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Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Climax@...
 

I am using nce DCC and use two boosters.  One booster is for the HO 7 HOn3 track and the other is dedicated to the 37 Tortoise SM.  So far it has worked out perfectly.
DMB

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Jansky
Sent: Aug 19, 2019 11:32 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Tortoise Power Supply

Very timely thread! I am reaching the point where I am looking at how to do this on my shelf layout. Mark, I hadn't given the method you described much though but I realize it appears to be a nice way to simplify the wiring involved. Any tips on where to find a one amp 12v - 0v - 12v transformer though? I assume, I could also use a pair of identical wall warts with the same setup as shown in option 2 here? Also, do all three lines get a diode? Finally, what LED's do you recommend?

Also, Russ, those touch toggles do look really neat! I will also look into those further.

Thanks,
Brian

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Brian Jansky
 

Very timely thread! I am reaching the point where I am looking at how to do this on my shelf layout. Mark, I hadn't given the method you described much though but I realize it appears to be a nice way to simplify the wiring involved. Any tips on where to find a one amp 12v - 0v - 12v transformer though? I assume, I could also use a pair of identical wall warts with the same setup as shown in option 2 here? Also, do all three lines get a diode? Finally, what LED's do you recommend?

Also, Russ, those touch toggles do look really neat! I will also look into those further.

Thanks,
Brian

Re: NWSL lives!

wayne_h_sanderson
 

Fantastic news! I knew it was too good to die off like that...

NWSL lives!

Mike Conder
 

Pardon the multiple postings, but the good news need to be storage fat and wide ...


NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release (August 19, 2019


NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website. 

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Re: NWSL purchased

Mike Van Hove
 

Hey!
That’s great news.

I’m sorry for the guy has been running NWSL.

I’m sure loosing his wife has been a traumatic event, and I/we all wish him well.

Mike Van Hove

On Aug 19, 2019, at 3:30 PM, hiroechan <hiroechan@...> wrote:

Gents, word on the street is that someone bought NWSL.

 

"Dave here, and I have good news. NWSL released the following today:

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NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release

NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website."


NWSL purchased

hiroechan
 

Gents, word on the street is that someone bought NWSL.

 

"Dave here, and I have good news. NWSL released the following today:

========
NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release

NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website."

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

asandrini
 

Mark,

We usually make sausage at the end of January,  or the first week of February.  We need cold weather, so the meat stays cold.  We make it in my cousin's garage. Not the 3 car garage, but the two car garage that a car has never entered.  It has a 4x10 for table, with a 1" thick seal healing nylon top. It also has a deep sink, stove, refrigerator and a resin coated floor.

When we make the sausage, we leave the garage door open, so it gets very cold.  In fact, you cannot feel your fingers as we cut up the beef and pork for the sausage. 

We did not make it this year, as many had a good supply in their freezers. Hell. We had 50 pounds and were out in October.  

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...>
Date: 8/19/19 10:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Tortoise Power Supply

Al,

Also a great idea, nearly did it myself as it is quite logical. Unusual? Heck this is model railroading- NOTHING makes sense.

Still making great Italian Sausage?

Mark

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Al,

Also a great idea, nearly did it myself as it is quite logical. Unusual? Heck this is model railroading- NOTHING makes sense.

Still making great Italian Sausage?

Mark

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Brian Kopp
 

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In New Zealand, North Yard sells 0.3 mod gear boxes (idler and non-idler that are not from NWSL), worm gears, and STEEL worms. I talked in email with them so they are responsive. Email them for their PDF catalog. Their website needs work.. http://www.northyard.co.nz/

If you need a test track, in England, Digitrains.co.uk has a few Bachrus SA44 saddle sets left (I checked inventory via email and bought one) plus they sell the DCC Concepts rolling road kit that accommodates HOn3.

Just thought some folks might find that info useful....

Brian Kopp
Jacksonville, FL

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Re: Tortoise Power Supply

asandrini
 

Mark,

Great way of doing it.  I am not using panels, but have the schematic in the fascia board of the railroad, with the toggles in front if the turnouts.  As you walk along, you throw the turnouts, without reaching into the scenery, structures and telephone lines.

I added LED lighting to the back side of the fascia, which hangs 1" below the bench work framing, to light the levels below each shelf.


Strange layout, 24 feet long, 6 feet wide. 12" shelf on one side, with a 24" wide shelf on the other.  Three levels with stacked helices on o e end of the room.

Thanks 

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...>
Date: 8/18/19 10:54 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Tortoise Power Supply

I simply used a one amp 12v - 0v - 12v transformer, a couple of diodes 1N4001 (I think) and wired the outputs as 12volts - 0v - MINUS 12 volts. The 0 v is common and goes to one power terminal all the point motors. The two 12 volt supplies are wired either side of a single pole double throw switch with the output going to the other Tortoise power terminal via a pair of reverse wired LED's which automatically lights up the way the turnouts are pointing and can also be used for signalling. I like it because it only uses one wire from the control panel to the Tortoise and none of that fiddly cross wiring at the back of switches. It's option 4 on the Circuitron instruction sheet.

I have 22 switch motors in circuit. Nothing gets even warm.

Mark K
Oxford England.

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Mick Moignard
 

My 43 and their accessory decoders are all powered by the track outputs of my DCC command station.  Track is powered from seperate Boosters.

Mick

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, so please excuse the typos.

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Mark Kasprowicz
 

I simply used a one amp 12v - 0v - 12v transformer, a couple of diodes 1N4001 (I think) and wired the outputs as 12volts - 0v - MINUS 12 volts. The 0 v is common and goes to one power terminal all the point motors. The two 12 volt supplies are wired either side of a single pole double throw switch with the output going to the other Tortoise power terminal via a pair of reverse wired LED's which automatically lights up the way the turnouts are pointing and can also be used for signalling. I like it because it only uses one wire from the control panel to the Tortoise and none of that fiddly cross wiring at the back of switches. It's option 4 on the Circuitron instruction sheet.

I have 22 switch motors in circuit. Nothing gets even warm.

Mark K
Oxford England.

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Mike Conder
 

That would work really well, and could handle 300 Tortoises by my calcs.

Mike Conder

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:35 PM asandrini <asandrini@...> wrote:
Moke,

I have a couple of chargers for old cordless drills.  Amps are plenty, but output is a little high.  Need more than 12 volt output to charge a 12 volt drill. I have a lot of chargers and warts around. 

Have run the switch bus around the railroad and need to check the drop at various positions.  Machines are on two of the three levels, but the run is about 150 feet.

I have an old MRC Control Master X (10), which puts out 5 amps. I could use that, as the railroad is DCC operated.  Might be my best option.


Thanks,

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
Date: 8/18/19 7:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Tortoise Power Supply

Al, Circuitron says that the Tortoise takes 15 mA per unit at stall (I.e., most of the time) with 12V input.  So a 500 mA wall wart should handle about 30 machines safely.

I assume the current needs may go up at lower voltages, or just slower operation as mentioned above.

BTW, a moving Tortoise only requires 4 mA.

Mike Conder

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

asandrini
 

Moke,

I have a couple of chargers for old cordless drills.  Amps are plenty, but output is a little high.  Need more than 12 volt output to charge a 12 volt drill. I have a lot of chargers and warts around. 

Have run the switch bus around the railroad and need to check the drop at various positions.  Machines are on two of the three levels, but the run is about 150 feet.

I have an old MRC Control Master X (10), which puts out 5 amps. I could use that, as the railroad is DCC operated.  Might be my best option.


Thanks,

Al



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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
Date: 8/18/19 7:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Tortoise Power Supply

Al, Circuitron says that the Tortoise takes 15 mA per unit at stall (I.e., most of the time) with 12V input.  So a 500 mA wall wart should handle about 30 machines safely.

I assume the current needs may go up at lower voltages, or just slower operation as mentioned above.

BTW, a moving Tortoise only requires 4 mA.

Mike Conder

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Bill Lugg
 

I built a power supply using two transformers and bridge rectifiers (there might be some other components in there - my Dad, the electrical guru helped me with that) and I tied the + of one to the - of the other like the Tortoise instructions show in diagram 2. So, I've got a common and a + and a - leg coming out of the power supply.  I then run bus wires around the layout similar to the DCC bus, but not twisted.  When finished, I'll have about 55 machines fed from a 12 VDC, 2 amp (guessing here) power supply.  I connect the machines via 20 AWG wire soldered to the bus run to Molex edge connectors at the Tortoises.  I use liquid electrical tape to cover the connections.

HTH
Bill Lugg

On 8/18/19 6:04 PM, asandrini wrote:
Just wondering what power supply people are using to operate their Tortoise machines.

What is the voltage output?
How many amps?
How many machines does your power supply operate? Are you using g more than one power supply.

I am going to have about 40 machines when I am through, unless I convert the ground through turnouts on the lower of three levels. If I did, that would increase the machines bay another 25.

Thanks for the help,

Big Al from Cal

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Mike Conder
 

Al, Circuitron says that the Tortoise takes 15 mA per unit at stall (I.e., most of the time) with 12V input.  So a 500 mA wall wart should handle about 30 machines safely.

I assume the current needs may go up at lower voltages, or just slower operation as mentioned above.

BTW, a moving Tortoise only requires 4 mA.

Mike Conder

Re: Tortoise Power Supply

Russ Norris
 

I also use wall warts, but in conjunction with Touch Toggle controls that give me a colored LED indicator.  I can run up to 8 Tortoise machines with a set of Touch Toggles operating off a single wall wart.  Right now I have 16 machines hooked up this way, and I am starting to tackle the main dual gauge yard that will run another 16 machines using the same method.  I make a simple control panel from an inexpensive picture frame bought at the local craft store.  I print up a copy of the track plan and press in against the inside of the glass. The Touch Toggles are mounted behind the paper track plan with double sided sticky tape. Then I use cotten batting to hold everything tight against the glass and put screw a wooded back on the frame. The frame mounts on the layout fascia and presto!  To throw the switch I touch the light on the panel and magically it changes color as the switch moves. 



On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:09 PM Doc Bond <boomer1944@...> wrote:
I use wall wart's... old cell phone charger, electric shaver, remote landline phone, kids disc player... anything that gives me 9 volts output dc or better. Amps... all less than 1 amp. I use one for each tortoise. I only have four on my layout... all operated from panels on the fascia with toggle switches.

Gordon Spalty


--
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Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://blacklogvalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/

Re: Train room addition

Ric Case
 

Steve how much of the existing back wall will you be removing,or are you going to just mouse holing to get through.

Ric Case 
EBT Modeler 
Hamilton Ohio 
1-513-375-7694

On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> wrote:

Steve,
even tho these messages are in black and white, I want you to know, we are all GREEN with envy over what you are doing.

Keep up the great work!

Thanks for sharing.

Mike Van Hove

On Aug 18, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Steve Hatch <hatch@...> wrote:

I put moved the door from the old wall to the new addition.
Picture:  http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/pics/siding3.jpg

All of the pictures of the build:
http://www.railwayeng.com/9030railroad/pics/addition.html

Steve Hatch