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Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Lee Gustafson
 

The new owners of Precision Scale Models in Washington state are listing many of the original C-16 parts on eBay. I believe a call to them during business hours may provide more information. I’ll see if I can find their phone number.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Exactly.  And why I'm looking at doing the same but using a Westside C-16 as the donor mech with Kemtron details.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 4:59 PM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The Kemtron early or intermediate C-16 kit will provide the parts to build a reasonable class 56 2-8-0 but the mechanism will be a challenge if not a significant source of frustration. I believe that is the reason Juan Carlos adapted a Blackstone C-19 mechanism to the Kemtron C-16 superstructure. YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:

Brian,

 

I would suggest (if you can find one) a Kemtron early C-16.  They made kits of the early, intermediate, and modern C-16’s. The later models (Westside and others) were typically modeled after the four remaining C-16’s and all in the modern versions.  I have occasionally seen the Kemtrons on ebay.  Hope this helps.

 

Bruce Dunlevy

 


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Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Mike Conder
 

The early Class 60 locos look virtually identical to the early Class 56 locos.  Also, the early Class 70 (later C-19) locos are almost identical in most details.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 4:21 PM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Bob (and everyone) are there any good photos to be found of the Class 56 locos? I know the Class 56 (10-24E) drawing is in the Baldwin narrow gauge loco book but I haven't done a deep dive on any of the other D&RG books yet....

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Mike Conder
 

Exactly.  And why I'm looking at doing the same but using a Westside C-16 as the donor mech with Kemtron details.

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 4:59 PM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The Kemtron early or intermediate C-16 kit will provide the parts to build a reasonable class 56 2-8-0 but the mechanism will be a challenge if not a significant source of frustration. I believe that is the reason Juan Carlos adapted a Blackstone C-19 mechanism to the Kemtron C-16 superstructure. YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:

Brian,

 

I would suggest (if you can find one) a Kemtron early C-16.  They made kits of the early, intermediate, and modern C-16’s. The later models (Westside and others) were typically modeled after the four remaining C-16’s and all in the modern versions.  I have occasionally seen the Kemtrons on ebay.  Hope this helps.

 

Bruce Dunlevy

 


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On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:13 PM Railroadguy1957 via Groups.Io <Railroadguy1957=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

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Mike Mackey
 

Hi Guys,

After a conversation with Larry Smith this week, I was told I needed to sign up for this chat group. I’m friends with Outlaw and Kid Durango so I’m hoping that the rest of you won’t hold that against me!

Larry tells me that since I’ve joined I now need a nickname. I guess this begins the process. 

Thanks,  Mike Mackey, MMR #573

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Lee Gustafson
 

The Kemtron early or intermediate C-16 kit will provide the parts to build a reasonable class 56 2-8-0 but the mechanism will be a challenge if not a significant source of frustration. I believe that is the reason Juan Carlos adapted a Blackstone C-19 mechanism to the Kemtron C-16 superstructure. YMMV.

Lee Gustafson 


On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Bruce Dunlevy <bdunlevy@...> wrote:

Brian,

 

I would suggest (if you can find one) a Kemtron early C-16.  They made kits of the early, intermediate, and modern C-16’s. The later models (Westside and others) were typically modeled after the four remaining C-16’s and all in the modern versions.  I have occasionally seen the Kemtrons on ebay.  Hope this helps.

 

Bruce Dunlevy

 


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Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Brian Kopp
 

Mike I have heard the Kemtron C-16 kits are challenging. That said I solder all the time for my work so maybe I can fumble thru a couple of them if I can find them....

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Brian Kopp
 

Bob (and everyone) are there any good photos to be found of the Class 56 locos? I know the Class 56 (10-24E) drawing is in the Baldwin narrow gauge loco book but I haven't done a deep dive on any of the other D&RG books yet....

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Robert Veefkind
 



In a message dated 9/7/2019 2:22:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, vulturenest1@... writes:

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos
But the tenders were quite a bit lower.    Bob V.

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Mike Conder
 

Those Class 56 locos were very, very similar to the later Class 60 locos that became the C-16's when the D&RG became the D&RGW.  Basically only an inch or two difference in both diameters ... hard to see in HO.

I have the same issue, as I model an area that received three surplus Class 56 locos from the D&RG/RGW/RGS.  I have a couple of Kemtron kits for parts that I am thinking of adding to Westside C-16's, essentially rebuilding the superstructure and using the Kemtron tender.  

JC Zuolaga recently took a Blackstone C-19 and married it to a Kemtron but that took a lot of frame work too.  But it runs a lot better than an old Kemtron (not saying much, a brick sometimes runs better than an old Kemtron!)

Mike Conder

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:30 AM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Ken Martin
 

Brian,

While none of the D&RG class 56’s survived the DSP&P 191 a class 56, did survive and is at the Colorado RR Museum today.

Ken Martin


On Sep 7, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:

Has anybody looked at the C-16s on the market with  the thought of creating one of those first 56,000 pound Baldwin 10-24Es that the D&RG bought? Apparently none survived until reclassification or we might have had a C-14 or 15.......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL.
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Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

Brian Kopp
 

Thanks Bruce. I'll start looking......

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

Re: D&RG early 2-8-0

 

Brian,

 

I would suggest (if you can find one) a Kemtron early C-16.  They made kits of the early, intermediate, and modern C-16’s. The later models (Westside and others) were typically modeled after the four remaining C-16’s and all in the modern versions.  I have occasionally seen the Kemtrons on ebay.  Hope this helps.

 

Bruce Dunlevy

 


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D&RG early 2-8-0

Brian Kopp
 

Has anybody looked at the C-16s on the market with  the thought of creating one of those first 56,000 pound Baldwin 10-24Es that the D&RG bought? Apparently none survived until reclassification or we might have had a C-14 or 15.......

 A little short-lived narrow gauge railroad called the Silver City, Deming and Pacific apparently got 4 of the D&RG 10-24Es right from the factory. The D&RG spec sheet even says  to paint AT&SF on the 4 tenders (The SCD&P was bought by the AT&SF in 1884).

I was thinking about a little HOn3 shelf layout for this 60 mile desert railroad between Silver City and Deming NM. I could put a C-16 on the layout but I would like to find the best one (most early looking one?) to mimic that slightly earlier class.

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL.

For sale Narrow Gauge Books

Doug Boudakian <dboudrrtrain@...>
 

Rio Grande Narrow Gauge in Color vol.2 1960 and beyond . System Demise and Tourist rebirth by Thomas Brunner. Brand new in shrink wrap. $55.

Rio Grande High Side gondolas The versatile gons of the D&RG and D&RGW Narrow Gauge by Stan Rhine. Brand new softbound. Shrunk wrapped. $30.

In Search of Colorado Narrow Gauge 1950-1951 by Robert MacDonald. Softbound. Brand new.125 pages.$15.

Shipping extra. Ship in the USA only. If interested please send private reply.

Doug Boudakian
@Durango

NNGC KIT SALE

lloyd lehrer
 

Original Thomas A. Yorke hon3 kits

Sonora store kit $110
William's market kit $65

DURANGO PRESS 
Drgw water tank  kit $50.

Call or text with your cell #  and I will meet up at the convention.
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Re: 2019 HOn3 Annual Pre-Printing Sale

Russ Norris
 

Thanks.  A quick and easy way to order the Annual.


On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 1:32 PM Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:
Attached is the just released link to the 2019 HOn3 Annual, pre-printing order form. At a reduced price and no shipping.
 Mark Lewis
narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

https://shop.whiteriverproductions.com/products/ho19?fbclid=IwAR1sIKq5dk1fQgF8BgBGk8FLC8NtSE6GQKq3O-7-QS8bi8MBtSaPz8kTmLI


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Re: 2019 HOn3 Annual Pre-Printing Sale

Robert Bell
 

Ordered!  Thank you!

Rob Bell

Convention coverage

Ric Case
 

Russ thanks for the pictures.
Enjoy your trip!
May you find many EBT models!
Ric Case
EBT Modeler
Hamilton Ohio
1-513-375-7694

Re: Modeling for 3D printing

Russ Norris
 

Ric et al, the 39th National Narrow Gauge Convention is under way.  This morning some of us were treated to a private tour of the historic Central Pacific's Sacramento Locomotive Shops where the California State Railroad Museum stores and restores historic locomotives and cars.  Most of the equipment we saw is standard gauge, but there was some narrow gauge steam and logging equipment as well.  Here are a few of the sights.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 4:38 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Gents I have six airbrushes on my spray booth and an air eraser also. 
I have been spraying since the late sixties! Kind of tells my age. The problem is I still nothing but floquil. 
Unfortunately I am slowly running out of some colors. 
Don’t really like the new paints. I will have to use them sometime soon , but right now I have enough (100) plus bottles of floquil to keep me happy! Rattle cans are harder to control layer thickness! 
My resin printed cars Handle the
Petroleum based paint.
Russ keep me posted on how things are going out there.
You can stop by Cincinnati on your way back east lol!

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

I went the quick and dirty route, and used a rattle can of Rustoleum gray primer.  That may have been overkill.  I tend not to use an air brush if I can avoid it.  It's a basic fear of getting the thing set up and working.  I call it peumaphobia.

Russ

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 3:23 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Russ I have found over the years to actually use slightly over size some details so you can still see them after painting! 
I air brush 90plus percent of all my models. That’s how I try to get the feeling of detailing .
Most of my structures are stage prop design. 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 3, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Russ Norris <rbnorrisjr@...> wrote:

On the other hand, as I found in using Archer decal rivets on styrene structures, when you spray paint over the rivets it's hard to make out all that fine detail. 

Russ

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 8:25 PM Ric Case <ebtmodeler@...> wrote:
Gents we have been working on details for the EBT cars we are printing. We can do it with the resin printer s but the pla printer doesn’t give us the ability to print the tiny rivet details for HON3.

Ric 

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Sep 2, 2019, at 10:16 PM, Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

I have been using rivets and NBW detail on many of my 3D models but only for resin printing.   Many are about 1" scale items, haven't really tried smaller.

 I don't think most FDM printers have the resolution to print these successfully.  I've tried it once on some roundhouse doors but it failed.

Mike Conder

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 4:56 PM Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:
For those that have produced models for 3D printing, what are your
thoughts regarding including rivets in the model vs. applying Archer or
Micro Mark rivets after the fact?  If you're in favor of applying rivet
detail to the model prior to printing, how do you approach it to
minimize model size and maximize the quality of the appearance?

Thanks
Bill Lugg




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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/


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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/