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Re: #18

lloyd lehrer
 

Mr. Cohen is right. They were 70 tonners.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 9:20 PM lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
Jim, several years ago, maybe 6-8 yrs, there was a spread done by one of the northwest logging fans. He took a SG 44 and ground down the gears and axles and wrote it up. It was one of the Hauff brothers I believe. I am out of the country for the next few weeks so i cant look thru my archives.

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 5:40 PM Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:
Paul/anyone,
  What did you do to convert a standard gauge 44 tonner to narrow gauge -
specifically what did you use for the drive components?

  I'm seriously thinking about two different GE critter projects.
  The first is C&TS #19 which is a GE 45 tonner drop cab.
  The second one is the Pacific Lumber standard gauge #101
which is a Super 88 which, to the best of my knowledge, has
never been done in any scale other than S (scratch/kitbash
by one guy).  I intend to start with two 70-tonners. 
                                                                                      - Jim B. 


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lloyd lehrer

Re: #18

Paul Sturtz
 

This subject comes up every now and then.  Yes, there was an article in RMC July 2008 by the Hauff brothers on how to convert Bachman 70t std gauge diesels to HOn3.  It involved cutting the truck gear boxes shorter in order to fit NWSL wheel/axles.  These were specially made for the Hauffs at first but became a catalog item from NWSL.  They are no longer made but sometimes may be found in the stash of modelers who never got around to using them.  In addition, Bachmann changed the design of the 70t (and 44t) trucks so even if you have the wheel/axle kit, you have to find the old style diesel.  

I have converted 38 Bachmann 70t and 44t to HOn3.  I sold all but three and those remaining have sound installed.  Due to differences in gearing, the 44t didn't run as well as the 70t so I only converted two of them.  I have posted photos in the past but I'm not sure if they made the move to this site.

Paul Sturtz

Re: #18

ckodani@...
 

Wow, just recently there was a similar question on the HOn30 board! The solution is really easy in 2.5 foot gauge: find a suitable N scale drive, cut down the HO diesel shell to appropriate width, and presto—narrow gauge critter that runs great! I think it might even cost less to buy an N scale drive than trying to convert an HO drive mechanism to HOn3. 

Re: #18

lloyd lehrer
 

Paul, any adjustments you learned from all those installs you are willing to  expand upon? 

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 9:47 PM Paul Sturtz <apa_208@...> wrote:
This subject comes up every now and then.  Yes, there was an article in RMC July 2008 by the Hauff brothers on how to convert Bachman 70t std gauge diesels to HOn3.  It involved cutting the truck gear boxes shorter in order to fit NWSL wheel/axles.  These were specially made for the Hauffs at first but became a catalog item from NWSL.  They are no longer made but sometimes may be found in the stash of modelers who never got around to using them.  In addition, Bachmann changed the design of the 70t (and 44t) trucks so even if you have the wheel/axle kit, you have to find the old style diesel.  

I have converted 38 Bachmann 70t and 44t to HOn3.  I sold all but three and those remaining have sound installed.  Due to differences in gearing, the 44t didn't run as well as the 70t so I only converted two of them.  I have posted photos in the past but I'm not sure if they made the move to this site.

Paul Sturtz


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lloyd lehrer

Re: #18

Randy Hees
 

The two Hawaiian engines on the Cumbres & Toltec are a steel mill design with the trucks coupled under the locomotive... not separate trucks as used on a 44 ton. 

Randy Hees

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:40 AM Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:
Paul/anyone,
  What did you do to convert a standard gauge 44 tonner to narrow gauge -
specifically what did you use for the drive components?

  I'm seriously thinking about two different GE critter projects.
  The first is C&TS #19 which is a GE 45 tonner drop cab.
  The second one is the Pacific Lumber standard gauge #101
which is a Super 88 which, to the best of my knowledge, has
never been done in any scale other than S (scratch/kitbash
by one guy).  I intend to start with two 70-tonners. 
                                                                                      - Jim B. 

Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Lee Sorensen
 

He was running the DP units with a cheap power (dc) supply and they were crawling. It appears as though the workmanship is great. Additional cost of 150 or so for DCC by another person recommended by DP

Lee Sorensen

Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Jim Spencer
 

Lee, did you happen to take photos of these, presumably, DP pilot models?  Can you share?

Thanks,
Jim

On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Lee Sorensen <narrowminded2@...> wrote:

He was running the DP units with a cheap power (dc) supply and they were crawling. It appears as though the workmanship is great. Additional cost of 150 or so for DCC by another person recommended by DP

Lee Sorensen

James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 





Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Jim Spencer
 

Thanks Dave for the info.  Actually I have met the LocoDoc in Salida at his store and shop.  And I am aware of his kits, etc to upgrade those models.  He didn’t actually have a review of the Overland K-36s.  But draws a comparison  with the more recent PSCs.  

My three Overlands are truly sweet runners.  So no need to do anything except lube them.

But again, thanks for the reminder of this source.

Jim

On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Dave Trimble <dtrimble@...> wrote:

Jim,

If you are concerned about running characteristics, I suggest you review locodoc’s list of proven hon3 conversion for some insight on potential problems with many models. It’s found at 

Dave Trimble 

James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 





Re: #18

rick@...
 

Randy,

Correct. Here is a pic from 1993 of the coupling.

Rick

The two Hawaiian engines on the Cumbres & Toltec are a steel mill design
with the trucks coupled under the locomotive... not separate trucks as
used on a 44 ton.

Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Mark Kasprowicz
 

I have two Division Point models; K-28 #474 and K-27 #461. Both are excellent slow speed crawlers. They are just about to have their third decoder swap after LC 90's, TSU 1's and now TSU 2 Steam 2's. The 474 came with headlight, class lights, number box lights as  well as a cab light, plus of course the back up light. Getting those wires into the boiler and across to the tender was 'challenging' shall we say so I hate taking it apart but... 

MMI had a great idea for their K-27, they engineered a decoder slot into the boiler, not sure if it can be done in brass, the MMI has a cast boiler!

I haven't ordered a DP 36 as I have five - Westside, Fuji and PSC, with another on order from BS. I quite like the Westside 'coreless' once the wimpy motor is swapped out for a Mashima which are now getting really hard to find.  While for me 2002 run PSC is the 'mutt nuts' I am certain the DP ones will be stunners.

BTW, the D&S is planning to run trains from Durango to Silverton from the 21st. They've been operating out of Rockwood since the mud slides on Hermosa Hill on the 24th July. The main slide which left a drop of 50 feet is almost filled and now has two eight foot culverts to divert away the water.  We're expecting the first test runs this weekend. Fingers crossed!

Mark K
Durango CO

Re: Assembling the Revised Roundhouse HOn3 OSF 2-8-0

Robert Bell
 

Very cool!  


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:52 PM, NarrowMinded1
<nathan.kline83@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Visit my Tiadaghton Valley RR website and check out the recent blog post and the new page titled "Assembling the revised Roundhouse HOn3 OSF 2-8-0" at <https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/>. Thanks in advance for looking.
--
Nathan M. Kline
McConnellsburg, PA 17233

Old Sundance calendars

veronifamily
 

Folks have a lot of old Sundance calendars for sale on E bay with great photos of the narrow gauge and locomotives I invite you to take a look thanks

Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Lee Sorensen
 

Jim

Re: Hon3 DP pilot models.

Sorry, did not think to take photos. They looked very nice and ran very well but to exact specifications, I’m not fluent enough to opine.

 

He was there to take orders, but did not have an exact delivery date. He guessed at $2,200/engine. Since he did not have a firm order in for quantity pricing was to be announced later.

 

Lee Sorensen

 

From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Spencer
Sent: September 12, 2018 5:32 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 #487 in HOn3

 

Lee, did you happen to take photos of these, presumably, DP pilot models?  Can you share?

 

Thanks,

Jim



On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Lee Sorensen <narrowminded2@...> wrote:

 

He was running the DP units with a cheap power (dc) supply and they were crawling. It appears as though the workmanship is great. Additional cost of 150 or so for DCC by another person recommended by DP

Lee Sorensen

 

James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 

 

 



 

Liquitex Ceramic Stucco

Dusty
 

Today while Estate Sailing I picked up an 8oz container of this stuff. Like thick texture paint. Does anyone have a modeling experience using this stuff or a similar material? Does it have a modeling application.

Thanks,
Dusty Burman 

Re: #18

John Stutz
 

The coupled trucks that Randy mentions were a high traction design that reduced slipping of the leading wheels on each truck, by preventing the truck frames from rocking back under traction loads. The Oahu 45(?) ton GEs also had this feature. The C&T 19 may have been ex Oahu, and I think one operated at Georgetown Loop for a while.

GE also offered a similar 3-axle, 10' wheelbase, version of these trucks under their 70 ton engines. These trucks extended beyond the body and incorporated the couplers and end platforms. About 2 dozen of this version provided the first generation diesel road service on the Chilean meter(39.37") gauge lines, in the 1950's, before they started purchasing conventional road switchers.

John Stutz

On 09/12/2018 02:21 PM, Randy Hees wrote:
The two Hawaiian engines on the Cumbres & Toltec are a steel mill design with the trucks coupled under the locomotive... not separate trucks as used on a 44 ton.
Randy Hees

Re: K-36 #487 in HOn3

Jim Spencer
 

Lee, thank you.  I have later found out that there is one photo and some YouTube videos on the Division Point website of both the K-36 and K-37 pilot models pulling trains.  
Jim

On Sep 13, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Lee Sorensen <narrowminded2@...> wrote:

Jim
Re: Hon3 DP pilot models.
Sorry, did not think to take photos. They looked very nice and ran very well but to exact specifications, I’m not fluent enough to opine. 
 
He was there to take orders, but did not have an exact delivery date. He guessed at $2,200/engine. Since he did not have a firm order in for quantity pricing was to be announced later.
 
Lee Sorensen
 
From: HOn3@groups.io [mailto:HOn3@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Spencer
Sent: September 12, 2018 5:32 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 #487 in HOn3
 
Lee, did you happen to take photos of these, presumably, DP pilot models?  Can you share?
 
Thanks,
Jim


On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Lee Sorensen <narrowminded2@...> wrote:
 
He was running the DP units with a cheap power (dc) supply and they were crawling. It appears as though the workmanship is great. Additional cost of 150 or so for DCC by another person recommended by DP

Lee Sorensen 
 
James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 
 
 


 


James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 





Re: Liquitex Ceramic Stucco

John Stutz
 

Dusty

This is basically a filled Acrylic Mat Medium, with drying characteristics similar to other Acrylic paints or mediums. The filler is probably similar to what is used in conventional stucco. It is intended for use by artists to build thick 3-D surfaces that retain some flexibility and accept a wide variety of paints. Won't be too useful for rock casting, as the surface against the mold will be the last to dry. May be best to think of it as a fine grained version of the Acrylic paint and sawdust mix that some advocate using as a scenery filler.

John Stutz

On 09/13/2018 11:15 AM, Dusty wrote:
Today while Estate Sailing I picked up an 8oz container of this stuff. Like thick texture paint. Does anyone have a modeling experience using this stuff or a similar material? Does it have a modeling application.
Thanks,
Dusty Burman

Trying again: Assembling the Revised Roundhouse OSF 2-8-0

NarrowMinded1
 
Edited

Trying again since I was informed the link in the original message was not working...

Visit my Tiadaghton Valley RR website and check out the recent blog post and the new page titled "Assembling the revised Roundhouse HOn3 OSF 2-8-0" at https://www.tiadaghtonvalleyrr.com/. Thanks in advance for looking.
--
Nathan M. Kline
McConnellsburg, PA 17233

Re: #18

Paul Sturtz
 

Not sure I understand the question.  There is a fine line in cutting the gearbox; too much and it can be ruined.  Too little and there isn't enough clearance for the new smaller wheels.  Many of the Bachmann axle gears are split and must be fixed.  I used washers cut from aluminum tubing and press fit on the axles,  The photo shows what I did.  The LED on the cab end must be shortened if you lower the cab.  Not difficult but easy to mess up.  Hope this helps.
Paul Sturtz

Re: #18

Paul Sturtz
 

That's why I lettered it as a GE demonstrator or a unit leased from GE.  That way it fits on any narrow gauge layout.
Paul Sturtz