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Re: New Member

John Niemeyer
 

Mike
 
Could you send me a private e-mail off list. I couldn’t find your e-mail address.
 
John Niemeyer
 
 
 
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process.

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

Steve Hatch
 

  The S curve section from frog to frog including the passing siding is your reversing section.
 The portion of your main line (you have it in purple) is not part of the reversing section.
The entire oval all the way around is not part of the reversing section.
  Non of it should be purple.
One power shield to the oval and one reversing shield to the S and and your done.
-Steve Hatch


Re: New Member

Mike Conder
 

Actually, those nicknames come from a separate private email list ... apologies for misreading the "Join" request.

Mike Conder - Moderator on HOn3 and that other list ...

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:32 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
I was referring to the 3D printing aspect, but yes, sometimes you chose your moniker, but the best moniker’s and nicknames chose you.

Barkeep dubbed me Preacher. I would have chosen something different…and not nearly as fitting!

Preacher

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573






-- 
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

claneon30
 

I was referring to the 3D printing aspect, but yes, sometimes you chose your moniker, but the best moniker’s and nicknames chose you.

Barkeep dubbed me Preacher. I would have chosen something different…and not nearly as fitting!

Preacher

Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573






-- 
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

Russ Norris
 

I vote for knifeyknife too.  Has a bit of an edge to it.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:16 AM claneon30 <chrislaneon30@...> wrote:
Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573




--
Russ Norris, MMR
Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


Re: New Member

claneon30
 

Well, Knifey, that sound as handy as a bribe in the Mayor’s pocket!

Welcome,

Preacher


Chris Lane - Editor HOn3 Annual



On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mike Mackey via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957@...> wrote:

Fort Worth. 

BTW, Rick, Larry tells me that you and I need to discuss 3D printing. I’m in charge of sales and marketing for a company that sells 3D printers and does printing for hire. 

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:

Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573




Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Climax@...
 

Mike, I got you beat!  All three of my "kids" were kits put together by my wife over a period 7 and 9 months!  She did a fine job of assembly and the finishes were excellent!  Talk about Sound, the speakers were loud and clear.  I do have to admit that the ash pans were well used and the fires need feeding, it seemed to be endlessly.  For 0-4-0's they got along pretty good with no track at all, until they got to the 0-2-0 stage in which we needed bumpers in various locations.  Seems the cab roof kept hitting low obstructions which caused the sound systems to activate.
Mule

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Conder
Sent: Sep 9, 2019 12:06 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] D&RG early 2-8-0

Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

jczul36
 

Lol
The first kits where tender drive models


On Sep 8, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

We, both my KITS came in shoe boxes.  Darn autocorrect!

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:06 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Mike Conder
 

We, both my KITS came in shoe boxes.  Darn autocorrect!

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:06 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Mike Conder
 

Both my kids came in shoe boxes!  But the solid both is probably a good give-away ....

Mike Conder

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

Stephen Silver
 

Thanks

Since I do not plan on running anything DC, and don't even have a DC transformer, everything is going to be gapped for DCC.  I understand about gapping a reverse loop.  Frogs are all gapped and isolated, fed from the Tortoise. All turnout controls will be from the cab, no switches at this point though the wiring harness will be made available for momentary on switches to activate the Tortoises if I choose to in the future.  All lengths for auto reversing will accommodate the longest train I plan on running.

Life is mostly attitude and timing


On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 12:56:21 PM PDT, <Climax@...> wrote:


Two basic rules no matter if you are running DC or DCC.  You cannot have + & - going to the same track, it's a dead short.
Rule 1.  Always feed a switch from the point end and put gaps after the frogs.
Rule 2.  In any reverse circuit or Y you must have a set of gaps or you will have + & - problems.

If you are using an auto reverse, you still need a set of gaps.  When the reverse polarity sees the short it throws the polarity automatically.
If you are manually controlling the reverse loop, you must have two gaps, use a DPDT Toggle switch to throw the polarity on the section coming out of, or come to a compete stop and throw it while in the loop if wired to the loop.

If it will run on DC it will run on DCC.

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Sep 8, 2019 1:25 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Reversing section DCC advice sought

Just one reverser needed on the left long curve on the fuchia. Pick any hunk of the single track.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019, 10:14 AM Stephen Silver via Groups.Io <ssilver996=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi group.  As I continue to redesign, tweak, and understand some of the grade issues I need to solve, I have run up against a reversing loop question that I am having a challenge solving as someone who is building his first DCC layout.
Either of the two left hand turnouts at "X" lead to another reversing loop which is much simpler.  This is the narrow gauge portion only in red with the section I am looking for help on in magenta.  As you can see, at the turn out in the upper left, it continues on back to the mainline.  Do I need circuit breakers as well like the PSX

All thoughts and ideas welcome.  I am running Digitrax, intend to power the frog from the Tortoise via DS44 decoders, using Fast Tracks built turnouts.


--
lloyd lehrer


Books for sale-sold

Doug Boudakian <dboudrrtrain@...>
 


Still available 
Rio Grande Narrow Gauge in Color vol.2  1960 and beyond . System Demise and Tourist rebirth by Thomas Brunner. Brand new in shrink wrap. $50.

Sold books ————————
Rio Grande High Side gondolas The versatile gons of the D&RG and D&RGW Narrow Gauge by Stan Rhine. Brand new softbound. Shrunk wrapped. -Sold

In Search of Colorado Narrow Gauge 1950-1951 by Robert MacDonald. Softbound. Brand new.125 pages. —Sold

Shipping extra. Ship in the USA only.  If interested please send private reply.

Doug Boudakian 
dboudrrtrain@...



Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

Climax@...
 

Two basic rules no matter if you are running DC or DCC.  You cannot have + & - going to the same track, it's a dead short.
Rule 1.  Always feed a switch from the point end and put gaps after the frogs.
Rule 2.  In any reverse circuit or Y you must have a set of gaps or you will have + & - problems.

If you are using an auto reverse, you still need a set of gaps.  When the reverse polarity sees the short it throws the polarity automatically.
If you are manually controlling the reverse loop, you must have two gaps, use a DPDT Toggle switch to throw the polarity on the section coming out of, or come to a compete stop and throw it while in the loop if wired to the loop.

If it will run on DC it will run on DCC.

-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd lehrer
Sent: Sep 8, 2019 1:25 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Reversing section DCC advice sought

Just one reverser needed on the left long curve on the fuchia. Pick any hunk of the single track.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019, 10:14 AM Stephen Silver via Groups.Io <ssilver996=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi group.  As I continue to redesign, tweak, and understand some of the grade issues I need to solve, I have run up against a reversing loop question that I am having a challenge solving as someone who is building his first DCC layout.
Either of the two left hand turnouts at "X" lead to another reversing loop which is much simpler.  This is the narrow gauge portion only in red with the section I am looking for help on in magenta.  As you can see, at the turn out in the upper left, it continues on back to the mainline.  Do I need circuit breakers as well like the PSX

All thoughts and ideas welcome.  I am running Digitrax, intend to power the frog from the Tortoise via DS44 decoders, using Fast Tracks built turnouts.


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Reversing section DCC advice sought

lloyd lehrer
 

Just one reverser needed on the left long curve on the fuchia. Pick any hunk of the single track.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019, 10:14 AM Stephen Silver via Groups.Io <ssilver996=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi group.  As I continue to redesign, tweak, and understand some of the grade issues I need to solve, I have run up against a reversing loop question that I am having a challenge solving as someone who is building his first DCC layout.
Either of the two left hand turnouts at "X" lead to another reversing loop which is much simpler.  This is the narrow gauge portion only in red with the section I am looking for help on in magenta.  As you can see, at the turn out in the upper left, it continues on back to the mainline.  Do I need circuit breakers as well like the PSX

All thoughts and ideas welcome.  I am running Digitrax, intend to power the frog from the Tortoise via DS44 decoders, using Fast Tracks built turnouts.


--
lloyd lehrer


Reversing section DCC advice sought

Stephen Silver
 

Hi group.  As I continue to redesign, tweak, and understand some of the grade issues I need to solve, I have run up against a reversing loop question that I am having a challenge solving as someone who is building his first DCC layout.
Either of the two left hand turnouts at "X" lead to another reversing loop which is much simpler.  This is the narrow gauge portion only in red with the section I am looking for help on in magenta.  As you can see, at the turn out in the upper left, it continues on back to the mainline.  Do I need circuit breakers as well like the PSX

All thoughts and ideas welcome.  I am running Digitrax, intend to power the frog from the Tortoise via DS44 decoders, using Fast Tracks built turnouts.


For sale Narrow Gauge Books reduced prices

Doug Boudakian <dboudrrtrain@...>
 

Rio Grande Narrow Gauge in Color vol.2  1960 and beyond . System Demise and Tourist rebirth by Thomas Brunner. Brand new in shrink wrap. $50.

Rio Grande High Side gondolas The versatile gons of the D&RG and D&RGW Narrow Gauge by Stan Rhine. Brand new softbound. Shrunk wrapped. $27.

In Search of Colorado Narrow Gauge 1950-1951 by Robert MacDonald. Softbound. Brand new.125 pages.$12.

Shipping extra. Ship in the USA only.  If interested please send private reply.

Doug Boudakian 
dboudrrtrain@...


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

jczul36
 

There were two runs of Kemtron kits.  The first run is in s little box and has the earlier drivers. The second run is a more refined kit with superior etchings and better drivers.  It’s the one in the brown rectangular box.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Nice to know, but what do you mean by "updated drivers?". How can you tell which ones are the updated ones?

I know very little about the various versions of the Kemtron kits, though I have one with a solid brass boiler.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike the old Kemtron’s run great if it’s the one with updated drivers.  I use a NWSL 28-1 gearbox and replace the Kemtron Gearbox. I did the Blackstone just to see if I could do it.
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL


Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Lee Gustafson
 

JC,

Thanks for the reply re: Kemtron C-16’s. My experience with those kits goes back about 45 years when Len Madsen, Al Kamn, John Carruthers and I built what must have been the very first kits available, solid boilers, tender drive, all brass wheels they ran but it took it a lot of loving work to get them to move. I believe a picture of John Carruthers HOn3 and On3 C-16’s appeared in MR long ago. I do remember Bob V’s article on his C-16 and was truly impressed as I am with your work. Take care and best wishes.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 9:39 PM, jczul36 via Groups.Io <zul36@...> wrote:

Lee,I did the blackstone to see if it could be done.  Bob V., Dave Garcia, I, and others have been able to make them perform flawlessly.  
jc


On Sep 7, 2019, at 3:59 PM, Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf@...> wrote:

The Kemtron early or intermediate C-16 kit will provide the parts to build a reasonable class 56 2-8-0 but the mechanism will be a challenge if not a significant source of frustration. I believe that is the reason Juan Carlos adapted a Blackstone C-19 mechanism to the Kemtron C-16 superstructure. YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:

Brian,

 

I would suggest (if you can find one) a Kemtron early C-16.  They made kits of the early, intermediate, and modern C-16’s. The later models (Westside and others) were typically modeled after the four remaining C-16’s and all in the modern versions.  I have occasionally seen the Kemtrons on ebay.  Hope this helps.

 

Bruce Dunlevy

 


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Re: New Member

Mike Conder
 

Denver area. 

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:42 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Mike where are you located.?

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573


Re: New Member

Mike Mackey
 

Thanks Lurky!

Mike

On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:06 PM, lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:

Welcome Mike.

lloyd "Lurky" lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 5:17 PM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
Welcome to the group of kids thinkers.  Nickname time: Knifey after Mac the Knife (line you've never heard that before!)

Mayour

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573


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lloyd lehrer