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Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Bill Nielsen
 
Edited

Hi Darryl,

My point wasn’t for me to cobble up something on my workbench that probably wouldn’t run that great, but to point out that someone who has the contacts with Bachmann could get the 70 tonner produced by them in ready to run HOn3, with a minimal re-tooling effort (if only Bachmann were willing). Just the trucks (truck, really, since while there are two required for each loco, they would be the same, so only one set of new tools would be needed). Another possibility might be a couple of the Stanton Drive type trucks from NWSL, if they could be tooled up in HOn3. ConCor also had trucks in HOn3 for their trolley car and RGS Goose, so most of the tooling has already been done before.

Bill in FtL


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Russ Norris
 

I like it!  Great idea!

Russ



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-------- Original message --------
From: "kevin b via Groups.Io" <arcatruck13@...>
Date: 12/10/18 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

just a thought, triggered by the post below:

wonder what would happen if some of us old geezers went to our local middle or high schools and asked the teachers to pass the word around anyone interested in starting their own model railroad come to room (whatever) after class and have a talk etc.
maybe have a few pictures or whatever to show and so on.

I doubt more than 5 or 10 would show up, who knows? might be more.
but, if just 1 showed up and we took the time to show what it's all about, maybe offer to help them build a kit or just anything to get 'em started, would it maybe help make a new model railroader?

I reckon I can find an hour or two a week to, what's the word.... "mentor?" a little bit.

anyway, just a thought.
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We need to approach the spread of HO/HOn3 as a history lesson for our youth.  Bring them in as a study of certain segments of the hobby.  Get their interest started in some small way by building something and then watch them take off on what they do.
Dave


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Paul Sturtz
 

The three 6-axle 70t GEs built for US Potash (the only narrow gauge GE70t built for a US road) would be ideal.  With 6 whl. pickup/drive, it would be a sweet runner and a US prototype as well.  With DCC and sound, I bet they would sell very well.  Unfortunately, the photo won't upload.


Low cost HOn3

Darryl Huffman
 

This week, a new Grandtline HOn3 boxcar diesel sold for $48 on eBay.

MDC/Roundhouse H0n3 2-8-0 kits sell for under $100.

MDC HOn3 shays are available for under $100 on eBay as well

How cheap is cheap?


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

kevin b
 

just a thought, triggered by the post below:

wonder what would happen if some of us old geezers went to our local middle or high schools and asked the teachers to pass the word around anyone interested in starting their own model railroad come to room (whatever) after class and have a talk etc.
maybe have a few pictures or whatever to show and so on.

I doubt more than 5 or 10 would show up, who knows? might be more.
but, if just 1 showed up and we took the time to show what it's all about, maybe offer to help them build a kit or just anything to get 'em started, would it maybe help make a new model railroader?

I reckon I can find an hour or two a week to, what's the word.... "mentor?" a little bit.

anyway, just a thought.
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We need to approach the spread of HO/HOn3 as a history lesson for our youth.  Bring them in as a study of certain segments of the hobby.  Get their interest started in some small way by building something and then watch them take off on what they do.
Dave


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Mark Lewis
 

Darryl:

Well stated.....

Mark Lewis


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Climax@...
 

We need to approach the spread of HO/HOn3 as a history lesson for our youth.  Bring them in as a study of certain segments of the hobby.  Get their interest started in some small way by building something and then watch them take off on what they do.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "Darryl Huffman via Groups.Io"
Sent: Dec 10, 2018 3:49 PM
To: "HOn3@groups.io"
Subject: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

I had a hobby shop in 1973.

Slot car tracks were all the rage and everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

Radio control airplanes were just taking off.  Everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

The Gazette had not published issue number 1 yet.

Just think of all the wonderful kits and locomotives and sound systems we have seen introduced in the intervening 45 years.

What a great hobby and how wonderful it has been to be alive to enjoy all the new stuff.

I'm looking forward to the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento next Fall.

I guess if the hobby is dead then I will be the only one there.
 
Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:

http://ghosttownmodels.blogspot.com

and

www.GhostTownModels.com

Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Russ Norris
 

Ed, you reminded me that in the early 1970s I bought a brass FED 2-6-0 I saw in a hobby shop window for $40.   I still have it.  It has the motor in the tender, but it ran (and runs) pretty well after nearly 50 years.  My first expensive engine was a Hallmark EBT 2-8-2 that I bought from a fellow EBT fan for $300  some 20 years ago.   It's still one of my best runners.

Russ Norris



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ed Tibbetts <tippytib@...>
Date: 12/10/18 5:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

I migrated from HO to HOn3 at age 16 in 1960. Bought a PFM C&S 2-6-0 #22 for $34.00. In the late 1960's and early 1970's C16, C19, C25, K28 for $50 to $85. Then I got a "high quality" PFM K27 for $370. When I look at inflation, these engines would be much more expensive today. The K27 was/is my last brass loco. I have a MDC 2-8-0 kit from 1979. It's on the bench, a work in progress, but it's been months since I worked on it. Not a high priority.


Attracting new kids

Darryl Huffman
 

Begin by scheduling the Narrow Gauge Convention on dates good for school age kids to attend.

See this link:



 
Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Ed Tibbetts
 

I migrated from HO to HOn3 at age 16 in 1960. Bought a PFM C&S 2-6-0 #22 for $34.00. In the late 1960's and early 1970's C16, C19, C25, K28 for $50 to $85. Then I got a "high quality" PFM K27 for $370. When I look at inflation, these engines would be much more expensive today. The K27 was/is my last brass loco. I have a MDC 2-8-0 kit from 1979. It's on the bench, a work in progress, but it's been months since I worked on it. Not a high priority.


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Russ Norris
 

I'm thinking something really spectacular that catches the imagination of large numbers of people -- like the train display I remember in the NYC Citicorp building that ran through the holiday season and attracted hundreds of thousands of adults and children.  The NMRA's HUB division recently contracted with Boston's Museum of Science to build and operate a similar multi-scale display that is drawing overflow crowds to see what model railroading is all about.  Think outside the box.

Russ Norris



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Date: 12/10/18 4:48 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

I'm thinking we need to turn our model railroad preservationist focus away from the some 200 million Americans who for whatever reasons could never be active model railroaders and turn toward those with the aptitudes, talents and other personal attributes that fit with creative modeling activities.  If we're talking 1 in 1000 that's 200,000 people.
We're not doing a very good job now if the current level of our activities is any indicator.  It's like taking little kids to a car museum where the most exciting thing happening is the falling of dust particles. We need to have a better idea of what works to attract new model railroaders to active hobby participation. You've heard enough of specific ideas and paths from Ed Weldon.  How about the rest of us getting some positive thinking going? 


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

lloyd lehrer
 

Steven, you must not know Darryl.  He has a snid dry wonderfully sarcastic sense of humor and all that he wrote was intended that way.  Get a yellow tee shirt that says "I'm not Darryl" (not so private Joke).
lloyd lehrer, MANHATTAN BEACH, CA (310)951-9097


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:12 PM Steven Haworth <haworth7@...> wrote:
Nonsense - the hobby is booming.  The number of craftsman kit manufacturers and details boggles the mind.  RPM meets are growing every year. The online communities, including a ton of hobby-specific groups on forums, YouTube, Facebook, etc are exploding. Podcasts are exploding - so many I can't find the time to keep up with listening, even listening daily on my commute. YouTube also - far more videos than anyone could keep up with.

Locally (at least here in the Chicago area), there's more layouts running op sessions - amazing, beautiful layouts - than I can possibly find time even to visit.

Hobby shops probably are declining, but sales online (and also research and sharing) are exploding.
Hobby ain't dead.  :-)


- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:49 PM Darryl Huffman via Groups.Io <darrylhuffman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I had a hobby shop in 1973.

Slot car tracks were all the rage and everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

Radio control airplanes were just taking off.  Everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

The Gazette had not published issue number 1 yet.

Just think of all the wonderful kits and locomotives and sound systems we have seen introduced in the intervening 45 years.

What a great hobby and how wonderful it has been to be alive to enjoy all the new stuff.

I'm looking forward to the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento next Fall.

I guess if the hobby is dead then I will be the only one there.
 
Darryl Huffman

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:


and


Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.


--
lloyd lehrer


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

 

I'm thinking we need to turn our model railroad preservationist focus away from the some 200 million Americans who for whatever reasons could never be active model railroaders and turn toward those with the aptitudes, talents and other personal attributes that fit with creative modeling activities.  If we're talking 1 in 1000 that's 200,000 people.
We're not doing a very good job now if the current level of our activities is any indicator.  It's like taking little kids to a car museum where the most exciting thing happening is the falling of dust particles. We need to have a better idea of what works to attract new model railroaders to active hobby participation. You've heard enough of specific ideas and paths from Ed Weldon.  How about the rest of us getting some positive thinking going? 


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Steven Haworth
 

Nonsense - the hobby is booming.  The number of craftsman kit manufacturers and details boggles the mind.  RPM meets are growing every year. The online communities, including a ton of hobby-specific groups on forums, YouTube, Facebook, etc are exploding. Podcasts are exploding - so many I can't find the time to keep up with listening, even listening daily on my commute. YouTube also - far more videos than anyone could keep up with.

Locally (at least here in the Chicago area), there's more layouts running op sessions - amazing, beautiful layouts - than I can possibly find time even to visit.

Hobby shops probably are declining, but sales online (and also research and sharing) are exploding.
Hobby ain't dead.  :-)


- Steve Haworth
RGS history - http://www.rgsrr.info/
Blog - http://rgsrr.blogspot.com/               FB - https://www.facebook.com/stevesrgs/


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:49 PM Darryl Huffman via Groups.Io <darrylhuffman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I had a hobby shop in 1973.

Slot car tracks were all the rage and everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

Radio control airplanes were just taking off.  Everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

The Gazette had not published issue number 1 yet.

Just think of all the wonderful kits and locomotives and sound systems we have seen introduced in the intervening 45 years.

What a great hobby and how wonderful it has been to be alive to enjoy all the new stuff.

I'm looking forward to the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento next Fall.

I guess if the hobby is dead then I will be the only one there.
 
Darryl Huffman

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:


and


Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.


Re: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Russ Norris
 

See you in Sacramento, Darryl......

😉   Russ Norris


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Darryl Huffman via Groups.Io" <darrylhuffman@...>
Date: 12/10/18 3:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

I had a hobby shop in 1973.

Slot car tracks were all the rage and everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

Radio control airplanes were just taking off.  Everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

The Gazette had not published issue number 1 yet.

Just think of all the wonderful kits and locomotives and sound systems we have seen introduced in the intervening 45 years.

What a great hobby and how wonderful it has been to be alive to enjoy all the new stuff.

I'm looking forward to the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento next Fall.

I guess if the hobby is dead then I will be the only one there.
 
Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:

http://ghosttownmodels.blogspot.com

and

www.GhostTownModels.com

Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Darryl Huffman
 

Bill,

I'm sure there have been articles published about converting HO standard gauge diesel mechanisms to HOn3.
 
Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:

http://ghosttownmodels.blogspot.com

and

www.GhostTownModels.com

Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.



From: Bill Nielsen <wrangler@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

The Bachmann HO GE 70 ton switcher would be an ideal starting point for a low cost HOn3 loco. The only new tooling needed would be for new 3’ gauge trucks (Bachmann has already tooled up at least two different versions of these trucks for their standard HO gauge model). According to the web, the prototype loco was offered in meter gauge and 5’3”  wide gauge, as well as American standard gauge. The most logical approach would be for Blackstone to arrange with Bachmann to build a narrow gauge version of the 70 tonner which they could then market to all those HOn3 modelers who are patiently waiting in line for a good running, DCC equipped, affordable locomotive. Adding DCC keep alive circuitry would make it irresistible.

Bill in FtL


Dark clouds? Death of the hobby? was Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

Darryl Huffman
 

I had a hobby shop in 1973.

Slot car tracks were all the rage and everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

Radio control airplanes were just taking off.  Everyone was forecasting the doom of the model railroad hobby.

The Gazette had not published issue number 1 yet.

Just think of all the wonderful kits and locomotives and sound systems we have seen introduced in the intervening 45 years.

What a great hobby and how wonderful it has been to be alive to enjoy all the new stuff.

I'm looking forward to the Narrow Gauge Convention in Sacramento next Fall.

I guess if the hobby is dead then I will be the only one there.
 
Darryl Huffman
darrylhuffman@...

You can follow my model building career on my blog at:

http://ghosttownmodels.blogspot.com

and

www.GhostTownModels.com

Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Bill Nielsen
 

The Bachmann HO GE 70 ton switcher would be an ideal starting point for a low cost HOn3 loco. The only new tooling needed would be for new 3’ gauge trucks (Bachmann has already tooled up at least two different versions of these trucks for their standard HO gauge model). According to the web, the prototype loco was offered in meter gauge and 5’3”  wide gauge, as well as American standard gauge. The most logical approach would be for Blackstone to arrange with Bachmann to build a narrow gauge version of the 70 tonner which they could then market to all those HOn3 modelers who are patiently waiting in line for a good running, DCC equipped, affordable locomotive. Adding DCC keep alive circuitry would make it irresistible.

Bill in FtL


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Mike Conder
 

My dad was in model railroading, so I have done of his MR magazines going back to the early '60's.  I do remember an editorial and/or letter to the editor or two that complained about the doing hobby and that it'd be long gone by 1980 or 1990 or so.  

Obviously not ....

Mike Conder

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:33 PM Sean <Cndrsean@...> wrote:
I don’t know you Ed, but well said. 



On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:49, Climax@... wrote:

And its cold outside too!  Time for some Irish Coffee!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Sent: Dec 10, 2018 1:48 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

What a bunch of dark clouds this morning! 


Re: Low Cost HOn3?

Sean
 

I don’t know you Ed, but well said. 



On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:49, Climax@... wrote:

And its cold outside too!  Time for some Irish Coffee!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...>
Sent: Dec 10, 2018 1:48 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Low Cost HOn3?

What a bunch of dark clouds this morning! 

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