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Re: Back to the Good Scale!

Climax@...
 


CVP was that the small curved lenses?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lautenslager
Sent: Jul 17, 2019 7:31 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: [HOn3] Back to the Good Scale!

Ever since I retired from CVP Products and moved out of Dallas I have been floundering around as to what scale to spend my time in. I have everything from Z scale to G scale and they all that their pros and cons for me. In going thru some boxes the other day I came across one that made me choke up. 
Jim Vail use to call me about every 3 weeks at CVP just to chat and give me hell like only Jim could! He keep bugging me about going into HOn3. I told him I no longer had a motive power but still had lots of rolling stock. The conversation for that day ended from a grunt from Jim. About a month later a box showed up at my house. Inside was an unpainted Westside Models C-25, a painted and re-motored PFM RGS #20 and a factory painted Westside Models C-16 #268 with back head detail and instrument motor ( All sound installed by Jim). He called a few days later and told me I had no excuse now not to be modeling in Hon3 and wished me a happy retirement. It was not too one that he was gone.
Having come across those locos sealed the decision for me. I will be starting on a small HOn3 layout in honor of Jim. Although the only times Jim and I got together were at the conventions we did spend a lot of time on the phone. Conversations that I will remember for a long time. 
Damn I miss those calls.
Regards - Al ( CVP Products retired )

Re: Back to the Good Scale!

Alan Lautenslager
 

No - CVP is the company that put command control on the map when we introduced the CTC16 system in the pages of MR back in the mid 70s. We followed that up with the Railcommand system which was the first all digital system. Then in the late 90s we introduced the EasyDCC system. A few years before I retired I came up with the idea for the AirWire 900 system.

MV I believe was the company doing the curves lenses.

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Oh;  That is like the proto coupler used on their H0 freight cars.  PVC offers that in "S" with a number 5 head.  Yes that will fit where a number 5 does.  And should fit where the H0n3 does but I do not know for sure.
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Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
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Re: Back to the Good Scale!

Climax@...
 

Duaaaaaa, yes you are right, its MV markers.  I should know I probably have a dozen or so installed on Shays and other locomotives.  I was a PFM SSII person with three units on last layout.  I got dragged into DCC while I was working for American Airlines at DFW.  I joined the Texas Western Model RR club and they had all Digitrax.  Not knowing a darn thing about it I got a Chief II set and started reading the books.  If it took a 3 day brake on the railroad I had to reread the book.  I was getting so frustrated with the Digitrax I was about to trash the whole kit and kaboodle  It was then that I went to the Hickory NC NNGC and took my Blackstone K-27, C-16, and concor Goose.  I had never seen them run.  I stopped at Blackstone and asked them to run them explaining my story to them.  They said put them on the track which I did and they handed me their NCE controller.  I just looked at it and said I don't know anything about this and they said see that roller, roll it.  Well son of a gun, my train moved, and made glorious sounds as well.  I liked it so much I purchased an NCE starter set right then and there.  After getting home I had changed the Digitrax out and replaced it with NCE in less than 15 minutes.  All my stuff worked, my Tortoise machines worked with the Switch 8.  I was sold.  The PFM's returned to the closet.  Now I have boosters, two NCE controllers, 6 plug in stations and 37 tortoise SMs all being run by the NCE equipment.  I wanted to run trains, not fiddle with a computer and NCE let me do it.  I have perhaps 300 Brass locomotives all in cases, and all I run now is Blackstone and the CC on the HOn3 and Bachmann Spectrum on the HO which is fine with me.
I do have to say that it was people like you that were the leaders that confused the crap out of people like me.  We were stuck in the DC mind set and got good at it.  Times change and so did the equipment.  I am going up to TN next week to install NCE stations on a buddies large layout as he only uses one station.  I think he will like it much better being able to follow his trains.  Thanks for all your innovative work........and patience with old farts like me. hahhahahaha
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lautenslager
Sent: Jul 17, 2019 8:58 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Back to the Good Scale!

No - CVP is the company that put command control on the map when we introduced the CTC16 system in the pages of MR back in the mid 70s. We followed that up with the Railcommand system which was the first all digital system. Then in the late 90s we introduced the EasyDCC system. A few years before I retired I came up with the idea for the AirWire 900 system.

MV I believe was the company doing the curves lenses.

Re: Back to the Good Scale!

bassb04011
 

AirWire 900 is the single greatest invention in model railroading and I’ll be using it for my On3 layout. I’ve run trains on my friend William Reed’s RR with it and was an absolute pleasure; almost life changing. 
I’ll be going with the Easy DCC system for my small HOn3 layout so I’ll have similarities between the two RRs.
Brian 


On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Alan Lautenslager <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

No - CVP is the company that put command control on the map when we introduced the CTC16 system in the pages of MR back in the mid 70s. We followed that up with the Railcommand system which was the first all digital system. Then in the late 90s we introduced the EasyDCC system. A few years before I retired I came up with the idea for the AirWire 900 system.

MV I believe was the company doing the curves lenses.

Re: Back to the Good Scale!

alsands@...
 

Is Airwire small enough yet fo HOn3?

Alan Perth Western Australia

Re: Back to the Good Scale!

jczul36
 

Al, I spoke to Jim weekly, and I miss him too!
Jim would be very happy to hear you’re modeling in Hon3.  
Regards,
jc


On Jul 17, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Alan Lautenslager <alan.lautenslager@...> wrote:

Ever since I retired from CVP Products and moved out of Dallas I have been floundering around as to what scale to spend my time in. I have everything from Z scale to G scale and they all that their pros and cons for me. In going thru some boxes the other day I came across one that made me choke up. 
Jim Vail use to call me about every 3 weeks at CVP just to chat and give me hell like only Jim could! He keep bugging me about going into HOn3. I told him I no longer had a motive power but still had lots of rolling stock. The conversation for that day ended from a grunt from Jim. About a month later a box showed up at my house. Inside was an unpainted Westside Models C-25, a painted and re-motored PFM RGS #20 and a factory painted Westside Models C-16 #268 with back head detail and instrument motor ( All sound installed by Jim). He called a few days later and told me I had no excuse now not to be modeling in Hon3 and wished me a happy retirement. It was not too one that he was gone.
Having come across those locos sealed the decision for me. I will be starting on a small HOn3 layout in honor of Jim. Although the only times Jim and I got together were at the conventions we did spend a lot of time on the phone. Conversations that I will remember for a long time. 
Damn I miss those calls.
Regards - Al ( CVP Products retired )

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

Shhhh...say nothing. It will go away.

Re: Back to the Good Scale!

lloyd lehrer
 

Tam valley units from deadrail can fit. There is also new bluetooth that was announced at nmra national that is very compact. Have not seen it yet. Just heard it came out. Have not seen any details yet.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 9:20 PM <alsands@...> wrote:
Is Airwire small enough yet fo HOn3?

Alan Perth Western Australia


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lloyd lehrer

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dusty
 

What would happen if you used the short scale head coupler on a Blackstone car. Add your own post farther back to couple closer. Would the 'whiskers' have room to function width wise?

Is the 705 bounce less than the 71x bounce?

I wonder if Kadee had any idea how many people find the Hon3 split coupler bounce annoying.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Richard Johnson
 

I switched over to using Accumate couplers in my hon3.  They fut closer, look more scale and dont bounce, but tis been a few years simce i picked up an hon3 model, i think i had to ream out the center post hole a bit.
Rich johnson

www.RichardSJohnson.net

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From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:21:44 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention
 
What would happen if you used the short scale head coupler on a Blackstone car. Add your own post farther back to couple closer. Would the 'whiskers' have room to function width wise?

Is the 705 bounce less than the 71x bounce?

I wonder if Kadee had any idea how many people find the Hon3 split coupler bounce annoying.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mike Van Hove
 

Why not just bite the bullet, and use Sergent Couplers?

Scale size, easy assembly, they fit, Prototypical operation, and NO Bounce, Slinky Action or whatever you want to call it.

I’ve been using them for several years now, and very satisfied.

No connection to the company, just a satisfied user.

Mike Van Hove

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

What would happen if you used the short scale head coupler on a Blackstone car. Add your own post farther back to couple closer. Would the 'whiskers' have room to function width wise?

Is the 705 bounce less than the 71x bounce?

I wonder if Kadee had any idea how many people find the Hon3 split coupler bounce annoying.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dale Buxton
 

No whisker springs on this car. Its a coil spring at the back end of the coupler, inside a metal loop that fits in slot behind the unique pivot post. It has about 1/32” of in-line play.

A home built pivot post Is certainly an option. But forget about spring loading the coupler if you do this. The as made pivot post is so unique in design that you can’t get the little spring back in behind a simple round pivot post without fully compressing the spring!

Last night I tried to do this many times on a Blackstone boxcar and I simply could not get that little spring in the slot it was supposed to go into!

On the spring bounce issue. This is still an in-line springing system. There is about 1/32” of play at each coupler. So 1/16” play at each car end. I have not mounted any of these yet to test the amount of spring bounce in a train.

Dale B



On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 12:21 Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
What would happen if you used the short scale head coupler on a Blackstone car. Add your own post farther back to couple closer. Would the 'whiskers' have room to function width wise?

Is the 705 bounce less than the 71x bounce?

I wonder if Kadee had any idea how many people find the Hon3 split coupler bounce annoying.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dale Buxton
 

Ditto!

Dale B

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 13:29 Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> wrote:
Why not just bite the bullet, and use Sergent Couplers?

Scale size, easy assembly, they fit, Prototypical operation, and NO Bounce, Slinky Action or whatever you want to call it.

I’ve been using them for several years now, and very satisfied.

No connection to the company, just a satisfied user.

Mike Van Hove

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

What would happen if you used the short scale head coupler on a Blackstone car. Add your own post farther back to couple closer. Would the 'whiskers' have room to function width wise?

Is the 705 bounce less than the 71x bounce?

I wonder if Kadee had any idea how many people find the Hon3 split coupler bounce annoying.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dusty
 

Does this mean that the 705 coupler requires a flat on the back of the pivot post to allow the spring to find 'center'? How does the 242 box accomplish centering? How would the Blackstone pivot accomplish centering?

I can't wait to get some 705's.

Dusty Burman 

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Art D3
 

We'll have to wait a little longer for 705 couplers. Just check Kadee's website (7/18 9:45PM) and they are sold out until Monday 7/22. I guess that Kadee is finding out how annoying the old coupler bounce is!
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Dale Buxton
 

Dusty

Question 1
Yes
Question 2
Don’t know. 242 box is a different animal not seen by these eyes.
Question 3
Already answered in question 1

After all is said and done. I am really glad Kadee has done an updated design. I was long overdue. 

But, now that I have been using Sergents for quite a while now. They are easier for me to assemble and mount.

This new 705 really needs its designed coupler box. Which means my scratch built and Blackstone cars would all need coupler box area surgery to use them.

All a built up Sergent coupler needs is to be dropped in a 714 or 714 clone coupler box. That works for me!

Dale B



On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 19:58 Art D3 <apdutra3@...> wrote:
We'll have to wait a little longer for 705 couplers. Just check Kadee's website (7/18 9:45PM) and they are sold out until Monday 7/22. I guess that Kadee is finding out how annoying the old coupler bounce is!
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Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

Re: Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

Mark Kasprowicz
 

That's a great shame. I had hoped that this would a) retro fit the 714 as a drop in replacement and b) eliminate the 'bounce' altogether. The potential for sales to RailLine and BS owners must surely have been a consideration. But if the conversion involves hacking away bits of an already perferctly good draft box, then I'm afraid I'm not interested.

Lost opportunity IMHO

Mark K

Re: Any narrow gauge news/ coupler bounce is prototypical

roundbell@...
 

If you have actually worked on real railroad cars you realize that "coupler bounce" happens on the real cars. The springing in the coupler draft gear is used to absorb coupling impact both in and out. Each car coupling has some give both in the jaws and in the springs that mount the coupler in the body. The 714 have too much give ( Bounce ) but to be correct models of real couplers they do need some bounce but looking at the 715 in a model looks like it will have no more "bounce" than the real couplers have and if you have the point at the front of the coupler box pin the coupler will center. I think the new coupler will satisfy the people who object to the "bounce" and we will have to see how difficult it is to install in various models.  LocoDoc


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@...>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Any narrow gauge news from the NMRA National Convention

That's a great shame. I had hoped that this would a) retro fit the 714 as a drop in replacement and b) eliminate the 'bounce' altogether. The potential for sales to RailLine and BS owners must surely have been a consideration. But if the conversion involves hacking away bits of an already perferctly good draft box, then I'm afraid I'm not interested.

Lost opportunity IMHO

Mark K

Re: WP&Y pilot

Robert Bell
 

Sean, 
I do not believe that PSC ever offered the pilots separately.  I have two of the "trailing" units and need the plow pilot.  I just recently started to scratch-build one.  
Several years ago on the whitepassfanlist on yahoo, some of the other guys proposed getting PSC to make a run of the plows and to my knowledge nothing happened.
That being said, are you looking for the plow or the trailing pilot?

Rob Bell 
Waynesville, NC 


On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 5:17 PM, Sean
<Cndrsean@...> wrote:

Anybody out there know the PSC number for the HOn3 WP&Y diesel that had the “Switching/yard Pilot” I remember seeing it in the two motors set you could buy when they came out (20years ago+) I bought the single motor but it didn’t come with that additional pilot.
Thx
Sean L McCarthy