appropriate form or fill it out and pay online. Early registration is $99.

The Embassy Suites hotel is now accepting reservations. Call 1-800-EMBASSY (1-800-362-2779) or use the link on the convention web site. A word to the wise—the hotel tends to fill up fast. When you call, use the group code “NNG” to obtain the convention rate of $139/night. That includes a full breakfast, a daily happy hour and free parking. Each room includes a double sofa bed so a double room can handle three people.

See you in St. Louis.

Pete Smith
40th NNGC Co-Chairman


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

Stephen Silver
 

Thanks Dave.  This portion is not dual gauge, narrow gauge only, sorry for the misunderstanding.  Dual Gauge loop is another whole part and is already settled on the auto reversing.  Attached is another thought.  The Auto Reversing section is in blue

Life is mostly attitude and timing


On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 5:31:00 AM PDT, David Keith <dckeith14@...> wrote:


I agree with Steve Hatch that your "loop main" could be removed from the reversing section and only the "S-curve" need be reversed.

With an Auto-Reverser, you do not want to have a train/trains going across both gap locations at the same time.  Doing so will cause the reverser to toggle back and forth with every wheel (metal) crossing.  Steve's proposal will not prevent multiple crossings, two narrow gauge trains (or a single really long train) could cross the gap locations at the same time.  If you try to put one train into the staging area while pulling another out, this could become a common occurrence.

If I understand correctly, you only plan to reverse narrow gauge trains.  Given that desire, I suggest that you isolate the whole reversing loop from the standard gauge.  In the plan provided, keep the full loop magenta (as narrow gauge) and then have the standard gauge and narrow gauge connect outside away from the loop.  Then you have a nice long reversing section, and the gap locations for the loop can be close to the single turnout that decides if train goes left or right (clockwise or counter-clockwise) around the loop.  With the gaps at the back end of the frog, there is no concern about multiple trains crossing the gaps at the same time, it's physically not possible.

If you like the above suggestion....Use the contact on the turnout rather than an auto-reverser to switch the polarity....Simpler again.

Stephen, if your space permits consider the attached diagram.  It shows my final proposal.
  • Turnout labeled RS is NG only, and the reversing turnout.  The contacts control the polarity on the magenta reversing loop.
  • I added standard gauge track in red to by-pass the NG reversing loop.
  • In blue (should be magenta), I double tracked the loop, lengthening the staging tracks, so that you can store longer trains or serially store trains.
  • The black X's mark track connections/turnouts not required in my proposal

These changes make the loop easier to wire and easier for your operators to operate  Enjoy,

Dave K.


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

David Keith
 

I agree with Steve Hatch that your "loop main" could be removed from the reversing section and only the "S-curve" need be reversed.

With an Auto-Reverser, you do not want to have a train/trains going across both gap locations at the same time.  Doing so will cause the reverser to toggle back and forth with every wheel (metal) crossing.  Steve's proposal will not prevent multiple crossings, two narrow gauge trains (or a single really long train) could cross the gap locations at the same time.  If you try to put one train into the staging area while pulling another out, this could become a common occurrence.

If I understand correctly, you only plan to reverse narrow gauge trains.  Given that desire, I suggest that you isolate the whole reversing loop from the standard gauge.  In the plan provided, keep the full loop magenta (as narrow gauge) and then have the standard gauge and narrow gauge connect outside away from the loop.  Then you have a nice long reversing section, and the gap locations for the loop can be close to the single turnout that decides if train goes left or right (clockwise or counter-clockwise) around the loop.  With the gaps at the back end of the frog, there is no concern about multiple trains crossing the gaps at the same time, it's physically not possible.

If you like the above suggestion....Use the contact on the turnout rather than an auto-reverser to switch the polarity....Simpler again.

Stephen, if your space permits consider the attached diagram.  It shows my final proposal.
  • Turnout labeled RS is NG only, and the reversing turnout.  The contacts control the polarity on the magenta reversing loop.
  • I added standard gauge track in red to by-pass the NG reversing loop.
  • In blue (should be magenta), I double tracked the loop, lengthening the staging tracks, so that you can store longer trains or serially store trains.
  • The black X's mark track connections/turnouts not required in my proposal

These changes make the loop easier to wire and easier for your operators to operate  Enjoy,

Dave K.


Re: New Member

John Niemeyer
 

Mike
 
Could you send me a private e-mail off list. I couldn’t find your e-mail address.
 
John Niemeyer
 
 
 
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process.

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

Steve Hatch
 

  The S curve section from frog to frog including the passing siding is your reversing section.
 The portion of your main line (you have it in purple) is not part of the reversing section.
The entire oval all the way around is not part of the reversing section.
  Non of it should be purple.
One power shield to the oval and one reversing shield to the S and and your done.
-Steve Hatch


Re: New Member

Mike Conder
 

Actually, those nicknames come from a separate private email list ... apologies for misreading the "Join" request.

Mike Conder - Moderator on HOn3 and that other list ...

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:32 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
I was referring to the 3D printing aspect, but yes, sometimes you chose your moniker, but the best moniker’s and nicknames chose you.

Barkeep dubbed me Preacher. I would have chosen something different…and not nearly as fitting!

Preacher

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573






-- 
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

claneon30
 

I was referring to the 3D printing aspect, but yes, sometimes you chose your moniker, but the best moniker’s and nicknames chose you.

Barkeep dubbed me Preacher. I would have chosen something different…and not nearly as fitting!

Preacher

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573






-- 
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

Russ Norris
 

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573




--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

claneon30
 

Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573




Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Climax@...
 

Mike, I got you beat!  All three of my "kids" were kits put together by my wife over a period 7 and 9 months!  She did a fine job of assembly and the finishes were excellent!  Talk about Sound, the speakers were loud and clear.  I do have to admit that the ash pans were well used and the fires need feeding, it seemed to be endlessly.  For 0-4-0's they got along pretty good with no track at all, until they got to the 0-2-0 stage in which we needed bumpers in various locations.  Seems the cab roof kept hitting low obstructions which caused the sound systems to activate.
Mule

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Conder
Sent: Sep 9, 2019 12:06 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] D&RG early 2-8-0

Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

jczul36
 

Lol
The first kits where tender drive models


On Sep 8, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

We, both my KITS came in shoe boxes.  Darn autocorrect!

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:06 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL